What exactly are you looking for? If your levels are that low he should be referring you to an endo.
Thanks for replying. First. With levels that low 5 weeks after last pin…that normal? Is that my normal test Or is that the crash? If stayed off would those numbers drastically climb? Ill state again that i should have gotten labs before ever going on and i didnt. Live and learn. I dont wanna feel “like this”. Just trying to figure out if this is temporary crash. Or if thats my real natty #'s. Is 5 weeks off long enough to reveal natty #'s?
Obviously if thats my legit natural numbers i need TRT. But if thise numbers will climb drastically within the next month…then maybe i dont “need” TRT i just need time to recover. For about the past 3 weeks my wife hates me and my kids think I’m an asshole. THEY ARENT WRONG AND I CAN’T HELP IT. lol
You should have started pct two weeks ago
If you didn’t start pct then you are relying on your body to begin production naturallly. If there is still any exogenous test left in your system then it will not start on its own. Do you have lh/fsh bloods?
No. It’s not.
You should start pct three weeks after last pin and should be in pct for 5-6 weeks and then you still may not be fully recovered.
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Guys here recommended “dont cycle, instead do trt” and also recommended “dont do nolva or clomid, wait 4 weeks to get labs” so…thats what i done. So basically at this point the only waybto KNOW what i am natural is ride this crap show out another couple months and do bloods again? Or…just go on trt and be done with it once and for all
Ill know if they checked lh and fsh today when i go in. They didnt mention either one of them on the phone or in the letter they mailed me.
I will say…my testicles look normal. And erections/ejaculation are normal. Never missed a beat(no pun intended 
). But the want to…the libido…the drive…is very low. Low enough the wife is asking “is it something to do with me?” When i turn it down just to get to sleep earlier.
Update. They did not test ih or fsh. They did give me a script for 100mg test c each week. More bloods in 3 month’s to see how thats treating me. I cant imagine it will bring me from 75 up to 700-800 range.
Well you gotta start somewhere. Some guys will be at the top of the range at 100mg/wk, other will be at 500. Only way to find out is to try.
My suggestion would be to not chase numbers. You may feel great at 550-600. If that’s the case there is no reason to chase 900. I think a lot make this mistake or they start to high and it’s a mind fuck if the doc wants to lower.
Best advice ive heard so far brother. Thats terms i can understand. I started at 500. So yes dropping to 100 definitely screwes with me. Im finally on the right track with bloodwork at least. If you remember im the guy that has terrified. Needle pussy. Yet…pinning myself don’t bother me at all. It was super easy. Id rather get bloodwork than pluck an arm hair out now lol
I use 100 mg per week for TRT and test at 700 to 1000 ng/dl on any given day. You don’t need to have those numbers to feel fine anyway.
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So… is it possible i can still make gains at that low dose? Or is it possible that 500 actually hindered gains? I’ve been off six weeks now and I’ve kept grinding. I’ve lost 8lbs. And only dropped about 10-15lbs on my lifts. Which shocked the heck out of me especially after finding out how low my levels are
Definitely more of a struggle now. Less motivation to even go but I’ve made myself anyway. And Definitely more soreness
Since you were at 500mg before, you body stopped making test.
You wanted a script for TRT for insurance.
It was suggested to stop test and lower test for bloods to get the TRT script for insurance. You have that now.
You didn’t do any PCT. So your body didn’t make natty test.
So you don’t have real base natty numbers to go by to start.
Use me for example.
I was 260t before I started 200mg TRT (pharma). I plan to blast 500mg UGL test cycle. I do not plan to PCT. I’ll just cruise at 150/200 for my “PCT”
Because I know natty I have low T. And 200mg is my cruise dose.
I’ll do private bloods to track stuff on/off cycle. And monitor E2.
So unless you had bloods done PRE 500mg blast to know your true natty test. You can’t use your non PCT numbers as your natty base. Because they aren’t.
Make sense?
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Yessir 100%. Only regretbi have is not doing bloods BEFORE the first blast. Nowbthat i know how easy that is ill definitely staybonbtop of it. Really just wish for my ocd that i knew what my natty base would be. But the way i feel now…im not willing to ride this trainwreck out another 2 or 3 months to find out
Now the big question. When time to blast again. How? Without getting busted on bloodwork and thendr dropping the script?
Gain potential with TRT and normal T values is the same as a eugonadal male’s potential, though I know some will argue with this point, as if TRT is being “on” something.
What do you mean? 500 of what hindered gains?
No one is going to maintain the gains the gains they made with roid blasts when they take real TRT (T use for eugonadal values). Perhaps some gain will stick, but not the majority of it. This is from my observation and understanding; I don’t have personal experience with roids as PED’s.
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If this is your goal then you may as well do self TRT. Your prob gonna have to do bloods every three months for the doc so there is really no time to do a beneficial blast and then get your bloods looking good before next bloods.
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500mg test blast. Not knowing what my natural levels were at the time i blasted at 500. Sounds silly but just wondering ifvtoob much test could hinder hand l gains. Since… idk if that was too much, not enough, or just right for me. That being said i made gains. But off for a little over 6 weeks. Lost 8lbs. But have only dropped about 10 lbs from my PR’s achieved during the blast.