No one on this board needs Tren, and I mean no one. The risk you are taking and putting your liver & kidneys through isn’t worth it. Some of the stuff you guys recommend is ridiculous, even competitors don’t need it, maybe at the national level but even then. Please stop with the 531 too, it’s not even remotely ideal for hypertrophy, in fact I’ll go as far as saying any lift with a barbell is useless for hypertrophy. Stop pushing squats, deads, and bench there are so many better choices for muscle hypertrophy, if you’re a powerlfter then that’s another story. @Truthraider is right, go watch Leo and Longevity and learn, the longer you’re in the game the more gains you’ll be able to make.
This must be a bit of hyperbole. Maybe you mean other stuff can work better? I can partly agree with that, but I think building a base of strength with the barbell is pretty useful long term. I also just think long term it is harder to build up a base of strength without using the big compound movements and their variations. When I think of my favorite BBers, all of them were pretty darn good with the good ol’ barbell (Arnold, Franco, Ronnie, Yates).
I am no BBer, but I for sure got a lot of size switching from BBing style training to Powerlifting. I am up probably close to 15 lbs of muscle over the 4-5 years of strength training.
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This is a very silly, 1-dimensional way to look at things. Just because it works for YOU and is best for YOU does not mean with will work for everyone, or that anyone is even remotely interested in training the way you do.
Not everyone prioritizes hypertrophy as their top priority. Some people prefer barbell lifts to machine lifts. Not everyone has to do have their lifting journey your way.
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Agreed. Also appreciate you discussing the difference between BB and powerlifting. A lot of BB’s are strong but that’s not necessarily where the hypertrophy is coming from. Kai Greene’s got a lot of great thoughts about the difference between the two. BBing is about hypertrophy, not the amount of weight. Truth be told I do barbell work since most is from home these days but in the gym I prioritize isolation after compound movements. As I got older and incorporated more isolation and less compound movements, after a base of strength was built, I got more size out of higher reps concentrating on max contraction and not moving weight. But, I’m sure I would have added a lot of weight over the years had I continued on the core compound movements. All about personal goals.
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Also, OP hasn’t done anything on this thread in months that was reactivated recently, maybe its his liver…
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No one actually needs test also. Its a matter of WANT, not need. No one needs to go to the gym at all…
Most times we recomend NOT to take anything.
When someone comes with a cycle plan, then we mostly recomend sticking to low to moderate dose test only.
It is very rare when we just talk about some crazy shit, but that is crazy shit, not smart shit and i havent seen anyone actually RECOMENDING to take something crazy. This just shows you have no clue about what are you talking about now.
Unless this competitor is saving lives or earning millions, being a competitor is a hobby, which is in no way different than NOT being one.
One competes on stage, others compete with themselves. Just filling some papers and entering a competition, for which most times you actually pay yourself, is not an excuse to take more steroids. Again - its a matter of WANT, not NEED and it is cool.
Now this is shit advice.
NO… 531 phylosophy should be rudimentary even in schools. It teaches men to be men. Being strong and athletic, with a strong mindset.
Hypertrophy without athleticism is useless… Its like wearing TAPOUT shirt and not knowing how to fight - its just idiotic.
Are you friggin crazy? Those movements make people better people. What are these better movements? Machines who are made for cripples and 80 year olds?
Dude, if a grown man doesnt bench, dead and squat, i am sure as hell, he can be broken in half by any drunk agressor.
If you want to stand in your thong on a stage and be admired by 5 old dudes who judge your “back double bent over penetration position” its fine, i understand that it is hard to look like that, but god is it wrong to advice anyone to stop pushing squats and deads.
Its not all about your butt in a thong, dude. Yes, its 21st century and physical strenght is not so important anymore, but looking good in shiny undies is still less necessary virtue for a man, than strenght and athleticism is.
This comment of yours could easily be named “The Demise of Men” and i am shocked that anyone would actually say something so stupid as to - stop pushing squats…
Not doing squats is the reason why many old people have problems getting out of a chair.
Im not talking about powerlifting. I am talking about basic movement patterns that we all need in life. There are 6 movements that are 200% necessary for a human being physically…Vertical pull. Horizontal pull. Vertical Push. Horizontal Push. Squat. Hip Hinge. Your biceps doesnt impress anyone if you are basically worthless in any physical activity in life.
The fact that you would advice someone to NOT squat but work for pointless hypertrophy is just as idiotic as telling someone to take tren.
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The competing justification doesn’t make sense to me either. Like it is okay if there is a trophy and a tub of protein on the line lol. People use them because they want to, very very few actually have financial justification to use them.
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Yes, i find it funny how some people think that just because they paid for entering some low end competition, everything they do somehow becomes better and more important than anyone else. Its a hobby you chose and paid for - its exactly the same as NOT entering a competition.
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The big 3 isn’t the end all be all and machines aren’t for decrepid old people. But we should train them because if you don’t do those you can’t defend yourself or stand up out of a chair. I have my opinion and you have yours. You just stoop to attacking me because I don’t agree. You guys have a clique here and circle jerk each other because you agree sorry I don’t. Good job on 2 years of tren, keep checking those liver and kidney values. Peace out
No, its exactly the oposite.
You started attacking everyone because you dont agree - you started to throw around agressive statements.
I just answered to you in the same tone you started this discussion.
I would have explained my exact tought in much more respectable way if you wouldnt have started the way you did. I just threw an agressive oposing opinion back at yours.
You said - stop pushing squats. I said - stop pushing thongs and oiled legs.
Boths statements are agressive, and idiotic. But it seemed like the way you wanted to talk 
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Just want to take a minute to admire the fact that Hank wrote this epic takedown and English is his third language. You’re a fucking legend, man.
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Thought the same thing and I love his demeanor. Very creative with the hyperbole, too.
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500mg test a week for first cycle??? Don’t knw who recommended tht but tht is way too much.
Literally the recommended first cycle across the board within the steroid world. I don’t know how you concluded that it’s “way too much” but it’s about the most well tolerated dose you can take that also allows for enough growth to justify the overall risk.
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That is the part that the group pushing the low dose (250 mg/wk) cycles is missing. Most of them haven’t actually cycled yet, so they think the juice is more magical than it is, and that 250 mg/wk will yield the results that they would actually need a gram to get. We get guys saying they gained 20 lbs on a 250 mg/wk cycle, but there never seems to be before or after pictures with these cycles. I believe that they gained 20 lbs, but it’s not a great 20 lbs.
Then you try the stuff, and realize that if you are going to do it, then you need to actually do it if you want results. I am not saying you need to run 2 grams total, but there is a reason why the most developed guys take the dosages they do.
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Hey bro. Random question but I’m on my first cycle and noticing my arms go dead really easy. Like I can be sitting there eating dinner resting my arms on the table and my arms go numb like pins and needles sorta numb.??? It’s real noticable. And only just started happening sinse I started cycle. Even holding the phone long enough to write this post is making my fingers go numb. Still seem to have good circulation in finger tips etc. Just curious thts all
Not Hank, but it probably isn’t circulation. It is probably a nerve issue. I get this if I don’t move my arms enough. I think I have some impingement in the shoulders that I am working on. It can be brutal sleeping. I won’t be laying on an arm funny or anything, and it goes totally numb, and wake me up. Hope it aint the diabetes.
Shoulders and traps seem to grow the most on anabolics. That could be the cause of a new impingement.
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What are you taking (compound and dosages) for your first cycle?
Yea I’m on 400 test and 15 dbol… And yes I now know I probably shoulda left the. Dbol out of a first cycle
I only notice I get it when my arms are resting in something. But not heavily resting or leaning on them. Just the weight of my arm will make it happen. ( And my arms ain’t exactly massive) loll