12wk Cycle Advice - Test/Dbol/Winny

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Hi! I’m looking at adding some orals to my next cycle starting here in a month or so. The only cycle I have experience with is 500mg test e/week for 12 weeks. Previous cycles have all been healthy and successful, the only thing I have some issues with is acne on my chest and back but I’m working on ways of managing that. I’m looking for lean gains from a moderate cycle. The cycle I have in mind is as follows:

Week 1-12 - Test E, 500mg/week (pin e3d)

Week 1-4 - DBol, 30mg ED (oral)

Week 9-12 - Winstrol, 50mg ED (oral)

PCT is nolva (2 weeks after last Test pin), 40mg ED for 2 weeks, 20mg ED for 2 more weeks.

I will likely use Adex as an AI - I generally run through .5mg E3D and seem to be comfortable there, but I will dose in accordance with blood results.

My biggest concerns:

  1. Am I incorporating too many orals in one cycle? I plan on taking a liver cleanser during the orals just to be safe.

  2. Can I use winny during the 2 weeks from my last pin to the start of PCT? That would mean I would effectively be running a 50mg ED dose for 5 weeks, but because I’m using test e I figured the testosterone would still be saturated.

I’ve been doing research regarding sides for both oral compounds so I have a general idea of what to expect, but I’d really like to hear some personal anecdotes regarding each substance.

For reference: I’m 25, 6’1", 196lbs, around 11%bf. I probably won’t start the cycle until I cut down to 9%.

Thank you in advance for any advice!

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I don’t like extended use of orals or more than one per cycle. Just a personal preference. Dbol is one of my favorite orals. I’ve never tried Winstrol and likely won’t due to the side effects most people get. If it were me I would run a test/dbol only cycle. I’ve used it as a kick start only myself but there has been a good write up by @iron_yuppie advocating for its use at the end of the cycle. And yes you can run it up to your PCT as its half life is only 4-6 hours.

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Beautiful. Thanks!

After reading Iron_yuppie’s topic, it make sense to run dbol at the end of the cycle in terms of size retention. My biggest concern was ending the cycle with a lot of extra bloat/water retention which is what I wanted winny to help with. However, I’ve never had much an issue with bloat during my test only cycles so I’m sure it can be managed. I’d rather bust my ass in the gym than fuck over my liver or deal with those winny sides so I’ll probably just cut it out entirely.

Thank you again for your input!

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