10wk Test E Big Frontload

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[quote]rds63799 wrote:

[quote]riceERYDAY wrote:

[quote]rds63799 wrote:
I’m not really logging, just using my anavar thread to whine about how much the pumps and cramps are hurting! The cycle’s going well though, bodyweight is up, strength is up, haven’t gained any fat.

As for the supposed healing properties of Deca, I can’t say I’ve noticed any… I dunno, I’m only running 350mg/week so maybe you need to go a bit higher.

I chose prop for this cycle because I figured if I was pinning the NPP eod I might as well do the same for the test. Between the test, NPP and hcg it’s a fuckload of pinning though[/quote]

Well sounds like its going perfectly, minus your cramps haha.
Im not very clued up on deca mostly because ive heard its very suppressive and have avoided it… so I’ve no idea what the dosing protocol is like.

I was going to say surley thats a hell of a lot of pins every week what with the regular test p / NPP and hcg! do you ever mix the deca+test in one syringe to cut down on total pins?

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yeah I’ve no complaints. Was a little worried about Deca dick and spent an ungodly amount of time trying to track down caber (no one I know had even heard of it!) but I’ve not even ended up needing it. It’ll keep for next cycle I suppose.

The deca suppression stories worried me a little, but it’s certainly not anything I’ve noticed so far. I guess PCT will be when I really find out how bad it can get but meh, NPP clears loads faster than deca so I think it’ll be alright. I’ve got a few emergency viagra just in case…

As for the pinning, I’ve had to add delts into the mix, so I’m now pinning glutes and delts. I combine the prop and npp when I pin my glutes but split it up when doing my shoulders as it’s too much oil for my puny delts to handle. It works out that you hit the same site every 6 days which isn’t really that much worse than once a week like if you were doing 2 glute injections a week. Fucking hate pinning my shulders though…
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Thats what i was concerned about haha. Am i right in saying that deca causes a prolactin build up?

Yeah from what i’ve read the deca dick comes in pct, good thing you got some viagra! lol but if it clears fast you should be alright. Plus if you don’t have a girlfriend/wife it doesn’t even matter i guess.

Oh right i see, doesnt sound too bad then, same injection site every 6 days is meant to be the reccomended minimum ive heard so sounds good. I wasn’t too fond of shoulder pins either. Ive had a pretty horrific experience with it if you’d like to hear it lol.

I cycle between delts and quads but im thinking for this cycle il definatley need to learn glutes with that much oil…

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[quote]riceERYDAY wrote:

[quote]rds63799 wrote:

[quote]riceERYDAY wrote:

[quote]rds63799 wrote:
I’m not really logging, just using my anavar thread to whine about how much the pumps and cramps are hurting! The cycle’s going well though, bodyweight is up, strength is up, haven’t gained any fat.

As for the supposed healing properties of Deca, I can’t say I’ve noticed any… I dunno, I’m only running 350mg/week so maybe you need to go a bit higher.

I chose prop for this cycle because I figured if I was pinning the NPP eod I might as well do the same for the test. Between the test, NPP and hcg it’s a fuckload of pinning though[/quote]

Well sounds like its going perfectly, minus your cramps haha.
Im not very clued up on deca mostly because ive heard its very suppressive and have avoided it… so I’ve no idea what the dosing protocol is like.

I was going to say surley thats a hell of a lot of pins every week what with the regular test p / NPP and hcg! do you ever mix the deca+test in one syringe to cut down on total pins?

[/quote]

yeah I’ve no complaints. Was a little worried about Deca dick and spent an ungodly amount of time trying to track down caber (no one I know had even heard of it!) but I’ve not even ended up needing it. It’ll keep for next cycle I suppose.

The deca suppression stories worried me a little, but it’s certainly not anything I’ve noticed so far. I guess PCT will be when I really find out how bad it can get but meh, NPP clears loads faster than deca so I think it’ll be alright. I’ve got a few emergency viagra just in case…

As for the pinning, I’ve had to add delts into the mix, so I’m now pinning glutes and delts. I combine the prop and npp when I pin my glutes but split it up when doing my shoulders as it’s too much oil for my puny delts to handle. It works out that you hit the same site every 6 days which isn’t really that much worse than once a week like if you were doing 2 glute injections a week. Fucking hate pinning my shulders though…
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Thats what i was concerned about haha. Am i right in saying that deca causes a prolactin build up?

Yeah from what i’ve read the deca dick comes in pct, good thing you got some viagra! lol but if it clears fast you should be alright. Plus if you don’t have a girlfriend/wife it doesn’t even matter i guess.

Oh right i see, doesnt sound too bad then, same injection site every 6 days is meant to be the reccomended minimum ive heard so sounds good. I wasn’t too fond of shoulder pins either. Ive had a pretty horrific experience with it if you’d like to hear it lol.

I cycle between delts and quads but im thinking for this cycle il definatley need to learn glutes with that much oil…

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Glute is more awkward than it is hard… honestly no pain at all afterward, maybe a little sensitivity but nothing compared to the good ol’ quad lumps for 2 days after pinning

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[quote]riceERYDAY wrote:

[quote]rds63799 wrote:

[quote]riceERYDAY wrote:

[quote]rds63799 wrote:
I’m not really logging, just using my anavar thread to whine about how much the pumps and cramps are hurting! The cycle’s going well though, bodyweight is up, strength is up, haven’t gained any fat.

As for the supposed healing properties of Deca, I can’t say I’ve noticed any… I dunno, I’m only running 350mg/week so maybe you need to go a bit higher.

I chose prop for this cycle because I figured if I was pinning the NPP eod I might as well do the same for the test. Between the test, NPP and hcg it’s a fuckload of pinning though[/quote]

Well sounds like its going perfectly, minus your cramps haha.
Im not very clued up on deca mostly because ive heard its very suppressive and have avoided it… so I’ve no idea what the dosing protocol is like.

I was going to say surley thats a hell of a lot of pins every week what with the regular test p / NPP and hcg! do you ever mix the deca+test in one syringe to cut down on total pins?

[/quote]

yeah I’ve no complaints. Was a little worried about Deca dick and spent an ungodly amount of time trying to track down caber (no one I know had even heard of it!) but I’ve not even ended up needing it. It’ll keep for next cycle I suppose.

The deca suppression stories worried me a little, but it’s certainly not anything I’ve noticed so far. I guess PCT will be when I really find out how bad it can get but meh, NPP clears loads faster than deca so I think it’ll be alright. I’ve got a few emergency viagra just in case…

As for the pinning, I’ve had to add delts into the mix, so I’m now pinning glutes and delts. I combine the prop and npp when I pin my glutes but split it up when doing my shoulders as it’s too much oil for my puny delts to handle. It works out that you hit the same site every 6 days which isn’t really that much worse than once a week like if you were doing 2 glute injections a week. Fucking hate pinning my shulders though…
[/quote]

Thats what i was concerned about haha. Am i right in saying that deca causes a prolactin build up?

Yeah from what i’ve read the deca dick comes in pct, good thing you got some viagra! lol but if it clears fast you should be alright. Plus if you don’t have a girlfriend/wife it doesn’t even matter i guess.

Oh right i see, doesnt sound too bad then, same injection site every 6 days is meant to be the reccomended minimum ive heard so sounds good. I wasn’t too fond of shoulder pins either. Ive had a pretty horrific experience with it if you’d like to hear it lol.

I cycle between delts and quads but im thinking for this cycle il definatley need to learn glutes with that much oil…
[/quote]

yeah Deca dick is caused by prolactin, caber sorts it out but I think I’ve escaped it this time around. I have a fiancee, and she’s well out of my league as it is so impotence certainly won’t do me any favours…

Prolactin can also cause gyno, and my biggest steroid side fear: lactation! The very idea is just so gross! Some people are more sensitive to it than others, and I don’t seem to be one of the sensitive ones.

go on, share the shoulder pin story…

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Yes this was my thought exactly. I dont know how il do it, possibly with the use of mirrors? Quad pip is hillarious, first time i got it i felt like 70 years older, limping about haha

[quote]yeah Deca dick is caused by prolactin, caber sorts it out but I think I’ve escaped it this time around. I have a fiancee, and she’s well out of my league as it is so impotence certainly won’t do me any favours…

Prolactin can also cause gyno, and my biggest steroid side fear: lactation! The very idea is just so gross! Some people are more sensitive to it than others, and I don’t seem to be one of the sensitive ones.

go on, share the shoulder pin story… [/quote]

Well is your NPP dose quite low? that should help if it is, again i dont know enough about deca dosage. Ah… good thing about the viagra then!

Well i was due to pin my right delt, when my girlfriend decides to come over unexpectedly. I go to the toilet and lock the door, and do my usual injection protocols, aspirate… in… inject…wait for around 2 mins… and i slowly pull it out, as soon as the needle left the shoulder a fountain of blood erupted from the site! blood was all down my walls, leaking down my arm and all on the floor! Started freaking out as i dont really want her to know about it so i try to stop the bleeding and clean up at the same time. Eventually stopped after i put about 8 plasters on it. What a scare that was for me lol but now i think about the fountain of blood it was pretty awesome!

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[quote]riceERYDAY wrote:

Yes this was my thought exactly. I dont know how il do it, possibly with the use of mirrors? Quad pip is hillarious, first time i got it i felt like 70 years older, limping about haha

[quote]yeah Deca dick is caused by prolactin, caber sorts it out but I think I’ve escaped it this time around. I have a fiancee, and she’s well out of my league as it is so impotence certainly won’t do me any favours…

Prolactin can also cause gyno, and my biggest steroid side fear: lactation! The very idea is just so gross! Some people are more sensitive to it than others, and I don’t seem to be one of the sensitive ones.

go on, share the shoulder pin story… [/quote]

Well is your NPP dose quite low? that should help if it is, again i dont know enough about deca dosage. Ah… good thing about the viagra then!

Well i was due to pin my right delt, when my girlfriend decides to come over unexpectedly. I go to the toilet and lock the door, and do my usual injection protocols, aspirate… in… inject…wait for around 2 mins… and i slowly pull it out, as soon as the needle left the shoulder a fountain of blood erupted from the site! blood was all down my walls, leaking down my arm and all on the floor! Started freaking out as i dont really want her to know about it so i try to stop the bleeding and clean up at the same time. Eventually stopped after i put about 8 plasters on it. What a scare that was for me lol but now i think about the fountain of blood it was pretty awesome![/quote]

Haha I like the fact that your more worried about your girl finding out then the blood squirting out of your arm! LOL

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hahah yeah, later i found out i must of nicked a blood vessel either on the way in or out. Ordering my gear this week, tempted to get some anavar as ive got a strongman comp coming up…

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Oh, and im extending the cycle by 2 weeks as im getting 300mg/ml test e rather than 250mg/ml.

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[quote]riceERYDAY wrote:

hahah yeah, later i found out i must of nicked a blood vessel either on the way in or out. Ordering my gear this week, tempted to get some anavar as ive got a strongman comp coming up…[/quote]

If you got a strongman coming up, go dbol !, i would.

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wouldn’t be the Highlands Strongest Man would it?

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[quote]BUDs wrote:

[quote]riceERYDAY wrote:

hahah yeah, later i found out i must of nicked a blood vessel either on the way in or out. Ordering my gear this week, tempted to get some anavar as ive got a strongman comp coming up…[/quote]

If you got a strongman coming up, go dbol !, i would.[/quote]

I used dbol last cycle and for some reason i wasn’t very happy with it, perhaps it was bunk, or maybe my body just doesnt respond well to it?

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[quote]rds63799 wrote:
wouldn’t be the Highlands Strongest Man would it?[/quote]

Hahah nope :stuck_out_tongue:

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Ok so im extending the cycle to 12 weeks. Im also able to get a 300mg/ml : 10ml vial of eq, would it even be worth running it at 450mg per week for the last 6 weeks?

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[quote]riceERYDAY wrote:
Ok so im extending the cycle to 12 weeks. Im also able to get a 300mg/ml : 10ml vial of eq, would it even be worth running it at 450mg per week for the last 6 weeks?[/quote]

I wouldn’t. I would get more and run it next cycle. Atleast 10-12 weeks

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Too Riceeveryday. I take what you say and give you my respect. Too the other fellow.Buds the testosterone is one thing. My endrocrinologist wasent all that concerned about the 500mgs i take every 14-days,but as for Noladex(Tamoxafin) a drug ordered to treat breast cancer that is another thing. WE,uincluding you and I,Me really dont know the longterm affects of taking Cancer drugs for Cosmetic purposes.The endo was concerned about me taking Arimedex,as im 53 and actually need estrogen for bone health.The dr. approved clomid for pituitary stimilation to get the endocrine system going. One last thing BUDS i dont call you names and would appreciate the same respect.I am man enough to listen to a difference of opinion,but why.Why the mean spirited calling me a washed-up Loser.Buds I am available too meet you and discuss any outside issue`s.Im 53 6-2 and 250,moreover call me a loser in person.I live in Toronto and train " Coutere Gym.The gym has a ring.

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[quote]johnny k53 wrote:
Too Riceeveryday. I take what you say and give you my respect. Too the other fellow.Buds the testosterone is one thing. My endrocrinologist wasent all that concerned about the 500mgs i take every 14-days,but as for Noladex(Tamoxafin) a drug ordered to treat breast cancer that is another thing. WE,uincluding you and I,Me really dont know the longterm affects of taking Cancer drugs for Cosmetic purposes.The endo was concerned about me taking Arimedex,as im 53 and actually need estrogen for bone health.The dr. approved clomid for pituitary stimilation to get the endocrine system going. One last thing BUDS i dont call you names and would appreciate the same respect.I am man enough to listen to a difference of opinion,but why.Why the mean spirited calling me a washed-up Loser.Buds I am available too meet you and discuss any outside issue`s.Im 53 6-2 and 250,moreover call me a loser in person.I live in Toronto and train " Coutere Gym.The gym has a ring.[/quote]

Cool, good to know.

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[quote]johnny k53 wrote:
Too Rice: All the commentary is Bro-science. The Know it all that said you have to run Clomid and noladex is just a kid? do your own research and come to your own conclusions.We trained back in the day with no clomid,or noladex and nobody was wineing.Ask the guy why you have too use both? and ask him for a medical reason.The problem with Bro-Science is all those fool’s follow the same protocal. they take drug’s for symtom’s they don’t have.People take all kinds of medications,do you think they take every conceivable side affect drug. You can buy a book and learn. all the best john[/quote]

You recommend 1 or 2 mg of of Adex PER DAY and then rant about fucking bro science? You are by far the biggest joke on this forum, and that is considering that Rogue Vampire still posts here. My god I feel sorry for any schmuck that listens to your retarded advice. Go back to the retirement home gramps, your alzehimers is showing.

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[quote]johnny k53 wrote:
Too Riceeveryday. I take what you say and give you my respect. Too the other fellow.Buds the testosterone is one thing. My endrocrinologist wasent all that concerned about the 500mgs i take every 14-days,but as for Noladex(Tamoxafin) a drug ordered to treat breast cancer that is another thing. WE,uincluding you and I,Me really dont know the longterm affects of taking Cancer drugs for Cosmetic purposes.The endo was concerned about me taking Arimedex,as im 53 and actually need estrogen for bone health.The dr. approved clomid for pituitary stimilation to get the endocrine system going. One last thing BUDS i dont call you names and would appreciate the same respect.I am man enough to listen to a difference of opinion,but why.Why the mean spirited calling me a washed-up Loser.Buds I am available too meet you and discuss any outside issue`s.Im 53 6-2 and 250,moreover call me a loser in person.I live in Toronto and train " Coutere Gym.The gym has a ring.[/quote]

Cliff Notes:
-Don’t take cancer drugs
-My doc prescribed me a cancer drug and I’m taking it
-Herp derp herp derp herp derp lets fight

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I’LL FIGHT YOU JOHNNY

BRRRRRING IT!

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[quote]johnny k53 wrote:
Too Rice: All the commentary is Bro-science. The Know it all that said you have to run Clomid and noladex is just a kid? do your own research and come to your own conclusions.We trained back in the day with no clomid,or noladex and nobody was wineing.Ask the guy why you have too use both? and ask him for a medical reason.The problem with Bro-Science is all those fool’s follow the same protocal. they take drug’s for symtom’s they don’t have.People take all kinds of medications,do you think they take every conceivable side affect drug. You can buy a book and learn. all the best john[/quote]

never give advice again. or ima keep “wineing” brah.

EDIT: You seem to of gotten the grasp of clomiph and tamo having different functions on the body. So why exactly can they not be used in the same PCT? Care to post any actual scientific based reasoning? As you’ve said clomid stimulates LH production, so why not low dose clomid while esters clear in conjunction with an AI, followed by nolva allowing test and e levels to return to baseline in unison.

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OK guys, got all my gear. Running the proposed cycle, slightly different from origional…

WK 1 : Test E 1500mg/week (frontload)
WK 2- 15 : Test E 750mg/week
WK 1-4 : Dbol 60mg/ed

Will be following prisoners test/taper protocol as it seems interesting and makes a lot of sense to me…

Week 16-22 [6 weeks] (waiting period) : Test E 100mg/week

Week 22-28 [6 weeks] (Taper Phase) : mg/ week: 80mg / 60mg/ 50mg/ 40mg/ 30 mg/ 20mg.

Will be running AI’s, serms and HCG along with all of this. AI tapers off in the waiting period.

Have i got the test taper protocol correct?

If so, then lets do this!