I mean, there’s probably a nicer way to say this but unfortunately I don’t posses the necessary personality to express it as such. So I’ll go with my version which is this: stop being a pussy. Injections are the easy part of this thing. Get insulin needles that are no bigger than 29g and 1/2” and just do it into delts. Lats work as well. A subQ leak can be painful, but with the right insulin needle (and if you’re not fat) deltoid injections end up being shallow IM rather than subQ.
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Just to note, I’ve never had a high HCT/HBP from T alone, even in high dosages.
Acne, fluid retention, excess body hair, autonomic dysfunction yes… but not hypertension, pronounced dyslipidemia, high HCT etc. Side effects differ from person to person
I’m sure viagra and coke help
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This isn’t an appropriate rebuttal within scientific debate. The goal is to be civil and respect individualistically harboured opinions, particularly if they’re backed by a significant body of data. Resorting to an attack on ones character isn’t a valid counterargument, if anything it discredits the individual resorting to ad hominem attacks.
Medicine is a very broad field that covers a wide spectrum of disorders/conditions. In order to keep the health of the populace relatively in line with the amount of funding medical facilities receive, a certain amount of attention must be catered towards X condition as perceived by severity and frequency. Aside from a stigma, testosterone doesn’t receive all that much attention because IMO a man with a TT of 400ng/dl isn’t as pressing as a man with multiple sclerosis, or a man with cancer, rheumatoid arthritis etc. One may denounce the so-called “sick care model” but I can’t see any alternative of which would be more efficient.
If one can shell out the cash, private treatment for testosterone replacement is superior, but otherwise there are a body of men who function on 250mg e2w, Androgel, reandron etc. Note I say “function” as they aren’t optimally treated.These protocols aren’t killing people left and right, the medical field (public healthcare) can only cover so much ground at any given time and thus some people have to settle for adequate as opposed to optimal.
Unfortunately this is fairly mainstream. Age related/subclinical hypogonadism isn’t a formally recognised condition. Typically papers looking at the pharmacokinetics of new testosterone preparations want men with underlying, solidified medical pathology (i.e severely hypogonadal men/men who have a clear cut, identifiable organic cause).
Look at Australia, you need a TT (FT doesn’t matter) of below 174ng/dl for PBS subsidised testosterone replacement. We have arguably the strictest regulations/restrictions over testosterone prescribing in the world. Barriers to entry isn’t a valid reason to denounce/discredit a study. Stringent cut-offs don’t equate to a lack of significance present within given literature.
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Why is nobody talking about the fucking face bloat at all? I have such a beautiful face and trt makes me hella ugly.
@dbossa if you feel good on 250 mg it is maybe because you have high shbg? Because mine is around 18 and as soon as I go over 80 mg I get E2 sides.
I am really thinking about quitting the shit because of the fucking bloat!
Are you injecting daily or per week? I am on 50 mg right now as well divided 2 times a week. Still have bloat bit feel kinda shit. Before I was 100 mg divided 2 times a week and my numbers where high
I’d feel a lot better about those studies if this range was more like 500-1000ng. Maybe that’s just me
I don’t like this either. Facial aesthetics are adversely affected (for me) at around 150mg+/wk
My SHBG is 18-20. TRT dose is anywhere from 250-300 per week. Zero water retention. Zero bloat. Zero symptoms or side effects other than a touch of acne on my upper arms and back.
It’s not E2 sides you’re getting with 80mg a week. That’s bro science. You’re extremely sensitive to androgens so you need a tiny dose like some of the other guys in here. Nothing to do with estradiol.
Your SHBG is the same as mine and I don’t feel well on twice weekly injections if that is any help. Currently inject EOD.
Within the medical community normalcy within relation to ref ranges = within 2 SD of the mean value
Face bloat happens to some but not many. If anything, it should level out and a chiseled appearance is the norm. HCG made my face a little bloated but high doses of T dont affect me that way
So 2 weeks ago I switched to 50 mg a week. And I don’t have Libido at all. That’s too less I know. But I desperately tried to get rid of the face bloat. Don’t see any difference to be honest.
Should I go back to 80 mg and inject eod?
Do you think that makes me get rid of the blood shit?
Here are my numbers at 100 mg divided in 2 times a week .
Peak the day after Injection:
Total t: 8.82. 2,50 - 8.40
Free T : 27.68. 6.30 - 17
E2: 49. 11 - 43
Here my through numbers before the next injection E2 way high.
Total T: 7.95 ( only slightly declined)
Free T 25.95. Still high
E2 : 74!!
Free androgen index is 159. 104 was the highest number of the lab. So a high androgen index. What does that mean?
I felt very good on that protocol. I tried it only for 1 month before I decided to switch to 50 mg.
But as I said before the face bloat was my Problem
So I am unlucky then?
The only reason I am on trt is because I want to have enough test between my cycles. I never use testosterone on cycles. Its one of the shittiest steroids I’m terms of aesthetic in middle east.
So that’s the only reason why I want to stay on a minimum of it. I don’t need high numbers. But I have to stay on it for the rest of my life because I don’t believe my Hormon system will come back
Can you kindly include units of measurement.
What do you mean by that? The reference range?
Total T is 8.82? 8.82 of what unit of measurement?
Ah I don’t have the measurements right now. I. An post them tomorrow. I am not at home right now. But all numbers were high
I guess ng/dl?!?
No. My total is over 1000 ng/dL and yours is 8.82.
I will ASSUME it is 882 ng/dL. You don’t have the units of measurement indicated?
I have it at home. I just have the numbers on my phone now. But I will post them tomorrow so you can see.
But the lab said all numbers were high especially E2. So you don’t think they are high?