13 Y.O. Lies About Age, Sends Men to Prison

[quote]forlife wrote:
Yes, I believe it does. If he knew she was a child he should be punished to a greater degree than if he genuinely thought she was an adult. Of course, determining true intent can be tricky.[/quote]

You seem to think that a child can get a free pass simply because of age,and also you seem to be saying in your posts that the parents of the girl and the girl herself are in no way at fault.

no wby your reasonings,I can gather that if this young lady would go out and murder a grown man, thats ok on her part the adult should have not allowed her to put him in a situation that would result in his being killed right?

[quote]MaddyD wrote:
You seem to think that a child can get a free pass simply because of age,and also you seem to be saying in your posts that the parents of the girl and the girl herself are in no way at fault.
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Where did you get that idea? I think a child should be held accountable for her actions, based on what can be reasonably expected given her maturity level. I never said she should get a free pass.

What I did say was that the adult was in the wrong, and should be accountable for having sex with a child.

Unless you hold him accountable, you open the door for any pedophile to get off scott free in the name of blaming the victim.

[quote]forlife wrote:
MaddyD wrote:
You seem to think that a child can get a free pass simply because of age,and also you seem to be saying in your posts that the parents of the girl and the girl herself are in no way at fault.

Where did you get that idea? I think a child should be held accountable for her actions, based on what can be reasonably expected given her maturity level. I never said she should get a free pass.

What I did say was that the adult was in the wrong, and should be accountable for having sex with a child.

Unless you hold him accountable, you open the door for any pedophile to get off scott free in the name of blaming the victim.[/quote]

I see.I misunderstood your posts is all.
But is the child really a victim? I think that is whats happening here a predator is getting away with it blaming the victim who is now in prison.
I mean honestly this is 2 times in a row now,

now just because she is 13 doesnot mean she dosent know what shes doing.
I mean i heard stories from my grandfather working in a matress factory at age 10, I know different times but still his story is not odd at all.

I myself moved out on my own at 14,I was able to live on my own with help from friends of course but I knew what i was doing.

and I have a 15 year old sister, and some of her friends that are 13-15 some of them can very easy pass for 18-19 or so.

I think this is a messed up situation all the way around really.

I think the reason we have made restrictions now and in the past regarding female sexual behavior stems from the fact that women are the undeniable parent of their children whereas in the case of men it is not necessarily certain. It’s because of this that the property of virginity becomes valuable in the sense that it is the best guarantee that a man’s children are his own, that his progeny are his property.

Before the idea of scarcity the idea of property was not such a huge deal and primative men would presumably court primative women based on visual evaluation without consultation to the earth’s revolving passage around the sun. Presumably children of that era before man had moved to colder and harsher climates would have been exposed to the nakedness of other members of the species also presumably without ill effects mentally or emotionally.

As groups of early human beings became more condensed and their reliance on domesticated food sources more evident and with it the concept of scarcity, so too did they perceive each other as resources to be domesticated. The concept of virginity became something of value and sexual behavior at this time fell under a social system of control.

Take for example the Bonobo (also known as the Pygmy Chimpanzee) where their relatively peaceful and more openly sexual behavior in comparison to the closely related chimpanzees living across the congo river has been attributed to the abundance of nutritious vegetation in their particular region of the jungle.

A lot of our modern behaviour I think is taken for granted and not called under scrutiny like this. As a result a lot of what we do flies in the face of our biological nature, such as repulsion toward nudity and sexuality except under limited circumstances.

Any honest man or woman can recall being below the age of consent and being attracted at that time to their peers of the opposite sex (ruling out homosexuality for a moment here), finding their features desirable for reasons that biologists can easily explain. Visual signposts displaying youth and vitality are themselves considered indicators of attraction which coupled with indicators of sexual maturity are preeminently desirable. Crows feet do not become more desirable as we age, nor do women with increasing signs of androgenic features, nor men with appearances of reduced virility. But their are societal limitations in place that limit the degree to which we are comfortable admitting to these realities.

In the animal world infants and juvenile’s are often involved in sexual behavior such as the aforementioned bonobo.

All I’m trying to say here is that a lot of people like to forget that Juliet was thirteen and Romeo was 18. Edgar Allen Poe isn’t spoken about primarily as an incestuous pedophile either. It seems like people no longer see human sexuality in biological perspective.

As a so called “victim” of childhood molestation myself I would like to make it clear that more than the acts themselves it is the shame concerning these acts which causes damage if any, rather than the acts themselves, and that shame arises from our societies treatment of this behavior. I am able to see that in perspective.

In this situation I wouldn’t fault the girl for her libido or the man for his just like I wouldn’t condemn Romeo or Juliet (not saying that the relationship is completely analogous). I can think of a lot of other more vicious things people are doing that I’d be worried about than people satisfying reproductive urges consensually regardless of what gender or age. Sex just doesn’t scare me that much.

When you say “child” you have to be careful with the context. Youre talking about a 13 year old who knew what she was doing. This is not a 7 or 8 year old we are talking about, because we all know a 7 or 8 year old doesnt have the state of mind at that point to plan somethig like this.

This has happened twice and unless something is done, may happen again. I blame political correctness because if a public official were to fault the girl in ANY way then he or she could expect a horrible backlash from several feminists groups because the “victim” is never at fault no matter what!

Somebody has to be blamed, so since its politically incorrect to blame the girl, the only one left is the guy.

And think of it this way, if the man in question knew the girls real age, why did he go to the girls father and tell him what happened? That alone should clear up any suspicions of his intent.

[quote]forlife wrote:
MaddyD wrote:
You seem to think that a child can get a free pass simply because of age,and also you seem to be saying in your posts that the parents of the girl and the girl herself are in no way at fault.

Where did you get that idea? I think a child should be held accountable for her actions, based on what can be reasonably expected given her maturity level. I never said she should get a free pass.

What I did say was that the adult was in the wrong, and should be accountable for having sex with a child.

Unless you hold him accountable, you open the door for any pedophile to get off scott free in the name of blaming the victim.[/quote]

The crime has to do alot with intent, pedophiles actively seek out children. Actually a true pedophile prefers pre-teen children, the term pedophile has been misused by the media. A pediphile schemes and devises ways to meet and seduce children. This clearly did not happen in this case.