$15 to Flip a Burger

Off Topic Politics & World Issues
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[quote]H factor wrote:

[quote]UtahLama wrote:

[quote]Maiden3.16 wrote:

[quote]pittbulll wrote:
It is bottom up economics , like everything good it must be built from the bottom up .

And as I being a tax payer , I am sick and tired of subsidizing employees of McDonalds and Walmart. If they can not pay a living wage they should get out of business and let some one that can

Besides that McDonalds should start making real food , that I would eat . It has to be over 10 years that I have darkened their door [/quote]

If McDonalds paid 16/hr to flip a burger then more educated people would apply to the job and get hired and these fucking idiots that’s failed to graduate high school will be out of a job all together. [/quote]

Unions…you know, the guys that are responsible for this “grassroots” movement…are not the most long term of thinkers.

It’s a job for high school kids, trying to make a buck, not some 35 year old person trying to raise a family.

Most of these jokers will soon be unemployed, their jobs filled by the next generation.[/quote]

If the job is only for high school kids why does McDonald’s hire those older than that age constantly? Damn I can see being upset at people who aren’t working, but a lot of hate in here for people who are working.

Why do you care that people are trying to get a raise? You worried you won’t be able to feel so much better than those employee’s if they make anymore?

It’s just odd to me. Does it bother you when ANYONE tries to get a raise or just fast food workers? What dollar amount would make you the least upset? If they got 50 cents? Or would you still have your jimmies rustled?

[/quote]

What irritates me is that they think they are entitled to a raise.

If you want more money, go and get a job that pays you more…unions are demanding a DOUBLING of a salary for a group that has ZERO leverage.

This is not Russia, you can go get another job that pays you more money if you wish…those people should do it.

/worked in a restaurant during college

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[quote]H factor wrote:

[quote]countingbeans wrote:

[quote]H factor wrote:

Why do you care that people are trying to get a raise?
[/quote]

Because they, and you, are ignoring basic economics.

If you add value or reduce costs, then you deserve a raise.

If you force a certain wage, that is above (or below) market, it causes changes in the market. These changes effect everyone, not just the particular employee’s wage. Inflation being one.

If someone starts at $8, and works for 8 years and now makes $16, then these people with less time and less skill are now making $15, what do you think the first person will want? This will continue on up the chain. This is only but one issue here. [/quote]

This is where you lose me. So the CEO got his salary tripled AFTER sales fell. Somehow they managed to afford that. If a CEO starts at a million and quickly increases to 4 million what do you think other CEOs of similar companies will want?

Why are these issues with the bottom end but not the top?

Keep in mind I could care less what McDonald’s pays either it’s top or bottom end, but how can the top end not effect the market but the bottom does? [/quote]

How much of his pay is stock options, restricted stock, or was all this cash?

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[quote]H factor wrote:

[quote]countingbeans wrote:

[quote]H factor wrote:

Why do you care that people are trying to get a raise?
[/quote]

Because they, and you, are ignoring basic economics.

If you add value or reduce costs, then you deserve a raise.

If you force a certain wage, that is above (or below) market, it causes changes in the market. These changes effect everyone, not just the particular employee’s wage. Inflation being one.

If someone starts at $8, and works for 8 years and now makes $16, then these people with less time and less skill are now making $15, what do you think the first person will want? This will continue on up the chain. This is only but one issue here. [/quote]

This is where you lose me. So the CEO got his salary tripled AFTER sales fell. Somehow they managed to afford that. If a CEO starts at a million and quickly increases to 4 million what do you think other CEOs of similar companies will want?

Why are these issues with the bottom end but not the top?

Keep in mind I could care less what McDonald’s pays either it’s top or bottom end, but how can the top end not effect the market but the bottom does? [/quote]

Why are these issues with the bottom end and not the top ?

Because anyone can work a fry basket, but not everyone can manage a corporation.

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CEOs don’t usually make that much. I doubt McDonald’s CEO is going to magically drive up their pay.

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[quote]dmaddox wrote:

[quote]H factor wrote:

[quote]countingbeans wrote:

[quote]H factor wrote:

Why do you care that people are trying to get a raise?
[/quote]

Because they, and you, are ignoring basic economics.

If you add value or reduce costs, then you deserve a raise.

If you force a certain wage, that is above (or below) market, it causes changes in the market. These changes effect everyone, not just the particular employee’s wage. Inflation being one.

If someone starts at $8, and works for 8 years and now makes $16, then these people with less time and less skill are now making $15, what do you think the first person will want? This will continue on up the chain. This is only but one issue here. [/quote]

This is where you lose me. So the CEO got his salary tripled AFTER sales fell. Somehow they managed to afford that. If a CEO starts at a million and quickly increases to 4 million what do you think other CEOs of similar companies will want?

Why are these issues with the bottom end but not the top?

Keep in mind I could care less what McDonald’s pays either it’s top or bottom end, but how can the top end not effect the market but the bottom does? [/quote]

How much of his pay is stock options, restricted stock, or was all this cash?
[/quote]

The majority of it is a bonus and stock options. I posted it earlier.

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[quote]H factor wrote:

[quote]countingbeans wrote:
Some people haven’t the slightest idea what “flipping supply and demand” means. [/quote]

I get it I just don’t see the reason to be against a worker strike in America. If you go try to get a raise today I’m not going to be mad at you. They are taking a risk and free to do so. If McDonald’s fires them that is the risk they take for striking. They might get what they are after. They might get fired. It just seems like people are really mad at them for some reason and I’m trying to get it. [/quote]

I’m all for workers trying to get a raise. Remove all government intervention from the economy and I would be praying for these folks to get the raise they are after. It would be their fair market value if they received it at that point.

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[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]dmaddox wrote:

[quote]H factor wrote:

[quote]countingbeans wrote:

[quote]H factor wrote:

Why do you care that people are trying to get a raise?
[/quote]

Because they, and you, are ignoring basic economics.

If you add value or reduce costs, then you deserve a raise.

If you force a certain wage, that is above (or below) market, it causes changes in the market. These changes effect everyone, not just the particular employee’s wage. Inflation being one.

If someone starts at $8, and works for 8 years and now makes $16, then these people with less time and less skill are now making $15, what do you think the first person will want? This will continue on up the chain. This is only but one issue here. [/quote]

This is where you lose me. So the CEO got his salary tripled AFTER sales fell. Somehow they managed to afford that. If a CEO starts at a million and quickly increases to 4 million what do you think other CEOs of similar companies will want?

Why are these issues with the bottom end but not the top?

Keep in mind I could care less what McDonald’s pays either it’s top or bottom end, but how can the top end not effect the market but the bottom does? [/quote]

How much of his pay is stock options, restricted stock, or was all this cash?
[/quote]

The majority of it is a bonus and stock options. I posted it earlier. [/quote]

I was just trying to make a point.

Sometime in the future he will vest these options and he can sell them for a profit. The company must go up in value. If sales continue to fall the company will loose money and the stock will be worth less, so his actual pay will be less. And the options strike price is probably above what the current price is.

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[quote]NickViar wrote:

[quote]H factor wrote:

[quote]countingbeans wrote:
Some people haven’t the slightest idea what “flipping supply and demand” means. [/quote]

I get it I just don’t see the reason to be against a worker strike in America. If you go try to get a raise today I’m not going to be mad at you. They are taking a risk and free to do so. If McDonald’s fires them that is the risk they take for striking. They might get what they are after. They might get fired. It just seems like people are really mad at them for some reason and I’m trying to get it. [/quote]

I’m all for workers trying to get a raise. Remove all government intervention from the economy and I would be praying for these folks to get the raise they are after. It would be their fair market value if they received it at that point.[/quote]

This would be fine with me. I’m just trying to understand why everyone is flipping out about a good old fashioned strike. Private sector unions got a LOT of people good things, stuff that today’s workers (me included) take for granted.

I don’t know what the value of flipping a burger is. I know McDonald’s makes a lot of money so it must have some value. Clearly the workers think it is more than they are currently being paid. And we’re mad at them for thinking it? For trying to get a raise? Is everyone going to be pissed off when I try and get a raise? Why?

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[quote]H factor wrote:

[quote]NickViar wrote:

[quote]H factor wrote:

[quote]countingbeans wrote:
Some people haven’t the slightest idea what “flipping supply and demand” means. [/quote]

I get it I just don’t see the reason to be against a worker strike in America. If you go try to get a raise today I’m not going to be mad at you. They are taking a risk and free to do so. If McDonald’s fires them that is the risk they take for striking. They might get what they are after. They might get fired. It just seems like people are really mad at them for some reason and I’m trying to get it. [/quote]

I’m all for workers trying to get a raise. Remove all government intervention from the economy and I would be praying for these folks to get the raise they are after. It would be their fair market value if they received it at that point.[/quote]

This would be fine with me. I’m just trying to understand why everyone is flipping out about a good old fashioned strike. Private sector unions got a LOT of people good things, stuff that today’s workers (me included) take for granted.

I don’t know what the value of flipping a burger is. I know McDonald’s makes a lot of money so it must have some value. Clearly the workers think it is more than they are currently being paid. And we’re mad at them for thinking it? For trying to get a raise? Is everyone going to be pissed off when I try and get a raise? Why? [/quote]

If you have leverage, you should do it.

If you do a job that a trained monkey could do and demand a DOUBLING of your pay…what the hell, give that a go too.

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[quote]UtahLama wrote:

[quote]H factor wrote:

[quote]UtahLama wrote:

[quote]Maiden3.16 wrote:

[quote]pittbulll wrote:
It is bottom up economics , like everything good it must be built from the bottom up .

And as I being a tax payer , I am sick and tired of subsidizing employees of McDonalds and Walmart. If they can not pay a living wage they should get out of business and let some one that can

Besides that McDonalds should start making real food , that I would eat . It has to be over 10 years that I have darkened their door [/quote]

If McDonalds paid 16/hr to flip a burger then more educated people would apply to the job and get hired and these fucking idiots that’s failed to graduate high school will be out of a job all together. [/quote]

Unions…you know, the guys that are responsible for this “grassroots” movement…are not the most long term of thinkers.

It’s a job for high school kids, trying to make a buck, not some 35 year old person trying to raise a family.

Most of these jokers will soon be unemployed, their jobs filled by the next generation.[/quote]

If the job is only for high school kids why does McDonald’s hire those older than that age constantly? Damn I can see being upset at people who aren’t working, but a lot of hate in here for people who are working.

Why do you care that people are trying to get a raise? You worried you won’t be able to feel so much better than those employee’s if they make anymore?

It’s just odd to me. Does it bother you when ANYONE tries to get a raise or just fast food workers? What dollar amount would make you the least upset? If they got 50 cents? Or would you still have your jimmies rustled?

[/quote]

What irritates me is that they think they are entitled to a raise.

If you want more money, go and get a job that pays you more…unions are demanding a DOUBLING of a salary for a group that has ZERO leverage.

This is not Russia, you can go get another job that pays you more money if you wish…those people should do it.

/worked in a restaurant during college[/quote]

what irritates me is people think $15 an hour is a lot of money . That is pretty close to cost of living and every one that works should be able to live . Employers have beat down wages for the last 30 years and trained the populace to think they are not entitled to live on their income

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[quote]UtahLama wrote:

[quote]H factor wrote:

[quote]NickViar wrote:

[quote]H factor wrote:

[quote]countingbeans wrote:
Some people haven’t the slightest idea what “flipping supply and demand” means. [/quote]

I get it I just don’t see the reason to be against a worker strike in America. If you go try to get a raise today I’m not going to be mad at you. They are taking a risk and free to do so. If McDonald’s fires them that is the risk they take for striking. They might get what they are after. They might get fired. It just seems like people are really mad at them for some reason and I’m trying to get it. [/quote]

I’m all for workers trying to get a raise. Remove all government intervention from the economy and I would be praying for these folks to get the raise they are after. It would be their fair market value if they received it at that point.[/quote]

This would be fine with me. I’m just trying to understand why everyone is flipping out about a good old fashioned strike. Private sector unions got a LOT of people good things, stuff that today’s workers (me included) take for granted.

I don’t know what the value of flipping a burger is. I know McDonald’s makes a lot of money so it must have some value. Clearly the workers think it is more than they are currently being paid. And we’re mad at them for thinking it? For trying to get a raise? Is everyone going to be pissed off when I try and get a raise? Why? [/quote]

If you have leverage, you should do it.

If you do a job that a trained monkey could do and demand a DOUBLING of your pay…what the hell, give that a go too.[/quote]

And yet McDonald’s doesn’t use trained monkeys. They use people. People who would like more money and who are attempting to get more money out of their employer.

Makes some people really mad. Guess I’ve never really thought about the McDonald’s worker enough to be pissed off about their actions when they ask for more money.

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[quote]NickViar wrote:

[quote]H factor wrote:

[quote]countingbeans wrote:
Some people haven’t the slightest idea what “flipping supply and demand” means. [/quote]

I get it I just don’t see the reason to be against a worker strike in America. If you go try to get a raise today I’m not going to be mad at you. They are taking a risk and free to do so. If McDonald’s fires them that is the risk they take for striking. They might get what they are after. They might get fired. It just seems like people are really mad at them for some reason and I’m trying to get it. [/quote]

I’m all for workers trying to get a raise. Remove all government intervention from the economy and I would be praying for these folks to get the raise they are after. It would be their fair market value if they received it at that point.[/quote]

cool robbery would be legal

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[quote]pittbulll wrote:

[quote]UtahLama wrote:

[quote]H factor wrote:

[quote]UtahLama wrote:

[quote]Maiden3.16 wrote:

[quote]pittbulll wrote:
It is bottom up economics , like everything good it must be built from the bottom up .

And as I being a tax payer , I am sick and tired of subsidizing employees of McDonalds and Walmart. If they can not pay a living wage they should get out of business and let some one that can

Besides that McDonalds should start making real food , that I would eat . It has to be over 10 years that I have darkened their door [/quote]

If McDonalds paid 16/hr to flip a burger then more educated people would apply to the job and get hired and these fucking idiots that’s failed to graduate high school will be out of a job all together. [/quote]

Unions…you know, the guys that are responsible for this “grassroots” movement…are not the most long term of thinkers.

It’s a job for high school kids, trying to make a buck, not some 35 year old person trying to raise a family.

Most of these jokers will soon be unemployed, their jobs filled by the next generation.[/quote]

If the job is only for high school kids why does McDonald’s hire those older than that age constantly? Damn I can see being upset at people who aren’t working, but a lot of hate in here for people who are working.

Why do you care that people are trying to get a raise? You worried you won’t be able to feel so much better than those employee’s if they make anymore?

It’s just odd to me. Does it bother you when ANYONE tries to get a raise or just fast food workers? What dollar amount would make you the least upset? If they got 50 cents? Or would you still have your jimmies rustled?

[/quote]

What irritates me is that they think they are entitled to a raise.

If you want more money, go and get a job that pays you more…unions are demanding a DOUBLING of a salary for a group that has ZERO leverage.

This is not Russia, you can go get another job that pays you more money if you wish…those people should do it.

/worked in a restaurant during college[/quote]

what irritates me is people think $15 an hour is a lot of money . That is pretty close to cost of living and every one that works should be able to live . Employers have beat down wages for the last 30 years and trained the populace to think they are not entitled to live on their income
[/quote]

You’d also think everyone on this forum was a McDonald’s CEO as quick as everyone was to defend them. Weird. Extremely quick to jump on the minimum wage worker who wants a higher wage, but easily able to defend the guy at the top when he gets more.

Anyways, neither one is adding to my salary, but it is interesting to see where the discussion heads and how mad some get.

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[quote]H factor wrote:

[quote]UtahLama wrote:

[quote]H factor wrote:

[quote]NickViar wrote:

[quote]H factor wrote:

[quote]countingbeans wrote:
Some people haven’t the slightest idea what “flipping supply and demand” means. [/quote]

I get it I just don’t see the reason to be against a worker strike in America. If you go try to get a raise today I’m not going to be mad at you. They are taking a risk and free to do so. If McDonald’s fires them that is the risk they take for striking. They might get what they are after. They might get fired. It just seems like people are really mad at them for some reason and I’m trying to get it. [/quote]

I’m all for workers trying to get a raise. Remove all government intervention from the economy and I would be praying for these folks to get the raise they are after. It would be their fair market value if they received it at that point.[/quote]

This would be fine with me. I’m just trying to understand why everyone is flipping out about a good old fashioned strike. Private sector unions got a LOT of people good things, stuff that today’s workers (me included) take for granted.

I don’t know what the value of flipping a burger is. I know McDonald’s makes a lot of money so it must have some value. Clearly the workers think it is more than they are currently being paid. And we’re mad at them for thinking it? For trying to get a raise? Is everyone going to be pissed off when I try and get a raise? Why? [/quote]

If you have leverage, you should do it.

If you do a job that a trained monkey could do and demand a DOUBLING of your pay…what the hell, give that a go too.[/quote]

And yet McDonald’s doesn’t use trained monkeys. They use people. People who would like more money and who are attempting to get more money out of their employer.

Makes some people really mad. Guess I’ve never really thought about the McDonald’s worker enough to be pissed off about their actions when they ask for more money. [/quote]

No one else thinks about the McDonald’s worker either.

They do not do anything that demands your attention, other than supersizing your order.

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Cant say I give a shit about this one… Im not a multi billion dollar ceo or a burger flipper… My .02 would be it gives un educated or low level employees a chance to pay bills or have spendible income hence maybe spurring the economy… Maybe Micky D’s can out source it

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[quote]H factor wrote:

[quote]pittbulll wrote:

[quote]UtahLama wrote:

[quote]H factor wrote:

[quote]UtahLama wrote:

[quote]Maiden3.16 wrote:

[quote]pittbulll wrote:
It is bottom up economics , like everything good it must be built from the bottom up .

And as I being a tax payer , I am sick and tired of subsidizing employees of McDonalds and Walmart. If they can not pay a living wage they should get out of business and let some one that can

Besides that McDonalds should start making real food , that I would eat . It has to be over 10 years that I have darkened their door [/quote]

If McDonalds paid 16/hr to flip a burger then more educated people would apply to the job and get hired and these fucking idiots that’s failed to graduate high school will be out of a job all together. [/quote]

Unions…you know, the guys that are responsible for this “grassroots” movement…are not the most long term of thinkers.

It’s a job for high school kids, trying to make a buck, not some 35 year old person trying to raise a family.

Most of these jokers will soon be unemployed, their jobs filled by the next generation.[/quote]

If the job is only for high school kids why does McDonald’s hire those older than that age constantly? Damn I can see being upset at people who aren’t working, but a lot of hate in here for people who are working.

Why do you care that people are trying to get a raise? You worried you won’t be able to feel so much better than those employee’s if they make anymore?

It’s just odd to me. Does it bother you when ANYONE tries to get a raise or just fast food workers? What dollar amount would make you the least upset? If they got 50 cents? Or would you still have your jimmies rustled?

[/quote]

What irritates me is that they think they are entitled to a raise.

If you want more money, go and get a job that pays you more…unions are demanding a DOUBLING of a salary for a group that has ZERO leverage.

This is not Russia, you can go get another job that pays you more money if you wish…those people should do it.

/worked in a restaurant during college[/quote]

what irritates me is people think $15 an hour is a lot of money . That is pretty close to cost of living and every one that works should be able to live . Employers have beat down wages for the last 30 years and trained the populace to think they are not entitled to live on their income
[/quote]

You’d also think everyone on this forum was a McDonald’s CEO as quick as everyone was to defend [/quote]

No but there are a lot of business owners (myself included) on here who understand what it takes to run one.

Clearly the Unions who look at these people with dollar signs in their eyes…do not.

If I had a group of expendable employees come into my office and demand a doubling of their pay, I would wish them well in their new job.

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[quote]UtahLama wrote:

[quote]H factor wrote:

[quote]pittbulll wrote:

[quote]UtahLama wrote:

[quote]H factor wrote:

[quote]UtahLama wrote:

[quote]Maiden3.16 wrote:

[quote]pittbulll wrote:
It is bottom up economics , like everything good it must be built from the bottom up .

And as I being a tax payer , I am sick and tired of subsidizing employees of McDonalds and Walmart. If they can not pay a living wage they should get out of business and let some one that can

Besides that McDonalds should start making real food , that I would eat . It has to be over 10 years that I have darkened their door [/quote]

If McDonalds paid 16/hr to flip a burger then more educated people would apply to the job and get hired and these fucking idiots that’s failed to graduate high school will be out of a job all together. [/quote]

Unions…you know, the guys that are responsible for this “grassroots” movement…are not the most long term of thinkers.

It’s a job for high school kids, trying to make a buck, not some 35 year old person trying to raise a family.

Most of these jokers will soon be unemployed, their jobs filled by the next generation.[/quote]

If the job is only for high school kids why does McDonald’s hire those older than that age constantly? Damn I can see being upset at people who aren’t working, but a lot of hate in here for people who are working.

Why do you care that people are trying to get a raise? You worried you won’t be able to feel so much better than those employee’s if they make anymore?

It’s just odd to me. Does it bother you when ANYONE tries to get a raise or just fast food workers? What dollar amount would make you the least upset? If they got 50 cents? Or would you still have your jimmies rustled?

[/quote]

What irritates me is that they think they are entitled to a raise.

If you want more money, go and get a job that pays you more…unions are demanding a DOUBLING of a salary for a group that has ZERO leverage.

This is not Russia, you can go get another job that pays you more money if you wish…those people should do it.

/worked in a restaurant during college[/quote]

what irritates me is people think $15 an hour is a lot of money . That is pretty close to cost of living and every one that works should be able to live . Employers have beat down wages for the last 30 years and trained the populace to think they are not entitled to live on their income
[/quote]

You’d also think everyone on this forum was a McDonald’s CEO as quick as everyone was to defend [/quote]

No but there are a lot of business owners (myself included) on here who understand what it takes to run one.

Clearly the Unions who look at these people with dollar signs in their eyes…do not.

If I had a group of expendable employees come into my office and demand a doubling of their pay, I would wish them well in their new job.[/quote]

Unions don’t care if you have to sell the shirt off your back.

They want their Union dues, Union perks, Union benefits, and they want them all day long.

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[quote]H factor wrote:
So the CEO got his salary tripled AFTER sales fell. [/quote]

The CEO, singular. Did profit and dividends fall as well?

I have no idea why the board agreed to this contract, or what it stipulates.

okay

To be paid what they are worth. And if they feel they are not paid what they are worth, they will leave for a position that pays them what they feel is fair.

Top end raises may increase top end costs of other CEO’s in similar industries, but this is a horizontal change. A massive, 100% raise for the low skilled entry level position is a vertical problem, as it effects the pay of everyone that works there.

How many CEO’s in this example? 1
How many employees making $15 and under? Whole lot more than one.

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[quote]H factor wrote:

[quote]pittbulll wrote:

[quote]UtahLama wrote:

[quote]H factor wrote:

[quote]UtahLama wrote:

[quote]Maiden3.16 wrote:

[quote]pittbulll wrote:
It is bottom up economics , like everything good it must be built from the bottom up .

And as I being a tax payer , I am sick and tired of subsidizing employees of McDonalds and Walmart. If they can not pay a living wage they should get out of business and let some one that can

Besides that McDonalds should start making real food , that I would eat . It has to be over 10 years that I have darkened their door [/quote]

If McDonalds paid 16/hr to flip a burger then more educated people would apply to the job and get hired and these fucking idiots that’s failed to graduate high school will be out of a job all together. [/quote]

Unions…you know, the guys that are responsible for this “grassroots” movement…are not the most long term of thinkers.

It’s a job for high school kids, trying to make a buck, not some 35 year old person trying to raise a family.

Most of these jokers will soon be unemployed, their jobs filled by the next generation.[/quote]

If the job is only for high school kids why does McDonald’s hire those older than that age constantly? Damn I can see being upset at people who aren’t working, but a lot of hate in here for people who are working.

Why do you care that people are trying to get a raise? You worried you won’t be able to feel so much better than those employee’s if they make anymore?

It’s just odd to me. Does it bother you when ANYONE tries to get a raise or just fast food workers? What dollar amount would make you the least upset? If they got 50 cents? Or would you still have your jimmies rustled?

[/quote]

What irritates me is that they think they are entitled to a raise.

If you want more money, go and get a job that pays you more…unions are demanding a DOUBLING of a salary for a group that has ZERO leverage.

This is not Russia, you can go get another job that pays you more money if you wish…those people should do it.

/worked in a restaurant during college[/quote]

what irritates me is people think $15 an hour is a lot of money . That is pretty close to cost of living and every one that works should be able to live . Employers have beat down wages for the last 30 years and trained the populace to think they are not entitled to live on their income
[/quote]

You’d also think everyone on this forum was a McDonald’s CEO as quick as everyone was to defend them. Weird. Extremely quick to jump on the minimum wage worker who wants a higher wage, but easily able to defend the guy at the top when he gets more.

Anyways, neither one is adding to my salary, but it is interesting to see where the discussion heads and how mad some get. [/quote]

You mad bro?

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[quote]UtahLama wrote:

No but there are a lot of business owners (myself included) on here who understand what it takes to run one.

Clearly the Unions who look at these people with dollar signs in their eyes…do not.

If I had a group of expendable employees come into my office and demand a doubling of their pay, I would wish them well in their new job.[/quote]

This lol.

In American Liberal Utopia 30k a year is “cost of living”. lol

Take a look around the world and complain you ONLY get $7 an hour to stand around and pull chunks of almost beef out of a microwave.