[quote]Iron Dwarf wrote:
[quote]LarryDavid wrote:
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If that vid doesn’t show that this kid had a sense of humor and a schtick, nothing does. [/quote]
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[quote]Professor X wrote:
I think that is where we differ. I find it hard to relate to anyone who sees life as an “accident” and our lives as “purposeless”.
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So what do you think life’s UNIVERSAL purpose is? Where does all of this life thing lead to, ultimately?
I’m sure a well-informed person like you have thought about this kind of arguments a great deal, and is familiar with the arguments from the other side, but I’ll spell out some basics of what I think anyway.
I’ll grant the universal and ultimate life the purpose of procreation, but that’s about it. I even hesitate to use the word purpose, since DNA molecules can’t really see long term goals, they care about is re-creating and make copies of themselves before nature gets rid of them. But then again, you can’t really use the word CARE in this context either because that would imply that molecules have consciousness. And since I don’t advocate panpsychism and literally think that everything in the universe is somehow conscious, I better drop the semantics.
The way I see it, everything that most people find purposeful in life are PROXIMATE goals that are mostly made up of small and particular personal purposes and fulfillments that will most likely lead to the ULTIMATE goal of reproduction. What those PROXIMATE goals are more or less by products of, or illusions created by brain chemistry to trick us into seeking after and doing things that we think are meaningful that will increase the chances of an organism’s chances of survival, hence increased chances reproduction. But sometimes we don’t procreate or consume directly for the sake of consumption and reproduction itself, but we realize and manifest those natural mechanisms through unnatural and cultural means.
Because we are biological beings that are also embedded in culture, there are countless ways that those basic desires/needs of reproduction and consuming can be manifested. I look like the whole human life thing as a sphere (core of biological needs and mechanisms of drives that perhaps all other animals have) that is wrapped around by layers and layers of culture fabrics. And for those mechanisms of desires and needs at the core to “get out”, they will need to pass through different layers of cultural and social fabrics. By the time they are realized, they are pretty much all filtered up and distorted, and what on the core of it are simple biological instincts aren’t what originally appear to be anymore, so that sometimes it’s hard to see how anything we do can be traced back to elementary needs of reproduction and consuming.
Indeed, we often times do not consume or reproduce for the sole purpose of consumption or reproduction, but we do them through social means that are seem rosy and meaningful, with senses of purpose. But deep down inside we are still the addicted need machines that we have always been - organisms that are never meant to be satisfied. So we just consume, reproduce…and then consume some more…we just do it in style, that’s all.
[quote]digitalairair wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
I think that is where we differ. I find it hard to relate to anyone who sees life as an “accident” and our lives as “purposeless”.
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So what do you think life’s UNIVERSAL purpose is? Where does all of this life thing lead to, ultimately?
I’m sure a well-informed person like you have thought about this kind of arguments a great deal, and is familiar with the arguments from the other side, but I’ll spell out some basics of what I think anyway.
I’ll grant the universal and ultimate life the purpose of procreation, but that’s about it. I even hesitate to use the word purpose, since DNA molecules can’t really see long term goals, they care about is re-creating and make copies of themselves before nature gets rid of them. But then again, you can’t really use the word CARE in this context either because that would imply that molecules have consciousness. And since I don’t advocate panpsychism and literally think that everything in the universe is somehow conscious, I better drop the semantics.
The way I see it, everything that most people find purposeful in life are PROXIMATE goals that are mostly made up of small and particular personal purposes and fulfillments that will most likely lead to the ULTIMATE goal of reproduction. What those PROXIMATE goals are more or less by products of, or illusions created by brain chemistry to trick us into seeking after and doing things that we think are meaningful that will increase the chances of an organism’s chances of survival, hence increased chances reproduction. But sometimes we don’t procreate or consume directly for the sake of consumption and reproduction itself, but we realize and manifest those natural mechanisms through unnatural and cultural means.
Because we are biological beings that are also embedded in culture, there are countless ways that those basic desires/needs of reproduction and consuming can be manifested. I look like the whole human life thing as a sphere (core of biological needs and mechanisms of drives that perhaps all other animals have) that is wrapped around by layers and layers of culture fabrics. And for those mechanisms of desires and needs at the core to “get out”, they will need to pass through different layers of cultural and social fabrics. By the time they are realized, they are pretty much all filtered up and distorted, and what on the core of it are simple biological instincts aren’t what originally appear to be anymore, so that sometimes it’s hard to see how anything we do can be traced back to elementary needs of reproduction and consuming.
Indeed, we often times do not consume or reproduce for the sole purpose of consumption or reproduction, but we do them through social means that are seem rosy and meaningful, with senses of purpose. But deep down inside we are still the addicted need machines that we have always been - organisms that are never meant to be satisfied. So we just consume, reproduce…and then consume some more…we just do it in style, that’s all.
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No matter how evolutionarily predictable our behaviors are, no matter how much they can be traced back to specific cultural and biological imperatives, no matter how cold and impersonal and deterministic our species, life and this universe can be shown to be, it STILL doesn’t say anything one way or another about purpose. You certainly cannot. You can only guess that this is the case.
If you want to believe we are just wet robots, ultimately unable to control so much as a blink of our eyes, suit yourself. But don’t be under any illusions you have figured something out that the rest of us have not.
^^ this thread just got too deep for me.
[quote]Loudog75 wrote:
^^ this thread just got too deep for me.
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Hah! That could be taken two ways.
[quote]Iron Dwarf wrote:
[quote]Loudog75 wrote:
^^ this thread just got too deep for me.
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Hah! That could be taken two ways.
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and that can be taken 3
So did the Situation model himself after Zyzz, or the other way around?
[quote]fnf wrote:
So did the Situation model himself after Zyzz, or the other way around?[/quote]
Blasphemy!
[quote]Fuzzyapple.Train wrote:
[quote]fnf wrote:
So did the Situation model himself after Zyzz, or the other way around?[/quote]
Blasphemy![/quote]
They are clearly the same person. The Situation’s side project was Zyzz, but he got tired of it, so he decided to ditch it by claiming that Zyzz is dead. Most Zyzz nut huggers on the other site which shall not be mentioned know that Zyzz is not a man but an idea. Only they didn’t know he was a marketing idea of the Situation.
[quote]digitalairair wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
I think that is where we differ. I find it hard to relate to anyone who sees life as an “accident” and our lives as “purposeless”.
[/quote]
So what do you think life’s UNIVERSAL purpose is? Where does all of this life thing lead to, ultimately?
I’m sure a well-informed person like you have thought about this kind of arguments a great deal, and is familiar with the arguments from the other side, but I’ll spell out some basics of what I think anyway.
I’ll grant the universal and ultimate life the purpose of procreation, but that’s about it. I even hesitate to use the word purpose, since DNA molecules can’t really see long term goals, they care about is re-creating and make copies of themselves before nature gets rid of them. But then again, you can’t really use the word CARE in this context either because that would imply that molecules have consciousness. And since I don’t advocate panpsychism and literally think that everything in the universe is somehow conscious, I better drop the semantics.
The way I see it, everything that most people find purposeful in life are PROXIMATE goals that are mostly made up of small and particular personal purposes and fulfillments that will most likely lead to the ULTIMATE goal of reproduction. What those PROXIMATE goals are more or less by products of, or illusions created by brain chemistry to trick us into seeking after and doing things that we think are meaningful that will increase the chances of an organism’s chances of survival, hence increased chances reproduction. But sometimes we don’t procreate or consume directly for the sake of consumption and reproduction itself, but we realize and manifest those natural mechanisms through unnatural and cultural means.
Because we are biological beings that are also embedded in culture, there are countless ways that those basic desires/needs of reproduction and consuming can be manifested. I look like the whole human life thing as a sphere (core of biological needs and mechanisms of drives that perhaps all other animals have) that is wrapped around by layers and layers of culture fabrics. And for those mechanisms of desires and needs at the core to “get out”, they will need to pass through different layers of cultural and social fabrics. By the time they are realized, they are pretty much all filtered up and distorted, and what on the core of it are simple biological instincts aren’t what originally appear to be anymore, so that sometimes it’s hard to see how anything we do can be traced back to elementary needs of reproduction and consuming.
Indeed, we often times do not consume or reproduce for the sole purpose of consumption or reproduction, but we do them through social means that are seem rosy and meaningful, with senses of purpose. But deep down inside we are still the addicted need machines that we have always been - organisms that are never meant to be satisfied. So we just consume, reproduce…and then consume some more…we just do it in style, that’s all.
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Lol lets read a bunch of Stephen Hawking books and take that as our own belief system.
Does muscle milk and pounding vag count as a universal belief system??
[quote]dshroy wrote:
Does muscle milk and pounding vag count as a universal belief system??[/quote]
Yes its called being human
[quote]Sarev0k wrote:
Lol lets read a bunch of Stephen Hawking books and take that as our own belief system.
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I cant stand that Christopher Reeves wannabe
[quote]gregron wrote:
[quote]Sarev0k wrote:
Lol lets read a bunch of Stephen Hawking books and take that as our own belief system.
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I cant stand that Christopher Reeves wannabe[/quote]
What’s the opposite of Christopher Reeve?
Christopher Walken.
[quote]Edevus wrote:
http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/sydney-nsw/bodybuilder-aziz-zyzz-shavershian-killed-by-heart-defect/story-e6freuzi-1226112713390
I don’t really know much about him (I don’t visit 4chan, but my best friend does) but I have read some people mentioning him here, so I suppose this is interesting.
It seems he overdid it with cheap steroids he bought in Bangkok. Again, this is what I have read, I have no idea myself.[/quote]
Ummmm, the article says, he died from an undiagnosed heart condition. where does it say, "he died from over doing cheap steroids. Haven’t we learned by now, that steroids do not kill. I have never heard of anyone ever dying directly from steroids. steroids have been around since when, the 60’s and how many people have used and have died from it? stop with these inane threads.
[quote]Edevus wrote:
[quote]Sharp4850 wrote:
What do you mean by “he overdid it with cheap steroids?”
The article you posted said he had a congenital heart defect. Steroids were not mentioned.[/quote]
There’s an article by a local Australian newspaper which includes a comment by one of his friends. It was something like Zyzz with steroids was like a kid with free candy and that he should slow down. I didn’t paste it because the source was Facebook (Zyzz’s fan page I think) and in my opinion, it’s not credible enough.
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Again, steroids have never killed anyone.
[quote]Iron Dwarf wrote:
[quote]gregron wrote:
[quote]Sarev0k wrote:
Lol lets read a bunch of Stephen Hawking books and take that as our own belief system.
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I cant stand that Christopher Reeves wannabe[/quote]
What’s the opposite of Christopher Reeve?
Christopher Walken. [/quote]
ZING!!!
[quote]roguevampire wrote:
[quote]Edevus wrote:
http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/sydney-nsw/bodybuilder-aziz-zyzz-shavershian-killed-by-heart-defect/story-e6freuzi-1226112713390
I don’t really know much about him (I don’t visit 4chan, but my best friend does) but I have read some people mentioning him here, so I suppose this is interesting.
It seems he overdid it with cheap steroids he bought in Bangkok. Again, this is what I have read, I have no idea myself.[/quote]
Ummmm, the article says, he died from an undiagnosed heart condition. where does it say, "he died from over doing cheap steroids. Haven’t we learned by now, that steroids do not kill. I have never heard of anyone ever dying directly from steroids. steroids have been around since when, the 60’s and how many people have used and have died from it? stop with these inane threads. [/quote]
h(5). That is all.
[quote]Iron Dwarf wrote:
[quote]gregron wrote:
[quote]Sarev0k wrote:
Lol lets read a bunch of Stephen Hawking books and take that as our own belief system.
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I cant stand that Christopher Reeves wannabe[/quote]
What’s the opposite of Christopher Reeve?
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Anyone who’s not dead.
Wokka.
Wokka.