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[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]fcrenshaw wrote:

[quote]PAINTRAINDave wrote:
Yes, a Republican will get elected, cut taxes, and everything will go back to the good ole’ days.

And you say Dems are ‘hope-notized’

lol
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The problem is Repubs cut taxes w/o cutting spending. Both parties are full of retards.[/quote]

The problem is a republican president can only go as far as congress will allow. That’s why we need both a republican president and a republican congress. Give the republicans the same power that was given the democrats over the past two years and I honestly think that you’ll see us heading in the right direction once again. Slowly but at least in the right direction.[/quote]

If things don’t get so much better like the GOP promised get ready for another all Democrat again.

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I don’t see why people are suggesting cutting taxes? When the economy was shit in the early 80s, Reagan reversed many of the tax cuts due to the budget deficit, and by the end of his presidency took back 75% (I think that’s the %) of what he gave out in tax cuts.

What we need now to fix the budget deficit is a to cut spending (75%) and raise taxes (25%). Cut spending by: social security benefits reduced for upper-income earners, and retirement age increased to 69 eventually; for health care reform, doctors receive less from Medicare and patients pay more. Taxes: lower top income tax while shrinking many credits and exemptions. Also, more consumption-based.

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[quote]optheta wrote:

[quote]apbt55 wrote:

[quote]optheta wrote:
Repub’s act tough when it comes to Taxes and cutting spending but all that stuff leads to a LOWER QUALITY OF LIFE and people cannot nay will not accept that. Thats why nothing will really change and everybody hopes if just keep it as it is all will be okay. People want to have their cake and eat it.[/quote]

Maybe in some cases, alot of the guys on here that talk about it fully understand the rammifications of cutting spending and are ready for it. I believe in paying for what you use. A hand up should come from voluntary organizations (church, community organizations)and individuals, not of force.

I am fully for cutting spedning, private education, privatization of all insurance, no more entitlement programs. And because I have lived my pife ensuring that I can be self reliant and not dependent on someone else, why should I have to suffer and be forced to have my money taken from to be used completely inefficiently.

What authority do you have to assume you can just STEAL what you want from those who earn it. Because I believe the contitution gives me the right to protect me, my family and my property from enemies both foreign and domestic. And it also gives me the right to be well armed so I can.

Those increasing taxes are traitors and theives and should be treated as such. Stealing money to pay off sheep.[/quote]

Taxes are not stealing, stop calling it that. It is what we all pay for living in a Modern Society. [/quote]

Of course it is not stealing, because stealing + the threat of violence = robbery.

If you legalize it and do it over and over again it is called slavery or servitude.

Glad I could clear that up.

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[quote]optheta wrote:

[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]fcrenshaw wrote:

[quote]PAINTRAINDave wrote:
Yes, a Republican will get elected, cut taxes, and everything will go back to the good ole’ days.

And you say Dems are ‘hope-notized’

lol
[/quote]

The problem is Repubs cut taxes w/o cutting spending. Both parties are full of retards.[/quote]

The problem is a republican president can only go as far as congress will allow. That’s why we need both a republican president and a republican congress. Give the republicans the same power that was given the democrats over the past two years and I honestly think that you’ll see us heading in the right direction once again. Slowly but at least in the right direction.[/quote]

If things don’t get so much better like the GOP promised get ready for another all Democrat again.
[/quote]

Not necessarily, history shows us that the President of the United States is usually blamed for a bad economy, not congress. If this holds true Obama has a better chance of being ousted than House republicans if things don’t get better.

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[quote]ZEB wrote:

If things don’t get so much better like the GOP promised get ready for another all Democrat again.
[/quote]

Not necessarily, history shows us that the President of the United States is usually blamed for a bad economy, not congress. If this holds true Obama has a better chance of being ousted than House republicans if things don’t get better.
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Let us also not forget that if the GOP starts putting up bills that have massive cuts in them, and the democrats strike them down then the GOP just claims the Democrats are going against the American people. If the GOP does this, then the democrats will get hit harder in 2012 then in 2010.

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[quote]PB Andy wrote:
I don’t see why people are suggesting cutting taxes? When the economy was shit in the early 80s, Reagan reversed many of the tax cuts due to the budget deficit, and by the end of his presidency took back 75% (I think that’s the %) of what he gave out in tax cuts.

What we need now to fix the budget deficit is a to cut spending (75%) and raise taxes (25%). Cut spending by: social security benefits reduced for upper-income earners, and retirement age increased to 69 eventually; for health care reform, doctors receive less from Medicare and patients pay more. Taxes: lower top income tax while shrinking many credits and exemptions. Also, more consumption-based.
[/quote]

Good post.

It’s not quite so simple though:

  • Can you reduce SS benefits for upper-income earners without spending a lot on enforcement/administration?
  • It’s going to take a lot more than that to fix health care :).
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http://www.kirktoons.com/june_2004/cartoons.html

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[quote]fcrenshaw wrote:

[quote]PAINTRAINDave wrote:
Yes, a Republican will get elected, cut taxes, and everything will go back to the good ole’ days.

And you say Dems are ‘hope-notized’

lol
[/quote]

The problem is Repubs cut taxes w/o cutting spending. Both parties are full of retards.[/quote]

Governments are created to rob the productive for the benefit of the non-productive. It used to exist so kings and nobility could rob. Nowadays, governments exist to rob the productive yet smaller group for the benefit of the lazy and stupid majority.

This will only end when science makes such parasitism unnecessary.

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[quote]ephrem wrote:
http://www.kirktoons.com/june_2004/cartoons.html

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The apartheid was a pretty good thing in practice. Segregation too.

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[quote]optheta wrote:

[quote]apbt55 wrote:

[quote]optheta wrote:
Repub’s act tough when it comes to Taxes and cutting spending but all that stuff leads to a LOWER QUALITY OF LIFE and people cannot nay will not accept that. Thats why nothing will really change and everybody hopes if just keep it as it is all will be okay. People want to have their cake and eat it.[/quote]

Maybe in some cases, alot of the guys on here that talk about it fully understand the rammifications of cutting spending and are ready for it. I believe in paying for what you use. A hand up should come from voluntary organizations (church, community organizations)and individuals, not of force.

I am fully for cutting spedning, private education, privatization of all insurance, no more entitlement programs. And because I have lived my pife ensuring that I can be self reliant and not dependent on someone else, why should I have to suffer and be forced to have my money taken from to be used completely inefficiently.

What authority do you have to assume you can just STEAL what you want from those who earn it. Because I believe the contitution gives me the right to protect me, my family and my property from enemies both foreign and domestic. And it also gives me the right to be well armed so I can.

Those increasing taxes are traitors and theives and should be treated as such. Stealing money to pay off sheep.[/quote]

Taxes are not stealing, stop calling it that. It is what we all pay for living in a Modern Society. [/quote]

No in the current structure it is stealing, and according the constitution the current tax structure is technically null and void because it violated constitutional rights.

here is what the constitution says about taxes.

Article 1, Section. 8.
Clause 1: The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defense and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;

Article I, Section. 9.
Clause 4: No Capitation, or other direct, Tax shall be laid, unless in Proportion to the Census or Enumeration herein before directed to be taken.

The progressive tax code is stealing, and taking money from one person who earned it to give to another who did not is most certainly stealing. I will not stop saying that.

Someone needs a grasp on common sense.

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[quote]John S. wrote:

Let us also not forget that if the GOP starts putting up bills that have massive cuts in them, and the democrats strike them down then the GOP just claims the Democrats are going against the American people. If the GOP does this, then the democrats will get hit harder in 2012 then in 2010.[/quote]

Now wouldn’t that me nice.

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[quote]ephrem wrote:
http://www.kirktoons.com/june_2004/cartoons.html

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Drivel by the jealous left. When was the last time that a democrat president got elected to two terms with an actual majority of the vote? You have to go back to Franklin Roosevelt - LOL

Just maybe the people are a little smarter than the left thinks.

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[quote]ephrem wrote:
http://www.kirktoons.com/june_2004/cartoons.html

[/quote]

Drivel by the jealous left. When was the last time that a democrat president got elected to two terms with an actual majority of the vote? You have to go back to Franklin Roosevelt - LOL

Just maybe the people are a little smarter than the left thinks.

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stop spending so much on wars, free up the misallocated capital from a result of taxpayers footing the bill for the aforementioned problem and you will see a rapid DROP in unemployment. Econ 101, the crowding out effect. Tax business and individual more to pay for pointless wars and you have individual investors not channeling as much money to the market, and less earnings for business = less business growth and hiring.

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[quote]666Rich wrote:
stop spending so much on wars, free up the misallocated capital from a result of taxpayers footing the bill for the aforementioned problem and you will see a rapid DROP in unemployment. Econ 101, the crowding out effect. Tax business and individual more to pay for pointless wars and you have individual investors not channeling as much money to the market, and less earnings for business = less business growth and hiring.

[/quote]

And how often is Econ 101 correct? lol

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[quote]apbt55 wrote:

[quote]optheta wrote:

[quote]apbt55 wrote:

[quote]optheta wrote:
Repub’s act tough when it comes to Taxes and cutting spending but all that stuff leads to a LOWER QUALITY OF LIFE and people cannot nay will not accept that. Thats why nothing will really change and everybody hopes if just keep it as it is all will be okay. People want to have their cake and eat it.[/quote]

Maybe in some cases, alot of the guys on here that talk about it fully understand the rammifications of cutting spending and are ready for it. I believe in paying for what you use. A hand up should come from voluntary organizations (church, community organizations)and individuals, not of force.

I am fully for cutting spedning, private education, privatization of all insurance, no more entitlement programs. And because I have lived my pife ensuring that I can be self reliant and not dependent on someone else, why should I have to suffer and be forced to have my money taken from to be used completely inefficiently.

What authority do you have to assume you can just STEAL what you want from those who earn it. Because I believe the contitution gives me the right to protect me, my family and my property from enemies both foreign and domestic. And it also gives me the right to be well armed so I can.

Those increasing taxes are traitors and theives and should be treated as such. Stealing money to pay off sheep.[/quote]

Taxes are not stealing, stop calling it that. It is what we all pay for living in a Modern Society. [/quote]

No in the current structure it is stealing, and according the constitution the current tax structure is technically null and void because it violated constitutional rights.

here is what the constitution says about taxes.

Article 1, Section. 8.
Clause 1: The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defense and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;

Article I, Section. 9.
Clause 4: No Capitation, or other direct, Tax shall be laid, unless in Proportion to the Census or Enumeration herein before directed to be taken.

The progressive tax code is stealing, and taking money from one person who earned it to give to another who did not is most certainly stealing. I will not stop saying that.

Someone needs a grasp on common sense.

[/quote]

Umm…16th Amendment?

“The Congress shall have power to lay and collect taxes on incomes, from whatever source derived, without apportionment among the several States, and without regard to any census or enumeration.”

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[quote]thecage41 wrote:

[quote]PB Andy wrote:
I don’t see why people are suggesting cutting taxes? When the economy was shit in the early 80s, Reagan reversed many of the tax cuts due to the budget deficit, and by the end of his presidency took back 75% (I think that’s the %) of what he gave out in tax cuts.

What we need now to fix the budget deficit is a to cut spending (75%) and raise taxes (25%). Cut spending by: social security benefits reduced for upper-income earners, and retirement age increased to 69 eventually; for health care reform, doctors receive less from Medicare and patients pay more. Taxes: lower top income tax while shrinking many credits and exemptions. Also, more consumption-based.
[/quote]

Good post.

It’s not quite so simple though:

  • Can you reduce SS benefits for upper-income earners without spending a lot on enforcement/administration?
  • It’s going to take a lot more than that to fix health care :).[/quote]
  1. Good point, and I don’t know. I’ll leave it to the economists.
  2. Yes, yes it will. I’ve been reading up on the Simpson-Bowles/Domenici-Rivlin budget reduction plans and they are quite vague in the area of health care.
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I’m surprised we haven’t seen protectionism mentioned.

Or perhaps a domestic manufacturer incentive/investment program for any type of value added production

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[quote]PB Andy wrote:
Unemployment probably would have been at 10% anyways, regardless of Obama’s policies. In fact the CBO projected that he saved many jobs.[/quote]

Andy , I agree with you , but this is a no win argument

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[quote]pittbulll wrote:

[quote]PB Andy wrote:
Unemployment probably would have been at 10% anyways, regardless of Obama’s policies. In fact the CBO projected that he saved many jobs.[/quote]

Andy , I agree with you , but this is a no win argument [/quote]

People who keep repeating the same actions while expecting a different outcome can be described as insane.

Trillions in debt (and the evil philosophy that caused it) caused our problems. Obama and the Dems sought to cure those problems by incurring MORE debt. They are therefore insane.

They call Sarah Palin dumb for some of her statements. Did she ever propose insane debt as a cure for insane debt. Nope. She looks like a genius compared to Obama.