Wait. Am I reading this right? You people go to seminars and shit and pay some dude , especially a d-bag looking nerd like Arash, who you don’t even know who lies to you and tells you how to try and meet women? And to top it off, you are arguing which “coach” is best like a bunch of cross fitters?
I’m…I’m…at a loss for words. Really.
Wait. Am I reading this right? You people go to seminars and shit and pay some dude you don’t even know who lies to you and tells you how to try and meet women? And to top it off, you are arguing which “coach” is best like a bunch of cross fitters?
I’m…I’m…at a loss for words. Really.
[quote]sandos wrote:
Wait. Am I reading this right? You people go to seminars and shit and pay some dude you don’t even know who lies to you and tells you how to try and meet women? And to top it off, you are arguing which “coach” is best like a bunch of cross fitters?
I’m…I’m…at a loss for words. Really.[/quote]
I agree the Arash guy is a total shithead, but the concept is no different than women reading relationship books or cosmo articles.
If you’re struggling in the gym you might get a trainer or read an article here, and believe it or not some guys put having a great women in their lives as more important than their biceps.
[quote]Chushin wrote:
[quote]orion wrote:
[quote]Chushin wrote:
[quote]orion wrote:
[quote]EmilyQ wrote:
[quote]orion wrote:
BTW, at this point, I am willing to at least consider that I am drawn to the skanktastic side of the spectum.[/quote]
You don’t sound like you like her even a tiny bit. Which is sad, for both of you.
[/quote]
I do, but it is overridden by other feelings.
But, the more she tries to play me, the less I feel for her.
If all she wants to be is a beautiful face, a sweet smile and empty promises, thats all she gonna be.
The more she reveals her emptyness the less there is to like.
Or hate.
Or anything. [/quote]
Ok.
But where I can’t agree with your actions is the fact that you allow yourself to be just as bad as her. In fact I recall you saying once that will always be willing to go as low (lower) than the other guy.
You could just walk away, but instead you let this woman make you a bit of an ugly person.
If you don’t think that such behavior has a cumulative effect over time on who you are, you’re not as bright as I think you are.
One day you may discover that the only people in your life are skanks, because you’re a skank yourself.[/quote]
No.[/quote]
Ha ha ha.
That’s the most eloquent version of “singing lalalala with fingers in ears” that I’ve seen in a while.
Meh, what the heck:
Yes.
[/quote]
I say no, I am not a skank.
Apart from the fact that I cannot be, cause, I have like a penis and stuff, I am not the male version either.
In some areas I am definitely quality.
How do I know?
Because I am surrounded by people of quality, warts and all, true, but they tolerate mine and I tolerate theirs.
And yes, its on, I am her dirty little secret.
[quote]Makavali wrote:
Here is the reason PUA techniques “help” some people: They talk to new people.
I’ll bet now that most of the people who claim their lives were “turned around” are the pussies who you see in ANY social situation only talking to their buddies and not interacting with strangers.[/quote]
That is a large part of it, but not all of it.
If you really want to break it down, a large part of the population are poo flinging monkeys that react to and respect strength and very little else.
Talk it, walk it, be it and project it and your life gets better.
You should be able to back it up though.
On the other hand, a lot of posers do alright.
[quote]sandos wrote:
Wait. Am I reading this right? You people go to seminars and shit and pay some dude you don’t even know who lies to you and tells you how to try and meet women? And to top it off, you are arguing which “coach” is best like a bunch of cross fitters?
I’m…I’m…at a loss for words. Really.[/quote]
I saw your avatar and thought the same thing, at a loss for words in a good way.
[quote]aplundnei wrote:
I started reading PUA stuff in october and I was really impressed how easy it is to hit on a girl, get her interested in you and have sex with her. In my opinion most of the PUA theory is garbage but some books explain very well how you need to act to get girls interested in you as a sexually active male.
Sure, if you don’t have anything going for you(like me) most girls will get rid of you pretty fast. Sure, many guys manage to get laid without some guru teaching them. Sure, much of the PUA stuff is really obvious stuff for most. And I understand that some of the PUA stuff sounds very cheap and shallow.
But I met plenty of guys who have a lot to offer and never get past the friend zone because they have no clue how to get a girl interested in them.
At the end of high school I was a pale, hunched over 6’5’'/150lbs nerd with 0 social skills and a very shallow personality. Occasionally I managed to fuck a drunk girl at a party and starting college and living in a dorm made things easier. But dealing with girls was always very, very uncomfortable and all in all dissapointing.
And working with some stuff I read in The Mystery Method helped me to get rid of a lot(!) of my fear of females. In a bit over 2 months I managed to get dates with 27 different girls and I managed to have sex with 16 of the 19 girls I wanted to meet again after the first date. For me that’s huge.
I don’t want to become a PUA but the experience of the last months freed me of a lot of insecurities. 2013 will be dedicated to self-improvement 
[/quote]
David de Angelo “Deep inner Game”
its on youtube.
Very little on women, a lot about you.
I am not saying that you should, but you might.
[quote]Chushin wrote:
[quote]orion wrote:
[quote]Chushin wrote:
[quote]orion wrote:
[quote]Chushin wrote:
[quote]orion wrote:
[quote]EmilyQ wrote:
[quote]orion wrote:
BTW, at this point, I am willing to at least consider that I am drawn to the skanktastic side of the spectum.[/quote]
You don’t sound like you like her even a tiny bit. Which is sad, for both of you.
[/quote]
I do, but it is overridden by other feelings.
But, the more she tries to play me, the less I feel for her.
If all she wants to be is a beautiful face, a sweet smile and empty promises, thats all she gonna be.
The more she reveals her emptyness the less there is to like.
Or hate.
Or anything. [/quote]
Ok.
But where I can’t agree with your actions is the fact that you allow yourself to be just as bad as her. In fact I recall you saying once that will always be willing to go as low (lower) than the other guy.
You could just walk away, but instead you let this woman make you a bit of an ugly person.
If you don’t think that such behavior has a cumulative effect over time on who you are, you’re not as bright as I think you are.
[/quote]
No.[/quote]
Ha ha ha.
That’s the most eloquent version of “singing lalalala with fingers in ears” that I’ve seen in a while.
Meh, what the heck:
Yes.
[/quote]
I say no, I am not a skank.
Apart from the fact that I cannot be, cause, I have like a penis and stuff, I am not the male version either.
In some areas I am definitely quality.
How do I know?
Because I am surrounded by people of quality, warts and all, true, but they tolerate mine and I tolerate theirs.
And yes, its on, I am her dirty little secret.
[/quote]
I did not say you are a skank.
Read more carefully.[/quote]
Well “One day you may discover that the only people in your life are skanks, because you’re a skank yourself.” was kind of my tell…
[quote]Chushin wrote:
[quote]orion wrote:
[quote]Chushin wrote:
[quote]orion wrote:
[quote]Chushin wrote:
[quote]orion wrote:
[quote]Chushin wrote:
[quote]orion wrote:
[quote]EmilyQ wrote:
[quote]orion wrote:
BTW, at this point, I am willing to at least consider that I am drawn to the skanktastic side of the spectum.[/quote]
You don’t sound like you like her even a tiny bit. Which is sad, for both of you.
[/quote]
I do, but it is overridden by other feelings.
But, the more she tries to play me, the less I feel for her.
If all she wants to be is a beautiful face, a sweet smile and empty promises, thats all she gonna be.
The more she reveals her emptyness the less there is to like.
Or hate.
Or anything. [/quote]
Ok.
But where I can’t agree with your actions is the fact that you allow yourself to be just as bad as her. In fact I recall you saying once that will always be willing to go as low (lower) than the other guy.
You could just walk away, but instead you let this woman make you a bit of an ugly person.
If you don’t think that such behavior has a cumulative effect over time on who you are, you’re not as bright as I think you are.
[/quote]
No.[/quote]
Ha ha ha.
That’s the most eloquent version of “singing lalalala with fingers in ears” that I’ve seen in a while.
Meh, what the heck:
Yes.
[/quote]
I say no, I am not a skank.
Apart from the fact that I cannot be, cause, I have like a penis and stuff, I am not the male version either.
In some areas I am definitely quality.
How do I know?
Because I am surrounded by people of quality, warts and all, true, but they tolerate mine and I tolerate theirs.
And yes, its on, I am her dirty little secret.
[/quote]
I did not say you are a skank.
Read more carefully.[/quote]
Well “One day you may discover that the only people in your life are skanks, because you’re a skank yourself.” was kind of my tell…[/quote]
Jeez, Orion; can’t you read?
The post says ONE DAY, as in THE FUTURE.
I said such behavior will have a cumulative effect over time, as in “You ain’t there now.”[/quote]
Ah, you are worried about my immortal soul.
Thats nice.
I actually mean that.
However, my progress so far indicates that trying to mindfuck a woman is like a trip down the rabbit hole.
On the one hand it goes far deeper than one might expect, on the other hand I dont know whats going on.
I think that me being strict is the only way she can relate to me.
After me starting it she might be unconsciously playing me to be what she needs me to be.
Her beta provider herb is totally oblivious as a matter of course.
If all of that needs something to hold it together:
Seriously, not entirely sure whats going on.
Will dig deeper.
[quote]orion wrote:
[quote]aplundnei wrote:
I started reading PUA stuff in october and I was really impressed how easy it is to hit on a girl, get her interested in you and have sex with her. In my opinion most of the PUA theory is garbage but some books explain very well how you need to act to get girls interested in you as a sexually active male.
Sure, if you don’t have anything going for you(like me) most girls will get rid of you pretty fast. Sure, many guys manage to get laid without some guru teaching them. Sure, much of the PUA stuff is really obvious stuff for most. And I understand that some of the PUA stuff sounds very cheap and shallow.
But I met plenty of guys who have a lot to offer and never get past the friend zone because they have no clue how to get a girl interested in them.
At the end of high school I was a pale, hunched over 6’5’'/150lbs nerd with 0 social skills and a very shallow personality. Occasionally I managed to fuck a drunk girl at a party and starting college and living in a dorm made things easier. But dealing with girls was always very, very uncomfortable and all in all dissapointing.
And working with some stuff I read in The Mystery Method helped me to get rid of a lot(!) of my fear of females. In a bit over 2 months I managed to get dates with 27 different girls and I managed to have sex with 16 of the 19 girls I wanted to meet again after the first date. For me that’s huge.
I don’t want to become a PUA but the experience of the last months freed me of a lot of insecurities. 2013 will be dedicated to self-improvement
[/quote]
David de Angelo “Deep inner Game”
[/quote]
this the same supposed expert on seduction and “frame control” that lost his shit when his girlfriend blew another PUA douchebag?
I don’t know maybe instead of practicing inner game he should practice being more selective of character in the women he dates
[quote]Aussie Davo wrote:
[quote]orion wrote:
[quote]aplundnei wrote:
I started reading PUA stuff in october and I was really impressed how easy it is to hit on a girl, get her interested in you and have sex with her. In my opinion most of the PUA theory is garbage but some books explain very well how you need to act to get girls interested in you as a sexually active male.
Sure, if you don’t have anything going for you(like me) most girls will get rid of you pretty fast. Sure, many guys manage to get laid without some guru teaching them. Sure, much of the PUA stuff is really obvious stuff for most. And I understand that some of the PUA stuff sounds very cheap and shallow.
But I met plenty of guys who have a lot to offer and never get past the friend zone because they have no clue how to get a girl interested in them.
At the end of high school I was a pale, hunched over 6’5’'/150lbs nerd with 0 social skills and a very shallow personality. Occasionally I managed to fuck a drunk girl at a party and starting college and living in a dorm made things easier. But dealing with girls was always very, very uncomfortable and all in all dissapointing.
And working with some stuff I read in The Mystery Method helped me to get rid of a lot(!) of my fear of females. In a bit over 2 months I managed to get dates with 27 different girls and I managed to have sex with 16 of the 19 girls I wanted to meet again after the first date. For me that’s huge.
I don’t want to become a PUA but the experience of the last months freed me of a lot of insecurities. 2013 will be dedicated to self-improvement
[/quote]
David de Angelo “Deep inner Game”
[/quote]
this the same supposed expert on seduction and “frame control” that lost his shit when his girlfriend blew another PUA douchebag?
I don’t know maybe instead of practicing inner game he should practice being more selective of character in the women he dates[/quote]
Aussie Davo, unlike men, women don’t have character. They are driven by their biological imperative to find the man with the highest possible sexual market value, lull him into a false sense of security in order to achieve the desired married state, then fool around, break up, and take half the man’s shit. After which they will move another man in to dine off the spoils.
[quote]Aussie Davo wrote:
this the same supposed expert on seduction and “frame control” that lost his shit when his girlfriend blew another PUA douchebag?
I don’t know maybe instead of practicing inner game he should practice being more selective of character in the women he dates[/quote]
I dont know about that, but he seems to be a bit of a pussy.
The golden parts though are not from him but Dr Paul who wrote Mind OS which I think Angry Chicken recommends.
[quote]EmilyQ wrote:
Aussie Davo, unlike men, women don’t have character. They are driven by their biological imperative to find the man with the highest possible sexual market value, lull him into a false sense of security in order to achieve the desired married state, then fool around, break up, and take half the man’s shit. After which they will move another man in to dine off the spoils.
[/quote]
Not quite.
Exactly LIKE men, women are ruled by their instincts.
Entirely UNLIKE men, they are encouraged to follow their hear… um, instincts, they are rewarded when they do it by the legal system and, because their instincts are less direct than male ones are usually oblivious regarding their own nature.
[quote]Chushin wrote:
I’m not worried about your soul – immortal or otherwise.
I’m just telling you my view in the hope that it’s of some help to you.
Let me try a variation on the old Internet kotowaza: If you wrestle with a pig, you WILL get dirty, no matter how careful you are or how much of a “learning experience” it is.
Of course, I know you well enough to know that you’re going to go right on grappling, so I guess I should just shut up and get my popcorn now.
PS: You have no qualms about helping someone to carry out academic fraud?[/quote]
Well, but if I can do it, it means that my ideas are true.
I am not saying that I need proof, I am saying that I find it difficult to shy away from the truth just to behave what could basically be called a “nice guy”.
I dont know that acting on knowledge is more transforming than having internalized it?
Also, academic fraud?
Its a school book for a trade school apparently and I do think that I can do a better job than what is on the market.
In 3 weeks, no less.
Since she is under no obligation to write it herself, since it is rather basic stuff that practically has to be stolen because you cannot really reinvent the wheel and since I do believe that those kids actually deserve to get some basic concepts if they feel like actually reading that stuff, I dont see where academic fraud comes in.
What is definitely going in there is defense mechanisms because once you know what they are you notice them in yourself.
Hands on knowledge, I can so totaly do this.
Finally, her first draft was 16 pages, now we are up to 40 and it turns out she needs 100.
I informed her that I will not stand for underhanded renegotiations, my price has gone up.
[quote]orion wrote:
I informed her that I will not stand for underhanded renegotiations, my price has gone up.
[/quote]
So what’s the new price? I love this thread.
[quote]GCF wrote:
[quote]orion wrote:
I informed her that I will not stand for underhanded renegotiations, my price has gone up.
[/quote]
So what’s the new price? I love this thread.[/quote]
I dont know yet, but dont tell anyone.
I am open to suggestions.
You guys argue a lot. I used to do that too. And back on topic.
