[quote]privatemedical wrote:
its what it takes for these kids to play sports at college.
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That’s where you’re wrong though. Dave Tate gave a really great talk on steroids. Once you “flip the card” as he called it, then that’s it, it’s done. Kids who have to fucking take steroids in high school just to make it in college usually won’t get very far. The best possible scenario is when someone works hard enough to make it through college and doesn’t have to start steroids till they actually get to the NFL.
As far as the original topic goes. No way it’s that high. I remember taking a survey like that when I was in school, and I fucking said “yes I’ve taken steroids”, because I specifically remembered the doctor giving me a “steroid” when my bronchial tubes were all closed up and I was having trouble breathing. Add in kids who are just fucking with you. I couldn’t venture a guess as to what the real percentage is, but it isn’t quite that high. Hell I doubt 1 in 20 kids even fucking lifts weights.
steroids for anti-aging?: sweet man
steroids for sports?: douchebag fag
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I’m not sure you’re interpreting this correctly… when they talk about steroids for “anti-aging” they’re basically just talking about testosterone replacement therapy. The demographic and methods are very different in steroids used for sports.
steroids for anti-aging?: sweet man
steroids for sports?: douchebag fag
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I’m not sure you’re interpreting this correctly… when they talk about steroids for “anti-aging” they’re basically just talking about testosterone replacement therapy. The demographic and methods are very different in steroids used for sports.[/quote]
Look at the title of the article: “Baby Boomers find youth in testosterone.”
It doesn’t say: “Testosterone Replacement Therapy on the rise.”
This article, among others I’ve seen, indirectly advertises anabolic steroids to people in their 40s, 50s, 60s. “Viagra for the Boardroom” is vastly different from “medical necessity.”
The double-standard that the media usually portrays is that steroids are a-okay in certain instances and forbidden in others, namely sports & cheating.
[quote]privatemedical wrote:
its what it takes for these kids to play sports at college.
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That’s where you’re wrong though. Dave Tate gave a really great talk on steroids. Once you “flip the card” as he called it, then that’s it, it’s done. Kids who have to fucking take steroids in high school just to make it in college usually won’t get very far. The best possible scenario is when someone works hard enough to make it through college and doesn’t have to start steroids till they actually get to the NFL.
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the best scenerio and reality are very different.
However, my expierence is limited to only three former div 1 and div 2 football players and 1 pro football player i worked out with and their former teamates i met.
if johnny has to take some test in order to get a football scholarship at a school he could not otherwise afford, what do you think he is going to do?
my neighbor coaches rowing at a private school and he is convinced that two of his former athletes used steroids to get get scholarships and admittance to ivy league schools. a couple thousand dollars of steroids to get a 120,000 dollar education.
[quote]Kakarat wrote:
1:20 sounds about right to me.[/quote]
That’s the problem. Most people over 30 don’t even know the difference between “CORTICOSTEROIDS” and “STEROIDS”. I sure as hell would not expect most teenagers to know.
No, I seriously doubt you know 1 in 20 people under the age of 18 who are actually injecting steroids on a weekly basis.
We had guys using in high school like everyone else, but there weren’t that many of them. The rest were victims of rumors started by the same people that scream out anyone with muscles is also on.
Unless you saw someone inject or did the injection yourself, I wouldn’t believe even half of what most teenagers told me…especially the ones who think they know what they are talking about.
steroids for anti-aging?: sweet man
steroids for sports?: douchebag fag
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I’m not sure you’re interpreting this correctly… when they talk about steroids for “anti-aging” they’re basically just talking about testosterone replacement therapy. The demographic and methods are very different in steroids used for sports.[/quote]
Look at the title of the article: “Baby Boomers find youth in testosterone.”
It doesn’t say: “Testosterone Replacement Therapy on the rise.”
This article, among others I’ve seen, indirectly advertises anabolic steroids to people in their 40s, 50s, 60s. “Viagra for the Boardroom” is vastly different from “medical necessity.”
The double-standard that the media usually portrays is that steroids are a-okay in certain instances and forbidden in others, namely sports & cheating. [/quote]
It’s not a double standard though, because they’re not the same thing. I’m sure you can figure out the difference between Olympians taking steroids and 50 year olds using TRT.
[quote]Kakarat wrote:
1:20 sounds about right to me.[/quote]
That’s the problem. Most people over 30 don’t even know the difference between “CORTICOSTEROIDS” and “STEROIDS”. I sure as hell would not expect most teenagers to know.
No, I seriously doubt you know 1 in 20 people under the age of 18 who are actually injecting steroids on a weekly basis.
We had guys using in high school like everyone else, but there weren’t that many of them. The rest were victims of rumors started by the same people that scream out anyone with muscles is also on.
Unless you saw someone inject or did the injection yourself, I wouldn’t believe even half of what most teenagers told me…especially the ones who think they know what they are talking about.[/quote]
All this is so true. I’m 20 and in college now, but still even my gym buddies believe a cortizone shot or a corticosteroid from the doctor is the same as an anabolic steroid.
And as far as the 1 in 20. There’s no way that is true. Atleast where I am from, in Northern California, in highschool we had 1500 students. Out of all, I know for a fact 2 people out of the 1500 took prohormones. (tren extreme to be exact) Other than that not one kid used, let alone was pinning. Most kids at that age esp are too scared of needles.
When kids participated in this study, they probably said they used because the doc gave them a cortizone shot for a pimple, LOL.
Not to mention, some kids lie. We took a drug and alcohol survey in high school and there was a bunch of kids that marked that they had tried cocaine, LSD, meth, etc., when all they ever did was drink and maybe smoke a some weed.
[quote]Kakarat wrote:
1:20 sounds about right to me.[/quote]
That’s the problem. Most people over 30 don’t even know the difference between “CORTICOSTEROIDS” and “STEROIDS”. I sure as hell would not expect most teenagers to know.
No, I seriously doubt you know 1 in 20 people under the age of 18 who are actually injecting steroids on a weekly basis.
We had guys using in high school like everyone else, but there weren’t that many of them. The rest were victims of rumors started by the same people that scream out anyone with muscles is also on.
Unless you saw someone inject or did the injection yourself, I wouldn’t believe even half of what most teenagers told me…especially the ones who think they know what they are talking about.[/quote]
I didn’t read the articles, but after looking at just the title of the yahoo article I see your perspective. I was assuming that the 1:20 was talking about athletes/lifters using at some point. I shouldn’t have used peoples comments as reference, which is my error.
I went to a high school with 600 students, which at 1:20 would be 30 users in my school. 30 is definitely too high.
However, I do stand by 1:20 athletes/lifters have used at some point. That is not an unbelievable number at all.
[quote]super saiyan wrote:
Not to mention, some kids lie. We took a drug and alcohol survey in high school and there was a bunch of kids that marked that they had tried cocaine, LSD, meth, etc., when all they ever did was drink and maybe smoke a some weed. [/quote]
I remember doing this in a high school drug survey too. Not because I was trying to act cool, but because I was annoyed that I had to fill it out, and by all the stupid nicknames they listed for each drug.
Like Professor X said, I doubt 1:20 are pinning or even taking real orals. Kids think creatine and other “hardcore” supps are steroids. Kids are dumb.
[quote]super saiyan wrote:
Not to mention, some kids lie. We took a drug and alcohol survey in high school and there was a bunch of kids that marked that they had tried cocaine, LSD, meth, etc., when all they ever did was drink and maybe smoke a some weed. [/quote]
[quote]super saiyan wrote:
Not to mention, some kids lie. We took a drug and alcohol survey in high school and there was a bunch of kids that marked that they had tried cocaine, LSD, meth, etc., when all they ever did was drink and maybe smoke a some weed. [/quote]
[quote]super saiyan wrote:
Not to mention, some kids lie. We took a drug and alcohol survey in high school and there was a bunch of kids that marked that they had tried cocaine, LSD, meth, etc., when all they ever did was drink and maybe smoke a some weed. [/quote]
Kids are dumb.[/quote]
When do Kids stop being dumb?
What age?
Just curious[/quote]
It’s a rolling scale that obviously goes up every year.
When I was in highschool there was a higher than 1:20 ratio of guys using at my school (athletes) and at schools that friends went too… And that was 10 years ago. I’m sure it’s much more rampant now than back then.
Couple of pieces of information:
Steroids come in non injectable forms.
The title says use/HAVE USED, which would account for a guy who tried an oral steroid one time and stopped.
You can buy pro hormones/designer steroids at local supplement shops… Don’t kid yourself, these are steroids.
People who pin test/tren/HGH/etc… every week aren’t the only ones who are “steroid” users.
Look, a lot of these things you can get OTC or order online. If your a kid looking for a boost in sports or to get ladies it’s not a far fetched thought to think they’d want assistance. We live in a society of instant gratification so I don’t see why people think this is so off base.
DISCLAIMER:
Obviously research methods have flaws and a 1:20 ratio isn’t 100% accurate… But I believe that it’s close.
[quote]super saiyan wrote:
Not to mention, some kids lie. We took a drug and alcohol survey in high school and there was a bunch of kids that marked that they had tried cocaine, LSD, meth, etc., when all they ever did was drink and maybe smoke a some weed. [/quote]
Kids are dumb.[/quote]
When do Kids stop being dumb?
What age?
Just curious[/quote]
It’s a rolling scale that obviously goes up every year.
Now get off my porch.
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Im older than you so get off mine.
I seriously doubt this number would be higher than 1:50-100 if the students had to list what it was they actually took in detail.
Most of the shit they list in mags is made to sound just like real steroid names. They do that because of the idiot high school kids reading. If a kid takes that, he didn’t take steroids. If they lumped “pro hormones” into that, then that skews the number even more.
Bottom line, no one can trust this number…which makes me wonder why they choose to throw it out there like they do.
Just curious