To get the voices to stop my suggestion would be to try 1mg anastrozole for every voice you hear. Up that dose to 2mg of anastrozole if you start having conversations with the voices.
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Give it time and keep learning! It is a constant evolution.
TOT land wants to help guys who need protection and an alternative from the “inept” physicians. What i wonder is who will protect a reasonable fraction of those guys from TOT land?
Take iodine if it’s more than 3 different voices.
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Great. What about the people that are hurt? Needlessly hurt.
A little knowledge is a dangerous thing. Danny seems treatment resistant to understanding what optimization means or entails.
Truly evil videos in the context of medical ethics even if well meaning. Given he surrounds himself with physicians the advice he gives is unethical and has been for a while. Guess why? Because he is only as good (knowledge wise) as the latest unethical physician / provider he runs with.
Cliff’s Notes
You can do this without labs
Why be average? Hmm i wonder why?
Run fT up to 50 ng/dl if needed for symptom relief
Gives false hope that many/most/alot are optimal at 30-50 ng/dl fT
No discussion of tradeoffs after being lectured about this for years.
No discussion of potential negatives
You got plenty of room to go up
Unicorns and Free lunch in TOT land.
Ask @azza23 how that worked out.
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This advice has and will continue to harm people.
But i feel bad for DB as he has hitched his wagon and personal brand to unethical medical practictioners so when confronted he simply shifts the blame to them — “hey, they are the ones writing the scripts”
$$$$$
If the motivation isn’t $$$$ and false hope then these TOT people are terminally stupid and ignore math, human physiology and biology, science, even the most basic understanding of statistics and the mean value theorem. There is a reason everyone is not at 99-130%tile on TT and fT.
It is your body and health. Look out for yourself.
#informed_consent_for_TOT
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I would have loved to lock KSman and Danny in a room together.
What about this optimization stuff?
“The road to excess leads to the palace of wisdom … for we never know what is enough until we know what is more than enough.” William Blake (1757–1827)
HW for this week. Recast the axes on either graph to display the positive and negative impacts of TT/fT vs serum level. Make the x axis serum TT/fT level. Y axis is cost with one function being performance and the other being health impact. Do the curves necessarily have to be monotonically increasing or decreasing?
Why would the human body have evolved to operate between roughly 300 and 1200 ng/dl TT?
When you have finished what does optimization entail? Is the optimum always out on the far right of the graph? What are some tradeoffs that one needs to consider?
Why is a plot of TT/most hormones vs morbidity u shaped and why would each individual need to be careful when they deviate outside physiologic conditions [LOW or HIGH] especially on a long term therapy like TRT?
Sounds familiar…
https://www.nature.com/articles/hr2012165
The 2nd video is spot on. I really don’t know why you’d have an issue with what he’s saying. Start at 150mg. After 2 months evaluate and make changes if necessary. If you go from 150 to 175, and feel great at 175, labs are unnecessary AT THIS POINT.
Seems pretty logical.
Just out of curiosity, since I am banned for every group they associate with lol, I saw Danny was doing his own podcast now. Did he have a falling out with all his usual accomplices?
I have no idea. I actually had a run in with him in the YouTube comments. He assumed something I didn’t mean. I don’t have contact with him. I’m not on Facebook, so I have no knowledge of what goes on there.
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Have you seen anyone’s e2 and/or dht spiking on eod compared to x2 or 1x week?
I log every day how I feel to able to look back and have data to work and not do same mistakes twice.
Since I moved to eod protocol I had sore nipples, aggressivness, fatigued, super sleepy, low energy, well being mild depression dry skin which I didn’t have before and my hair loss accelerated like 3 times compared to low frequency despite on higher dose compared to what I am right now.
I remember reading about someone who’s e2 gone higher on eod is it possible that the body having regular supply of test coming in is converting it into e2 and dht at a higher rate? Just an idea I noticed this that on eod I completely lost the water retention I was struggling with since ever I started trt
He is just mostly guessing and going by someone else’s possible anecdote.
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It does not spike and does not go higher, it just does not drop as low because you are getting the more frequent dosing. There is no trough, or it is minimal.
Taking 160mg once a week and going to 80mg twice will often see higher trough levels. It is dependent on how we metabolize testosterone individually.
If you are intending to decrease your levels you’ll need to decrease the dose. You will not spike as high, as you would with one or two larger doses, but you do not dip as low. You may need to adjust your dose.
Good luck moving forward.
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It won’t spike out of no where. But if you keep the dose the same, then going to EOD will mean lower peaks and higher troughs, so it may not appear that e2 is any lower than on 2x per week, but your peak is lower and spend more time in that middle range. Give it 3-5 weeks and if you don’t feel better, get some labs and see what’s up
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These are my blood results done on Monday, 20mg eod.
Results look in range but I have symptom of low energy, brain fog low confidence and I am loosing hair like never before not even on 150mg par week dose.
Only good think is that my libido is more stable and water retention that I was fighting for soo long is gone completely I look very dry.
My calculated free test is 15 first impressions could be to bump it up but when I was doing 30mg eod I was feeling way off, aggressive all the time picking up fights for nothing and sleepy as hell even after 10h of good sleep.
Don’t know where to go from here
Lower your prolactin. It tracks with the symptoms you’re still dealing with.
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