10wk Test E Big Frontload

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[quote]riceERYDAY wrote:
OK guys, got all my gear. Running the proposed cycle, slightly different from origional…

WK 1 : Test E 1500mg/week (frontload)
WK 2- 15 : Test E 750mg/week
WK 1-4 : Dbol 60mg/ed

Will be following prisoners test/taper protocol as it seems interesting and makes a lot of sense to me…

Week 16-22 [6 weeks] (waiting period) : Test E 100mg/week

Week 22-28 [6 weeks] (Taper Phase) : mg/ week: 80mg / 60mg/ 50mg/ 40mg/ 30 mg/ 20mg.

Will be running AI’s, serms and HCG along with all of this. AI tapers off in the waiting period.

Have i got the test taper protocol correct?

If so, then lets do this!
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From my understanding before starting the stasis or waiting period, you would wait a period of time to allow your blood levels to drop to around the 100mg range and then start the stasis portion. Since your running 750mg a week, I would wait 18 days after your last pin to start the stasis portion. I’ve never used the stasis/taper but this is my understanding of it.

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[quote]BUDs wrote:
From my understanding before starting the stasis or waiting period, you would wait a period of time to allow your blood levels to drop to around the 100mg range and then start the stasis portion. Since your running 750mg a week, I would wait 18 days after your last pin to start the stasis portion. I’ve never used the stasis/taper but this is my understanding of it.
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Hmmm…

'So to put it all together using testosterone enanthatate dose split into biweekly injections:

Cycle ends, stop hcg if using,

start Waiting peroid:

Week 1-6 or 1-4: Test E 100mg per week ‘’

To me this suggests starting the stasis period right after your last week of cycle…

Anyone who is familiar or has done the test/taper protocol before care to shed some light?

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The whole point of pinning 100mg a week is to allow your body to Kick in and start producing test, this being based on that you won’t be suppressed at 100mg a week. Now before you start the taper portion you want your body to have been producing test naturally. By starting the next week after your cycle your not allowing your blood levels to drop in time to allow your body sometime to start again before the taper.

Now by waiting before you begin the stasis portion you allow your levels to drop enough for the stasis to be effective. Again, I’ve never done this method, just throwing out some theories here.

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[quote]BUDs wrote:
The whole point of pinning 100mg a week is to allow your body to Kick in and start producing test, this being based on that you won’t be suppressed at 100mg a week. Now before you start the taper portion you want your body to have been producing test naturally. By starting the next week after your cycle your not allowing your blood levels to drop in time to allow your body sometime to start again before the taper.

Now by waiting before you begin the stasis portion you allow your levels to drop enough for the stasis to be effective. Again, I’ve never done this method, just throwing out some theories here. [/quote]

So how long do you wait between your last ctcle dosage pin and the 100mg pin in the stasis phase? im finding it hard to understand what your saying haha

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[quote]BUDs wrote:

[quote]riceERYDAY wrote:

Yes this was my thought exactly. I dont know how il do it, possibly with the use of mirrors? Quad pip is hillarious, first time i got it i felt like 70 years older, limping about haha

[quote]yeah Deca dick is caused by prolactin, caber sorts it out but I think I’ve escaped it this time around. I have a fiancee, and she’s well out of my league as it is so impotence certainly won’t do me any favours…

Prolactin can also cause gyno, and my biggest steroid side fear: lactation! The very idea is just so gross! Some people are more sensitive to it than others, and I don’t seem to be one of the sensitive ones.

go on, share the shoulder pin story… [/quote]

Well is your NPP dose quite low? that should help if it is, again i dont know enough about deca dosage. Ah… good thing about the viagra then!

Well i was due to pin my right delt, when my girlfriend decides to come over unexpectedly. I go to the toilet and lock the door, and do my usual injection protocols, aspirate… in… inject…wait for around 2 mins… and i slowly pull it out, as soon as the needle left the shoulder a fountain of blood erupted from the site! blood was all down my walls, leaking down my arm and all on the floor! Started freaking out as i dont really want her to know about it so i try to stop the bleeding and clean up at the same time. Eventually stopped after i put about 8 plasters on it. What a scare that was for me lol but now i think about the fountain of blood it was pretty awesome![/quote]

Haha I like the fact that your more worried about your girl finding out then the blood squirting out of your arm! LOL[/quote]

My girl knows I run cycles. But one time I was pinning some test in my glute right before bed in our bathroom, and I didn’t realize that when I pulled the needle out that I had sprayed blood alllllllll over the floor (it must have taken a second to come out after I pulled out the needle). In the morning…my dog had blood on his face. I freaked out, thought he was hurt. Turns out he was just cleaning up my mess so my fiance didn’t murder me. Same dog swallowed a tied off condom full of jizz…man’s best friend indeed.

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[quote]BUDs wrote:

[quote]riceERYDAY wrote:

Yes this was my thought exactly. I dont know how il do it, possibly with the use of mirrors? Quad pip is hillarious, first time i got it i felt like 70 years older, limping about haha

[quote]yeah Deca dick is caused by prolactin, caber sorts it out but I think I’ve escaped it this time around. I have a fiancee, and she’s well out of my league as it is so impotence certainly won’t do me any favours…

Prolactin can also cause gyno, and my biggest steroid side fear: lactation! The very idea is just so gross! Some people are more sensitive to it than others, and I don’t seem to be one of the sensitive ones.

go on, share the shoulder pin story… [/quote]

Well is your NPP dose quite low? that should help if it is, again i dont know enough about deca dosage. Ah… good thing about the viagra then!

Well i was due to pin my right delt, when my girlfriend decides to come over unexpectedly. I go to the toilet and lock the door, and do my usual injection protocols, aspirate… in… inject…wait for around 2 mins… and i slowly pull it out, as soon as the needle left the shoulder a fountain of blood erupted from the site! blood was all down my walls, leaking down my arm and all on the floor! Started freaking out as i dont really want her to know about it so i try to stop the bleeding and clean up at the same time. Eventually stopped after i put about 8 plasters on it. What a scare that was for me lol but now i think about the fountain of blood it was pretty awesome![/quote]

Haha I like the fact that your more worried about your girl finding out then the blood squirting out of your arm! LOL[/quote]

fountain of blood doesnt sound too great

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[quote]riceERYDAY wrote:

[quote]BUDs wrote:
The whole point of pinning 100mg a week is to allow your body to Kick in and start producing test, this being based on that you won’t be suppressed at 100mg a week. Now before you start the taper portion you want your body to have been producing test naturally. By starting the next week after your cycle your not allowing your blood levels to drop in time to allow your body sometime to start again before the taper.

Now by waiting before you begin the stasis portion you allow your levels to drop enough for the stasis to be effective. Again, I’ve never done this method, just throwing out some theories here. [/quote]

So how long do you wait between your last ctcle dosage pin and the 100mg pin in the stasis phase? im finding it hard to understand what your saying haha[/quote]

Sorry not the very best at explaining things through writing.

Ok I read somewhere (ill try and find the link) that before you start the stasis portion or the waiting period as you like to call it, you would wait 2 weeks after your last cycle pin and the first pin of the stasis portion.

In your case since your running 750mg a week you would wait longer than 2 weeks, more like 18 days. Look at it like your going into pct, where you would wait between your last pin and the start of pct.

I think in furious George’s newbie thread it says to wait after your last pin and the first pin of the stasis period. The theory in this is it allows your blood levels to drop to the 100mg range where when you would begin the stasis it will be more effective.

If you start the week after your last pin you will still have high levels of test in your body and if you keep injecting 100mg a week it’s going to take longer to get down to the 100mg range where your body will start to produce naturally again.

You might want to look further into this.

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[quote]BUDs wrote:

[quote]riceERYDAY wrote:

[quote]BUDs wrote:
The whole point of pinning 100mg a week is to allow your body to Kick in and start producing test, this being based on that you won’t be suppressed at 100mg a week. Now before you start the taper portion you want your body to have been producing test naturally. By starting the next week after your cycle your not allowing your blood levels to drop in time to allow your body sometime to start again before the taper.

Now by waiting before you begin the stasis portion you allow your levels to drop enough for the stasis to be effective. Again, I’ve never done this method, just throwing out some theories here. [/quote]

So how long do you wait between your last ctcle dosage pin and the 100mg pin in the stasis phase? im finding it hard to understand what your saying haha[/quote]

Sorry not the very best at explaining things through writing.

Ok I read somewhere (ill try and find the link) that before you start the stasis portion or the waiting period as you like to call it, you would wait 2 weeks after your last cycle pin and the first pin of the stasis portion.

In your case since your running 750mg a week you would wait longer than 2 weeks, more like 18 days. Look at it like your going into pct, where you would wait between your last pin and the start of pct.

I think in furious George’s newbie thread it says to wait after your last pin and the first pin of the stasis period. The theory in this is it allows your blood levels to drop to the 100mg range where when you would begin the stasis it will be more effective.

If you start the week after your last pin you will still have high levels of test in your body and if you keep injecting 100mg a week it’s going to take longer to get down to the 100mg range where your body will start to produce naturally again.

You might want to look further into this.[/quote]

When you write it out like that i understand what your saying, thanks man.

So you said to wait two weeks after your last cycle pin AND the first pin of the stasis portion? so when should i have my first pin of stasis? just the first week after the cycle? and then wait 2-3 weeks for my test levels to drop, and then begin to inject 100mg a week?

That’s what i’ve got from what you wrote, man i hope ive understood it correctly this time haha

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[quote]rds63799 wrote:

[quote]riceERYDAY wrote:

[quote]rds63799 wrote:

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yeah I’ve no complaints. Was a little worried about Deca dick and spent an ungodly amount of time trying to track down caber (no one I know had even heard of it!) but I’ve not even ended up needing it. It’ll keep for next cycle I suppose.

The deca suppression stories worried me a little, but it’s certainly not anything I’ve noticed so far. I guess PCT will be when I really find out how bad it can get but meh, NPP clears loads faster than deca so I think it’ll be alright. I’ve got a few emergency viagra just in case…

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You do realize that all the viagra pills in the world won’t raise your dick if your hormones are out of wack and your libido is shot don’t you? Read up on Viagra, it only works if you feel sexually aroused.

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[quote]riceERYDAY wrote:

[quote]BUDs wrote:

[quote]riceERYDAY wrote:

[quote]BUDs wrote:
The whole point of pinning 100mg a week is to allow your body to Kick in and start producing test, this being based on that you won’t be suppressed at 100mg a week. Now before you start the taper portion you want your body to have been producing test naturally. By starting the next week after your cycle your not allowing your blood levels to drop in time to allow your body sometime to start again before the taper.

Now by waiting before you begin the stasis portion you allow your levels to drop enough for the stasis to be effective. Again, I’ve never done this method, just throwing out some theories here. [/quote]

So how long do you wait between your last ctcle dosage pin and the 100mg pin in the stasis phase? im finding it hard to understand what your saying haha[/quote]

Sorry not the very best at explaining things through writing.

Ok I read somewhere (ill try and find the link) that before you start the stasis portion or the waiting period as you like to call it, you would wait 2 weeks after your last cycle pin and the first pin of the stasis portion.

In your case since your running 750mg a week you would wait longer than 2 weeks, more like 18 days. Look at it like your going into pct, where you would wait between your last pin and the start of pct.

I think in furious George’s newbie thread it says to wait after your last pin and the first pin of the stasis period. The theory in this is it allows your blood levels to drop to the 100mg range where when you would begin the stasis it will be more effective.

If you start the week after your last pin you will still have high levels of test in your body and if you keep injecting 100mg a week it’s going to take longer to get down to the 100mg range where your body will start to produce naturally again.

You might want to look further into this.[/quote]

When you write it out like that i understand what your saying, thanks man.

So you said to wait two weeks after your last cycle pin AND the first pin of the stasis portion? so when should i have my first pin of stasis? just the first week after the cycle? and then wait 2-3 weeks for my test levels to drop, and then begin to inject 100mg a week?

That’s what i’ve got from what you wrote, man i hope ive understood it correctly this time haha[/quote]

No, you would only wait from your last pin of your cycle to the start of your stasis, but it wouldn’t be two weeks it would be longer because your running 750mg a week.

So basically it’s like this

-last pin of cycle

-wait

-start stasis 100mg

Now I’m not an expert of this method this is what I get from it so I would suggest you look further into the taper method

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[quote]BUDs wrote:

[quote]riceERYDAY wrote:

[quote]BUDs wrote:

[quote]riceERYDAY wrote:

[quote]BUDs wrote:
The whole point of pinning 100mg a week is to allow your body to Kick in and start producing test, this being based on that you won’t be suppressed at 100mg a week. Now before you start the taper portion you want your body to have been producing test naturally. By starting the next week after your cycle your not allowing your blood levels to drop in time to allow your body sometime to start again before the taper.

Now by waiting before you begin the stasis portion you allow your levels to drop enough for the stasis to be effective. Again, I’ve never done this method, just throwing out some theories here. [/quote]

So how long do you wait between your last ctcle dosage pin and the 100mg pin in the stasis phase? im finding it hard to understand what your saying haha[/quote]

Sorry not the very best at explaining things through writing.

Ok I read somewhere (ill try and find the link) that before you start the stasis portion or the waiting period as you like to call it, you would wait 2 weeks after your last cycle pin and the first pin of the stasis portion.

In your case since your running 750mg a week you would wait longer than 2 weeks, more like 18 days. Look at it like your going into pct, where you would wait between your last pin and the start of pct.

I think in furious George’s newbie thread it says to wait after your last pin and the first pin of the stasis period. The theory in this is it allows your blood levels to drop to the 100mg range where when you would begin the stasis it will be more effective.

If you start the week after your last pin you will still have high levels of test in your body and if you keep injecting 100mg a week it’s going to take longer to get down to the 100mg range where your body will start to produce naturally again.

You might want to look further into this.[/quote]

When you write it out like that i understand what your saying, thanks man.

So you said to wait two weeks after your last cycle pin AND the first pin of the stasis portion? so when should i have my first pin of stasis? just the first week after the cycle? and then wait 2-3 weeks for my test levels to drop, and then begin to inject 100mg a week?

That’s what i’ve got from what you wrote, man i hope ive understood it correctly this time haha[/quote]

No, you would only wait from your last pin of your cycle to the start of your stasis, but it wouldn’t be two weeks it would be longer because your running 750mg a week.

So basically it’s like this

-last pin of cycle

-wait

-start stasis 100mg

Now I’m not an expert of this method this is what I get from it so I would suggest you look further into the taper method [/quote]

Right, i got you man, thanks il look around a bit more but what you said makes sense!

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[quote]

No, you would only wait from your last pin of your cycle to the start of your stasis, but it wouldn’t be two weeks it would be longer because your running 750mg a week.

So basically it’s like this

-last pin of cycle

-wait

-start stasis 100mg

Now I’m not an expert of this method this is what I get from it so I would suggest you look further into the taper method [/quote]

That’s how I see it too. BTW you ARE suppressed at 100mg a week. The idea is all other functions besides the HTPA/test axis, like blood volume and red blood cells among many others, will return to normal, so when you get to the taper, you make a smooth recovery as the “body has only to focus” on getting your test production back.

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What results did you notice when frontloading 1g in the first week? Strength? Libido rise?