$15 to Flip a Burger

Off Topic Politics & World Issues
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[quote]Facepalm_Death wrote:

[quote]USMCpoolee wrote:

[quote]Facepalm_Death wrote:

[quote]countingbeans wrote:

[quote]H factor wrote:

[quote]countingbeans wrote:

[quote]H factor wrote:
If these people think they can improve their job I have no idea why it’s laughable.

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Because they think their labor is worth $15 an hour. That is laughable.

They flip burgers FFS. I barely made more than that when I started at a professional firm after getting a degree. [/quote]

They are probably aiming high like any attempted negotiation does. What in your opinion is the magic amount they should think their labor is worth? And why are we against them trying to improve that amount? [/quote]

Their relative lack of skill (they flip burgers here) is more likely than not worth less than the $7.25 they make.

Their labor is worth what the market will pay for it. [/quote]

Truthfully though, “flipping burgers” or more generally working in the kitchen is harder than it seems. A lot of the work is very dirty and labor intensive. There aren’t high skill requirements, but other people don’t want to do it, specifically people would rather work as cashiers than do the dirty work for the same pay.

In high school I worked at Target in the backroom and we made 2$/hour more than cashiers because our work was more labor intensive; less people wanted to do it in favor of working registers or doing sales floor duty.

I’m not saying minimum wage should be higher. But if all employees in a certain setting have the same wage, and some have harder work than others, I’m not surprised this kind of thing happens

Edit: A better situation would be if minimum wage were actually lower, and the more labor intensive work paid above minimum wage[/quote]

I agree with you’re last line, however saying working in a kitchen is labor is just false. It may be dirty hot work, but that shit is not a labor job, as evidenced by the pay.

Also, where I live 15/hr is what they start SKILLED trade apprentices/greenhorns…[/quote]

Fair enough, cooking itself is not labor, however the people working the kitchen have to clean it up too meaning they’re hauling out all the lard and garbage at the end of the night, cleaning all the appliances and utensils etc. It is more labor intensive than working the register. While not labor intensive, I believe many minimum wage jobs are even LESS labor intensive than working the kitchen, which was the basis of my main point[/quote]

WTF , cooking is not labor ?

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[quote]USMCpoolee wrote:

I got you man. Im just saying there a degrees of labor and to call a restaurant job labor is a misnomer. The job may involve labor but it isn’t a labor job. Sorry for nitpicking, I just had this discussion with a friend who said serving drinks is labor…[/quote]

You shouldn’t be nitpicking because you are incorrect. It is wage labour, just not manual labour.

If you are employed it is labour.

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I don’t get it , the so called right wants working class people to work for a living and live below a standard of people that do not work for a living and be happy about it . They want people that need employees to run their business to be subsidized by American tax payers . I don’t get how there is any aspect of that , that is conservative

In a perfect world you would be able to live on a pay check , to a standard above poverty . Business that could not afford workers would have none and business that understood proper employment practices would flourish

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[quote]MaximusB wrote:
Some news coming from these so-called protests here…

Many of the protesters here are not even fast-food workers, many turned out to be teachers.

What a fucking joke. [/quote]

teamsters are also backing these strikes

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Anyone here is welcome to start their own business and pay their employees a “living wage.” I don’t know who said it before, but 31k is well above a fair living wage, my budget is at a little over 15k per year and I don’t want for anything. IMO, I don’t think it’s wise to change your pricing structure due to a sudden massive increase in overhead that isn’t going to result in more profit.

When the time comes for me to hire an assistant in my practice I’ll certainly pour over the books and estimate the increased workload I can take on with an assistant. After that I will hire someone for a wage that results in me profiting off of their work. That’s not riding their back or whatever, that’s being an employer. Don’t spend money if it doesn’t make you money.

I wonder if anything is going to come from this. On one hand I can see McDonalds giving a 50 cent or so raise to appease these people. But, on the other, I could easily see them just firing all the protesters, because at the end of the day their job has little value.

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http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=50135408n

I am not sure how many saw this, It would be applicable in many threads on this board but the final study on older children is what I want to point out . I guess it could be a form of bias but some people do not care about how much they get just that they get more than others .

Psychology has always interested me . And I am curious if this could be the reasoning of what makes some one as we call it a so called Liberal or Conservative

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[quote]CroatianRage wrote:
Anyone here is welcome to start their own business and pay their employees a “living wage.” I don’t know who said it before, but 31k is well above a fair living wage, my budget is at a little over 15k per year and I don’t want for anything. IMO, I don’t think it’s wise to change your pricing structure due to a sudden massive increase in overhead that isn’t going to result in more profit.

When the time comes for me to hire an assistant in my practice I’ll certainly pour over the books and estimate the increased workload I can take on with an assistant. After that I will hire someone for a wage that results in me profiting off of their work. That’s not riding their back or whatever, that’s being an employer. Don’t spend money if it doesn’t make you money.

I wonder if anything is going to come from this. On one hand I can see McDonalds giving a 50 cent or so raise to appease these people. But, on the other, I could easily see them just firing all the protesters, because at the end of the day their job has little value.[/quote]

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[quote]pittbulll wrote:

[quote]CroatianRage wrote:
Anyone here is welcome to start their own business and pay their employees a “living wage.” I don’t know who said it before, but 31k is well above a fair living wage, my budget is at a little over 15k per year and I don’t want for anything. IMO, I don’t think it’s wise to change your pricing structure due to a sudden massive increase in overhead that isn’t going to result in more profit.

When the time comes for me to hire an assistant in my practice I’ll certainly pour over the books and estimate the increased workload I can take on with an assistant. After that I will hire someone for a wage that results in me profiting off of their work. That’s not riding their back or whatever, that’s being an employer. Don’t spend money if it doesn’t make you money.

I wonder if anything is going to come from this. On one hand I can see McDonalds giving a 50 cent or so raise to appease these people. But, on the other, I could easily see them just firing all the protesters, because at the end of the day their job has little value.[/quote]

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What’s the point of this?

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[quote]CroatianRage wrote:

[quote]pittbulll wrote:

[quote]CroatianRage wrote:
Anyone here is welcome to start their own business and pay their employees a “living wage.” I don’t know who said it before, but 31k is well above a fair living wage, my budget is at a little over 15k per year and I don’t want for anything. IMO, I don’t think it’s wise to change your pricing structure due to a sudden massive increase in overhead that isn’t going to result in more profit.

When the time comes for me to hire an assistant in my practice I’ll certainly pour over the books and estimate the increased workload I can take on with an assistant. After that I will hire someone for a wage that results in me profiting off of their work. That’s not riding their back or whatever, that’s being an employer. Don’t spend money if it doesn’t make you money.

I wonder if anything is going to come from this. On one hand I can see McDonalds giving a 50 cent or so raise to appease these people. But, on the other, I could easily see them just firing all the protesters, because at the end of the day their job has little value.[/quote]

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What’s the point of this?[/quote]

If you watch it , there are children that that would rather have a less reward for them selves just so they could make more of an award than another child . I am curious how much of especially the Hard core Conservative or Liberal is just psychological

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[quote]pittbulll wrote:

[quote]CroatianRage wrote:

[quote]pittbulll wrote:

[quote]CroatianRage wrote:
Anyone here is welcome to start their own business and pay their employees a “living wage.” I don’t know who said it before, but 31k is well above a fair living wage, my budget is at a little over 15k per year and I don’t want for anything. IMO, I don’t think it’s wise to change your pricing structure due to a sudden massive increase in overhead that isn’t going to result in more profit.

When the time comes for me to hire an assistant in my practice I’ll certainly pour over the books and estimate the increased workload I can take on with an assistant. After that I will hire someone for a wage that results in me profiting off of their work. That’s not riding their back or whatever, that’s being an employer. Don’t spend money if it doesn’t make you money.

I wonder if anything is going to come from this. On one hand I can see McDonalds giving a 50 cent or so raise to appease these people. But, on the other, I could easily see them just firing all the protesters, because at the end of the day their job has little value.[/quote]

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What’s the point of this?[/quote]

If you watch it , there are children that that would rather have a less reward for them selves just so they could make more of an award than another child . I am curious how much of especially the Hard core Conservative or Liberal is just psychological
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It was the article about how NYC is expensive. Everyone knows NYC is expensive. There’s not some dome around the city that prevents people from leaving it.

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[quote]CroatianRage wrote:

[quote]pittbulll wrote:

[quote]CroatianRage wrote:
Anyone here is welcome to start their own business and pay their employees a “living wage.” I don’t know who said it before, but 31k is well above a fair living wage, my budget is at a little over 15k per year and I don’t want for anything. IMO, I don’t think it’s wise to change your pricing structure due to a sudden massive increase in overhead that isn’t going to result in more profit.

When the time comes for me to hire an assistant in my practice I’ll certainly pour over the books and estimate the increased workload I can take on with an assistant. After that I will hire someone for a wage that results in me profiting off of their work. That’s not riding their back or whatever, that’s being an employer. Don’t spend money if it doesn’t make you money.

I wonder if anything is going to come from this. On one hand I can see McDonalds giving a 50 cent or so raise to appease these people. But, on the other, I could easily see them just firing all the protesters, because at the end of the day their job has little value.[/quote]

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What’s the point of this?[/quote]

I know it has always made me wonder how the Republicans could get poor people to vote against their own self interest .

One of the staunchest Repubicans I know is a young lady in her early 30s . She lost her job as a loan processor in the last recession .She moved back to her home town , moved into her grand parents abode . can not find work, she is now pregnant again . WE as tax payers will have to pay to have her baby delivered I am sure we are paying her groceries , health care for her and the kids .

But if you listen to her she would be right in there with all the so called conservatives thinking we should slash all social programs and lazy people are the only ones working . It makes my head swim . She flat out votes against her self interest and she is not alone many poor and uneducated do and this could be one explaination

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[quote]CroatianRage wrote:

[quote]pittbulll wrote:

[quote]CroatianRage wrote:

[quote]pittbulll wrote:

[quote]CroatianRage wrote:
Anyone here is welcome to start their own business and pay their employees a “living wage.” I don’t know who said it before, but 31k is well above a fair living wage, my budget is at a little over 15k per year and I don’t want for anything. IMO, I don’t think it’s wise to change your pricing structure due to a sudden massive increase in overhead that isn’t going to result in more profit.

When the time comes for me to hire an assistant in my practice I’ll certainly pour over the books and estimate the increased workload I can take on with an assistant. After that I will hire someone for a wage that results in me profiting off of their work. That’s not riding their back or whatever, that’s being an employer. Don’t spend money if it doesn’t make you money.

I wonder if anything is going to come from this. On one hand I can see McDonalds giving a 50 cent or so raise to appease these people. But, on the other, I could easily see them just firing all the protesters, because at the end of the day their job has little value.[/quote]

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What’s the point of this?[/quote]

If you watch it , there are children that that would rather have a less reward for them selves just so they could make more of an award than another child . I am curious how much of especially the Hard core Conservative or Liberal is just psychological
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It was the article about how NYC is expensive. Everyone knows NYC is expensive. There’s not some dome around the city that prevents people from leaving it.[/quote]

just curious have you ever moved , it is not cheap. How would you do it with no money ?

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$15 an hour? Okay, let’s crunch some numbers.

McDonalds made 5.5 BILLION dollars profit last year. With that, they can afford to give their employees a raise of:

$5,500,000,000/1,800,000 employees=$3,055/employee-year

$3,500/employee/2080 hr/year = $1.47/hr per employee.

Nowhere near the 2x raise they’re asking for, and that’s assuming McDonalds is willing to drain the entirety of their profit to give their employees raises.

It’s worth mentioning that almost nobody works 40 hours a week as a McDonalds employee and this excludes much of upper management pay and payment to their workers in other countries. I’d factor these in too, but it’s already clear that McDonalds simply doesn’t have the profit margins to double the pay of their employees, even if they’re willing to make ZERO PROFIT.

You can always argue that McDonalds could simply raise the prices of their food in order to pay their employees more, but you’d be a fucking idiot. If Mcdonalds could make more money by charging more, they already would be. If you charge more, people buy less, you make less money, people lose their jobs.

Of course, if all the fast-food places raised their prices it could work (depending on the inelasticity of demand for fast-food, and how one defines “fast food”), but that would require collusion and extensive legislation establishing enough barriers to entry in order to ensure no new firms hit the market looking to undercut our new burger-cartel.

That’s the trade off; double minimum wage for a fast-food oligopoly.

So, which weighs heavier to the leftist; improving the living standards of unskilled labourers, or fighting crony capitalism?

Problem?

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[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]zecarlo wrote:
To anyone who worked at a fast food place when younger (myself included): you would not have turned down a raise even if it meant prices would have gone up. You also believed you should have been paid more. You may have accepted the conditions but don’t say you liked them.

I don’t know what a fair wage is, for any job, but I can’t fault anyone for trying to get as much as they can or for believing their work is worth more than what they are getting paid. I’m not some communist after all. [/quote]

The most important phrase of your post.

[quote]zecarlo wrote:
work is worth [/quote]

A fast food worker’s work is not worth $15/hr. It’s actually laughable that some people think it is. [/quote]
The problem is in measuring what something is worth. A Big Mac could be free and I would rather pay to get something better.

To a fast food addicted fat ass a Big Mac is priceless and therefore the person who makes it is as important to him as a person standing next to him who knows CPR. It’s not what someone here thinks it’s worth but what McDonald’s believes it’s worth and whether or not they can afford it.

It’s about what a McDonald’s customer thinks McDonald’s food is worth and whether or not he will pay more for it. A large order of fries probably uses 10 cents worth of potatoes if you were to buy it at the supermarket yet people see no problem paying a couple of dollars for it.

The labor that McDonald’s puts into producing that order of fries (which is not much in time nor cost) is worth paying that much extra for. How hard is it to cut up a potato and fry it? Basically someone is paying 2 dollars, or whatever it costs, for someone to cut up and fry a potato; a task which takes a few minutes.

If we converted that to a per hourly rate what would that person be paying for someone to make his fries? Apparently people do put a high value on McDonald’s food.

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The New Yorkers make more money and that’s all that matters, right? Is that the point of the article-that the unions and socialist policies in New York have given people a higher wage?

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[quote]RyuuKyuzo wrote:
$15 an hour? Okay, let’s crunch some numbers.

McDonalds made 5.5 BILLION dollars profit last year. With that, they can afford to give their employees a raise of:

$5,500,000,000/1,800,000 employees=$3,055/employee-year

$3,500/employee/2080 hr/year = $1.47/hr per employee.

Nowhere near the 2x raise they’re asking for, and that’s assuming McDonalds is willing to drain the entirety of their profit to give their employees raises.

It’s worth mentioning that almost nobody works 40 hours a week as a McDonalds employee and this excludes much of upper management pay and payment to their workers in other countries. I’d factor these in too, but it’s already clear that McDonalds simply doesn’t have the profit margins to double the pay of their employees, even if they’re willing to make ZERO PROFIT.

You can always argue that McDonalds could simply raise the prices of their food in order to pay their employees more, but you’d be a fucking idiot. If Mcdonalds could make more money by charging more, they already would be. If you charge more, people buy less, you make less money, people lose their jobs.

Of course, if all the fast-food places raised their prices it could work (depending on the inelasticity of demand for fast-food, and how one defines “fast food”), but that would require collusion and extensive legislation establishing enough barriers to entry in order to ensure no new firms hit the market looking to undercut our new burger-cartel.

That’s the trade off; double minimum wage for a fast-food oligopoly.

So, which weighs heavier to the leftist; improving the living standards of unskilled labourers, or fighting crony capitalism?

Problem, leftfags?

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Maybe they would need to do away with the crew at night , the only reason they can afford it is cheap labor . Maybe they do not deserve to be in business . Maybe Ma and Pa could afford to run their burger stand and sell real food and hire people that can live on their wages .

Perfect plan ? no but it is better than the Corporate Fascist program we are presently running

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[quote]RyuuKyuzo wrote:
$15 an hour? Okay, let’s crunch some numbers.

McDonalds made 5.5 BILLION dollars profit last year. With that, they can afford to give their employees a raise of:

$5,500,000,000/1,800,000 employees=$3,055/employee-year

$3,500/employee/2080 hr/year = $1.47/hr per employee.

Nowhere near the 2x raise they’re asking for, and that’s assuming McDonalds is willing to drain the entirety of their profit to give their employees raises.

It’s worth mentioning that almost nobody works 40 hours a week as a McDonalds employee and this excludes much of upper management pay and payment to their workers in other countries. I’d factor these in too, but it’s already clear that McDonalds simply doesn’t have the profit margins to double the pay of their employees, even if they’re willing to make ZERO PROFIT.

You can always argue that McDonalds could simply raise the prices of their food in order to pay their employees more, but you’d be a fucking idiot. If Mcdonalds could make more money by charging more, they already would be. If you charge more, people buy less, you make less money, people lose their jobs.

Of course, if all the fast-food places raised their prices it could work (depending on the inelasticity of demand for fast-food, and how one defines “fast food”), but that would require collusion and extensive legislation establishing enough barriers to entry in order to ensure no new firms hit the market looking to undercut our new burger-cartel.

That’s the trade off; double minimum wage for a fast-food oligopoly.

So, which weighs heavier to the leftist; improving the living standards of unskilled labourers, or fighting crony capitalism?

Problem?

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Is that number of employees including all employees? Not all employees are making min wage so they would not be among those to get a substantial raise.

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[quote]zecarlo wrote:

Is that number of employees including all employees? Not all employees are making min wage so they would not be among those to get a substantial raise. [/quote]

A fair estimate is that doubling the pay rate of the lowest skilled and lowest paid to $15, would cause the need to double the pay of everyone making between $7.25 and $10, 50-70% increase for everyone making between $10-$17 and at least a 10-20% raise for everyone making between $17-22 or so.

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Adam Smith…

A whole lot of you need to get reading.

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[quote]pittbulll wrote:

[quote]CroatianRage wrote:

[quote]pittbulll wrote:

[quote]CroatianRage wrote:

[quote]pittbulll wrote:

[quote]CroatianRage wrote:
Anyone here is welcome to start their own business and pay their employees a “living wage.” I don’t know who said it before, but 31k is well above a fair living wage, my budget is at a little over 15k per year and I don’t want for anything. IMO, I don’t think it’s wise to change your pricing structure due to a sudden massive increase in overhead that isn’t going to result in more profit.

When the time comes for me to hire an assistant in my practice I’ll certainly pour over the books and estimate the increased workload I can take on with an assistant. After that I will hire someone for a wage that results in me profiting off of their work. That’s not riding their back or whatever, that’s being an employer. Don’t spend money if it doesn’t make you money.

I wonder if anything is going to come from this. On one hand I can see McDonalds giving a 50 cent or so raise to appease these people. But, on the other, I could easily see them just firing all the protesters, because at the end of the day their job has little value.[/quote]

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What’s the point of this?[/quote]

If you watch it , there are children that that would rather have a less reward for them selves just so they could make more of an award than another child . I am curious how much of especially the Hard core Conservative or Liberal is just psychological
[/quote]

It was the article about how NYC is expensive. Everyone knows NYC is expensive. There’s not some dome around the city that prevents people from leaving it.[/quote]

just curious have you ever moved , it is not cheap. How would you do it with no money ?
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I’m moving 900+ miles in 15 days. We’re moving 2 people and all our stuff. It’s not expensive if you throw all your crap in a dumpster and get on a bus, though. This is a problem of being reactive instead of proactive. One shouldn’t wait until they have a family of 4 in an outrageously expensive city to figure out they don’t have enough money.

Besides comparing my annual budget to the most expensive city in the US do you have any other issues with what I said before? Can you give a good reason that a company should intentionally increase their overhead by a massive amount with no return in profit? An increase in overhead would mean that either total number of sales or amount of money per sale would have to increase. So, which is it?