Sounds like the perfect opportunity to simply play.
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@ChickenLittle thatās not true, you did a warm up the other day.
@T3hPwnisher that sounds much better, Iāll call it that.
@kdjohn absolutely. Train whats trainable, and try and figure out why some things arenāt trainable.
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I made that shit up too!
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Work for today:
Ground to overhead:
5 x 40kg
5 x 50kg
3 x 60kg
1 x 70kg
1 x 70kg
0 x 80kg
0 x 80kg
Strict Press dropset: some
Notes:
- Quick press session. All the racks were taken to start with so decided to clean every rep. Then decided to go for a recent PR on ground to overhead, because it was feeling pretty solid. Turns out 80kg is too heavy for me. Upper body not strong enough.
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This is cleaned and then push pressed, yes? I expect you just need practice, you are strong enough.
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are these overhead anyway, so push or jerk if necessary or strict? I have been incorporating this into my pressing too as I hear it helps. My front rack position is the limiting factor for me I think.
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Yeah, it was by then, most of the lighter weights were strict. This was definitely a triceps issue. As soon as they had to take over, they couldnāt.
Depends on the weight. Heavy stuff is push press, light stuff is strict. My form on the front rack is non existent, itās a Wendler style āholding the bar in front of my neckā deal.
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This is me right here especially on power cleans lol. When I do them there is no grace or dip to catch it, just popping it up to my chin and then pressing it from there. It hurts my wrists so bad.
I usually that for precisely the opposite reason: less wrist pain. When I catch the bar properly (which Iāll do on heavy weights), it seems to hurt my wrists. The brute force and ignorance approach is much more stable and lands me in a better place to press.
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Just to be a contrarian, I tend to think that triceps failure at the top is always, always a result of not enough speed off the chest. In other words, everyone is weak or slow off the chest for presses and push presses. That is where the mechanical disadvantage is huge. The triceps might SAVE a slow move off the chest (this is how we have the RPS system), but I bet for most people they are never the true problem.
Just a theory. Makes sense in my head.
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Iām gonna nerd-out here, but also because I like to tell people what to do:
Wrist pain in the catch is almost always because of low elbows. If the elbows are high enough, the hands/fingers should just be there to help balance the bar in your clavicle, because your delts should be supporting the bar.
Then, in order to get into a better pressing position, you pop the bar off your clavicle as you recover from the catch to redirect the bar into a fuller grip for pressing. Watch some weightlifters transition from the clean catch into preparing for the jerk to see what I mean.
This isnāt necessarily directed at you specifically, just a general statement for anyone else struggling with wrist pain from clean & pressing (of any category).
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See this is my problem totally, when I catch full handed my wrists flex back. Even when I try catching with just a few fingers it does this. My mobility sucks here though soā¦
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On lighter weights, full-handed catching isnāt a problem, but basically no weightlifter will catch cleans full-handed because even with high elbows, itāll put so much strain on your wrists. Fingers are just there to guide the bar in the catch. Full-hand comes when you transition from catch to rack position.
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Right was just explaining to dagill why I typically try not to catch this way since he said it was opposite and no pain if he did catch full handed. Still donāt have good enough mobility to really guide it to my shoulders though with just fingers.
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Oh right right. Sorry, I get carried away.
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No worries. Like I said though I TRY to do this. Sometimes I instinctively hold it full handed but I am trying to learn it. Just started doing these recently
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@kdjohn @cstan097 just for clarity: this is essentially what my powerclean looks like when Iām expecting to clean and press:
Zero wrist pain, zero technique.
@Cyrrex your theory makes sense. Typically on heavy push presses, momentum runs out near lock out, the bar slows almost to a standstill and it turns into a pure press. In this case, I just wasnāt strong enough to press 80kg, even from full extension. I guess the answer is to get stronger?
Thatās always the answer.
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Thatās it mate, if you are slow from the go, then your triceps need to grow.
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