[quote]Force 10 wrote:
Avoids Roids wrote:
Majin wrote:
It’s simple, the more you train a muscle group avoiding burnout the faster it will develop. Arnold trained more than any other bodybuilder. Of course he offset the overtraining with steroids…But these days bodybuilders take so much juice that it’s hard to tell how much their training is influencing their physiques at all.
Try training a muscle group more often without overtraining it. What do you think will happen? It's going to grow faster.
What, does there have to be only one way? Is bodybuilding a science yet? No
“Frequency”, as it is sometimes referred to by us assholes.
What I understood from what Go heavy was saying is that frequency won’t matter if the stress isn’t an overload or great enough of an overload to force change. He was talking about this before he left. This makes sense to me and I’m not that smart. Those marathon runners run everyday and have legs the size of chopsticks. These guys are training their legs constantly and the frequency is almost constantly. Apparently what Go heavy was saying about stress applies here. If the stress; or stressload I think he called it, isn’t great enough, then you can’t create a great enough change to stimulate enough growth. That’s how I understood it anyway.
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And he is correct. You can’t compare a 100 rep set of curls with 20 pounds to a 100 rep set with no weight. You have to compare apples and apples or equivalent load with equivalent load. Research is indicating that doing 3 sets of bench presses 3 times per week may be superior to doing 9 sets with the equivalent movement of the same weight once per week. GHF disagrees and says that you increase the overall stress on a muscle by doing the sets all at once. Again, he is correct. However, when he says that that is more important for hypertrophy than frequency, I, and recent science, disagree. We point to protein synthesis as a major component of hypertrophy and say if the muscle recovers fully in 48 days yet you work it only once per week, you are losing 5 days of growth opportunity. He points to pictures of pro bodybuilders as proof and I point to readily accessible published studies as proof. The ideal situation, in my opinion, would GHF’s concept of stress being applied with recent research on frequency. And, that balance is what Arnold tried to achieve. Unfortunately, it takes a lot of free time…a luxury most of us, including GHF and myself, do not have. So we compromise. He through load and stress and I through load and frequency. It’s our methods of compromise that we disagree on.
If the whole world agreed on everything, we would never make any progress. Differences of opinions are good for advancement. It encourages experimentation.
[quote]Force 10 wrote:
Avoids Roids wrote:
Majin wrote:
It’s simple, the more you train a muscle group avoiding burnout the faster it will develop. Arnold trained more than any other bodybuilder. Of course he offset the overtraining with steroids…But these days bodybuilders take so much juice that it’s hard to tell how much their training is influencing their physiques at all.
Try training a muscle group more often without overtraining it. What do you think will happen? It's going to grow faster.
What, does there have to be only one way? Is bodybuilding a science yet? No
“Frequency”, as it is sometimes referred to by us assholes.
What I understood from what Go heavy was saying is that frequency won’t matter if the stress isn’t an overload or great enough of an overload to force change. He was talking about this before he left. This makes sense to me and I’m not that smart. Those marathon runners run everyday and have legs the size of chopsticks. These guys are training their legs constantly and the frequency is almost constantly. Apparently what Go heavy was saying about stress applies here. If the stress; or stressload I think he called it, isn’t great enough, then you can’t create a great enough change to stimulate enough growth. That’s how I understood it anyway.
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You’re on the right track. But that’s not how I would summarize it. It has to do with the stress and “TYPE” of stress applied. I was going to go into it after the flame train went through, but I had to go back to work. If you want, I can explain furthur on types of stress… neural/strength, hypertrophy/sarcoplasmic/ myofibrillar/sacremere… but the flame train of fools will be totaly lost when I get into this. They can’t even comprehend the basics of strength to mass ratio and frequency & stress relation for overload.
You’re on the right track. But that’s not how I would summarize it. It has to do with the stress and “TYPE” of stress applied. I was going to go into it after the flame train went through, but I had to go back to work. If you want, I can explain furthur on types of stress… neural/strength, hypertrophy/sarcoplasmic/ myofibrillar/sacremere… but the flame train of fools will be totaly lost when I get into this. They can’t even comprehend the basics of strength to mass ratio and frequency & stress relation for overload. [/quote]
Good to see you. unless you missed it, people appreciate you around here.
You’re on the right track. But that’s not how I would summarize it. It has to do with the stress and “TYPE” of stress applied. I was going to go into it after the flame train went through, but I had to go back to work. If you want, I can explain furthur on types of stress… neural/strength, hypertrophy/sarcoplasmic/ myofibrillar/sacremere… but the flame train of fools will be totaly lost when I get into this. They can’t even comprehend the basics of strength to mass ratio and frequency & stress relation for overload. [/quote]
[quote]sasquatch wrote:
If you’re too tire and the workouts take too long then you are doing them wrong.You can’t use the same volume on fb as splits for obvious reasons.
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I totally agree, when I did try them it was like 10 years ago, and it was totally wrong. I just applied the split routine to my entire body.
[quote]Go heavy fool wrote:
Force 10 wrote:
Avoids Roids wrote:
Majin wrote:
It’s simple, the more you train a muscle group avoiding burnout the faster it will develop. Arnold trained more than any other bodybuilder. Of course he offset the overtraining with steroids…But these days bodybuilders take so much juice that it’s hard to tell how much their training is influencing their physiques at all.
Try training a muscle group more often without overtraining it. What do you think will happen? It's going to grow faster.
What, does there have to be only one way? Is bodybuilding a science yet? No
“Frequency”, as it is sometimes referred to by us assholes.
What I understood from what Go heavy was saying is that frequency won’t matter if the stress isn’t an overload or great enough of an overload to force change. He was talking about this before he left. This makes sense to me and I’m not that smart. Those marathon runners run everyday and have legs the size of chopsticks. These guys are training their legs constantly and the frequency is almost constantly. Apparently what Go heavy was saying about stress applies here. If the stress; or stressload I think he called it, isn’t great enough, then you can’t create a great enough change to stimulate enough growth. That’s how I understood it anyway.
You’re on the right track. But that’s not how I would summarize it. It has to do with the stress and “TYPE” of stress applied. I was going to go into it after the flame train went through, but I had to go back to work. If you want, I can explain furthur on types of stress… neural/strength, hypertrophy/sarcoplasmic/ myofibrillar/sacremere… but the flame train of fools will be totaly lost when I get into this. They can’t even comprehend the basics of strength to mass ratio and frequency & stress relation for overload. [/quote]
Okay, now I’m confused. Are you now replying to yourself?