No, but they’re far deadlier than a knife. If someone goes out into a crowd and start stabbing… He/she will be restrained and severely beaten after I get the first or second guy… If said person goes out with a pump action shotgun they will get 4-5 guys prior to reloading wherein someone can restrain the attacker
We have a problem with youth delinquency/knives here, unfortunately we do have fatalities in response to youth violence (some of the beatings are beyond savage)
You can’t compare a knife, lead pipe or slingshot with an AR-15
It most certainly would, just because we don’t have a lot of gun violence (although the rate of deaths from beatings here vs gun violence in America probably pales in comparison even when adjusted for populace) doesn’t mean gang/youth related violence is acceptable. More needs to be done about the youth problem here… I’d hypothesise a large portion of it is environmental in nature. Certain toxic societal attitudes may be present within these communities and/or the youth may just be bored… Either way, this isn’t acceptable, when I’m bored I don’t go out robbing and beating people. Such behavior threatens the humane nature/ethical dynamics of society and needs to be stopped
This is mostly cherry picking. Plenty of unarmed people have successfully subdued gunmen. Knife attacks have killed a ton of people, as well.
Alright, let’s take knife killings in the UK (also problem with youth delinquency, in 2017-2018 there were 285…)
You can’t compare the sheer numbers dying from guns vs knifes/beatings… because guns are considerably more deadly than bare hands/a knife, wrench or whatever improvised weapon is used.
This falls alongside with the guns don’t kill people, people kill people argument that I disagree with. Firearms were (correctly me if I’m wrong) initially developed for use in war. Not for people to collect or shoot targets with. They were designed to hurt people…
Within all the mass shootings that have occured recently, how many gunmen have been subdued? Is it the majority or a very small minority.
It’s been awesome debating with everyone, hearing different opinions… but this has gotten super off topic (the conversation began to devolve naturally around post 150).
We can continue this convo on my war on drugs thread (anyone is welcome) if you wish. I don’t mind talking about other subtopics on said thread. We haven’t gotten permission from samul to talk about gun control on this thread.
This is a very difficult thing to measure, because you have to find events that were not mass shootings, but could have been.
Someone is probably trying to keep track of it somewhere, but you won’t find it on the FBI Uniform Crime Report.
The same is true for many, if not most, instances of self defense with or without weapons. Averted outcomes are not something that get measured well. We’ve tried, and even the most conservative estimates put defensive firearm use at least on par if not far, far exceeding the instances of criminal firearms uses.
This was confirmed as recently as an Obama era CDC study.
Sorry my friend, guns don’t kill people, bullets do> 
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Drunk driving hasn’t killed yet. Drunk crashing has. Maybe it should just be a penalty if you drunk crash?
If you’re sober and the other driver is drunk, maybe you should be penalized for not being able to avoid someone who was impaired. I mean, he has an excuse, what’s yours?