Zyzz Found Dead

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No matter how he lived his life, or why he died, can’t we just agree a 23 year old who shared similar passions as us dying is tragic? Who the fuck cares if he wasn’t perfect and acted like 90 pct of 23 year olds… Some of these posts analyzing coke vs heavy lifting are getting fucking ridiculous.

He banked on his internet fame, had his own protein line, shirts, made club appearances for cash, etc. All while training, working as a personal trainer, and attending classes at a local university. If it is so easy to do so, then go do it and get rich. If not, quit wasting your time trying to belittle accomplishments and the memory of someone who has passed…

In other news, that Justin Bieber pic is awesome.

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I got my heart to spike up to 198 bpm doing max effort squats before. It was only for a second, but I wanted to see how high it got.

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I need some coke in order to get those numbers up on bench.

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[quote]DTP88 wrote:
No matter how he lived his life, or why he died, can’t we just agree a 23 year old who shared similar passions as us dying is tragic? Who the fuck cares if he wasn’t perfect and acted like 90 pct of 23 year olds… Some of these posts analyzing coke vs heavy lifting are getting fucking ridiculous.

He banked on his internet fame, had his own protein line, shirts, made club appearances for cash, etc. All while training, working as a personal trainer, and attending classes at a local university. If it is so easy to do so, then go do it and get rich. If not, quit wasting your time trying to belittle accomplishments and the memory of someone who has passed…

In other news, that Justin Bieber pic is awesome.[/quote]

I agree with not continuing the negative comments…but he was 23…not 15. I am not sure it is any more “tragic” than someone 7 years older than him dying.

I just find it odd that some seem to think “23 years old” is still some age where you say it was so tragic. I didn’t know the guy…but he wasn’t curing cancer.

A 23 year old dying while working on his thesis called “How I cured AIDs” would be tragic.

But then, so would a 30 year old working on the same thing.

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Prof X, you just reminded me of an odd thing that maybe others can relate to.

At around 22-24, a whole assload of people I knew started dropping like flies. Either by straight up overdose or some other careless drug related misadventure.

Right around 30-33, a whole other wave of people started dropping off with car wrecks and the occasional homicide.

Now at 39 it’s more sporadic but more deliberate. People dying of hard life heart failure or cirrhosis/pancreatic failure, some eating a gun and a couple others hanging themselves.

Its like it comes in waves or stages of life. These age ranges seem like transitional periods in life where some people move through them and on to better things or stop permanently.

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[quote]SkyzykS wrote:
Prof X, you just reminded me of an odd thing that maybe others can relate to.

At around 22-24, a whole assload of people I knew started dropping like flies. Either by straight up overdose or some other careless drug related misadventure.

Right around 30-33, a whole other wave of people started dropping off with car wrecks and the occasional homicide.

Now at 39 it’s more sporadic but more deliberate. People dying of hard life heart failure or cirrhosis/pancreatic failure, some eating a gun and a couple others hanging themselves.

Its like it comes in waves or stages of life. These age ranges seem like transitional periods in life where some people move through them and on to better things or stop permanently.

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No, SkyzykS. I cannot relate to it. That’s a hell of a lot of death all around you, man.

Then again, I’ve probably sheltered myself too much to experience such numbers.

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It is. Not that I’m exceptionally social, but a friend of mine has commented a number of times that we can’t go anywhere that I don’t either know someone or make friends very quickly.

Unfortunately, a common theme in the social circles I used to travel through was a whole lot of drug and alcohol use/abuse. That shit has a price.

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Yeah, I only knew of one person my age who died while I was 22-24. That’s probably only true if you’re enrolled in the armed forces and they’re oversees.

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But you’re right about the careless drug related misadventure part. Two of my friends got into a car extremely hammered and the one in the passenger seat died when they crashed.

They were going some ridiculous speed in a residential area.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]DTP88 wrote:
No matter how he lived his life, or why he died, can’t we just agree a 23 year old who shared similar passions as us dying is tragic? Who the fuck cares if he wasn’t perfect and acted like 90 pct of 23 year olds… Some of these posts analyzing coke vs heavy lifting are getting fucking ridiculous.

He banked on his internet fame, had his own protein line, shirts, made club appearances for cash, etc. All while training, working as a personal trainer, and attending classes at a local university. If it is so easy to do so, then go do it and get rich. If not, quit wasting your time trying to belittle accomplishments and the memory of someone who has passed…

In other news, that Justin Bieber pic is awesome.[/quote]

I agree with not continuing the negative comments…but he was 23…not 15. I am not sure it is any more “tragic” than someone 7 years older than him dying.

I just find it odd that some seem to think “23 years old” is still some age where you say it was so tragic. I didn’t know the guy…but he wasn’t curing cancer.

A 23 year old dying while working on his thesis called “How I cured AIDs” would be tragic.

But then, so would a 30 year old working on the same thing.
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I said it’s “tragic” because he’s 23. He has yet to establish himself in a carreer, graduate college, yet to settle down, experience tons of things. Also, a mother shouldn’t have to bury a son… I could only imagine.

In my opinion a young death, be it 15, 23, or 30 is tragic. I don’t think someone needs to be doing great things for humanity like curing cancer for it to be a tragedy.

Also worthy to note he’s my age, and had some similar short term goals as me… So to me it is a tragedy, if it’s not to you so be it. No point arguing. Unless it’s about that Beiber pic… is that Lesukovs body?

RIP

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[quote]SkyzykS wrote:
Prof X, you just reminded me of an odd thing that maybe others can relate to.

At around 22-24, a whole assload of people I knew started dropping like flies. Either by straight up overdose or some other careless drug related misadventure.

Right around 30-33, a whole other wave of people started dropping off with car wrecks and the occasional homicide.

Now at 39 it’s more sporadic but more deliberate. People dying of hard life heart failure or cirrhosis/pancreatic failure, some eating a gun and a couple others hanging themselves.

Its like it comes in waves or stages of life. These age ranges seem like transitional periods in life where some people move through them and on to better things or stop permanently.

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I agree with this. However, I knew a lot of people who died around the age of 20-25. I had one friend who died of a heart attack at 27. My best friend when I was a kid died before we were 8 years old. I grew up around it…and as a result, if I had to tell the truth, I was shocked I reached 30 years of age on some level.

But, my main point is that people now consider grown men “too young to die”…when death is going to take every single one of us and 100 years ago, 23 years of age wasn’t even considered young. You were old by then.

It just struck me as odd that a grown man of 23 can die, especially under the circumstances here, and people’s response is how tragic it is. He had money. He had fun. He died partying. Where is the TRAGEDY?

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]SkyzykS wrote:
Prof X, you just reminded me of an odd thing that maybe others can relate to.

At around 22-24, a whole assload of people I knew started dropping like flies. Either by straight up overdose or some other careless drug related misadventure.

Right around 30-33, a whole other wave of people started dropping off with car wrecks and the occasional homicide.

Now at 39 it’s more sporadic but more deliberate. People dying of hard life heart failure or cirrhosis/pancreatic failure, some eating a gun and a couple others hanging themselves.

Its like it comes in waves or stages of life. These age ranges seem like transitional periods in life where some people move through them and on to better things or stop permanently.

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I agree with this. However, I knew a lot of people who died around the age of 20-25. I had one friend who died of a heart attack at 27. My best friend when I was a kid died before we were 8 years old. I grew up around it…and as a result, if I had to tell the truth, I was shocked I reached 30 years of age on some level.

But, my main point is that people now consider grown men “too young to die”…when death is going to take every single one of us and 100 years ago, 23 years of age wasn’t even considered young. You were old by then.

It just struck me as odd that a grown man of 23 can die, especially under the circumstances here. He had money. He had fun. He died partying. Where is the TRAGEDY?[/quote]

That he’s dead :\

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[quote]DTP88 wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]SkyzykS wrote:
Prof X, you just reminded me of an odd thing that maybe others can relate to.

At around 22-24, a whole assload of people I knew started dropping like flies. Either by straight up overdose or some other careless drug related misadventure.

Right around 30-33, a whole other wave of people started dropping off with car wrecks and the occasional homicide.

Now at 39 it’s more sporadic but more deliberate. People dying of hard life heart failure or cirrhosis/pancreatic failure, some eating a gun and a couple others hanging themselves.

Its like it comes in waves or stages of life. These age ranges seem like transitional periods in life where some people move through them and on to better things or stop permanently.

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I agree with this. However, I knew a lot of people who died around the age of 20-25. I had one friend who died of a heart attack at 27. My best friend when I was a kid died before we were 8 years old. I grew up around it…and as a result, if I had to tell the truth, I was shocked I reached 30 years of age on some level.

But, my main point is that people now consider grown men “too young to die”…when death is going to take every single one of us and 100 years ago, 23 years of age wasn’t even considered young. You were old by then.

It just struck me as odd that a grown man of 23 can die, especially under the circumstances here. He had money. He had fun. He died partying. Where is the TRAGEDY?[/quote]

That he’s dead :[/quote]

Well, that is more natural than a tragedy. People who overdose on drugs in Thailand are likely to die.

People who ride motorcycles increase their chances of going out that way.

That’s life.

I ride a motorcycle.

If I die today, don’t say it was tragic.

Say, “That fucker did what he wanted to do and died that way too…let’s go eat a hamburger in his honor”.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]DTP88 wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]SkyzykS wrote:
Prof X, you just reminded me of an odd thing that maybe others can relate to.

At around 22-24, a whole assload of people I knew started dropping like flies. Either by straight up overdose or some other careless drug related misadventure.

Right around 30-33, a whole other wave of people started dropping off with car wrecks and the occasional homicide.

Now at 39 it’s more sporadic but more deliberate. People dying of hard life heart failure or cirrhosis/pancreatic failure, some eating a gun and a couple others hanging themselves.

Its like it comes in waves or stages of life. These age ranges seem like transitional periods in life where some people move through them and on to better things or stop permanently.

[/quote]

I agree with this. However, I knew a lot of people who died around the age of 20-25. I had one friend who died of a heart attack at 27. My best friend when I was a kid died before we were 8 years old. I grew up around it…and as a result, if I had to tell the truth, I was shocked I reached 30 years of age on some level.

But, my main point is that people now consider grown men “too young to die”…when death is going to take every single one of us and 100 years ago, 23 years of age wasn’t even considered young. You were old by then.

It just struck me as odd that a grown man of 23 can die, especially under the circumstances here. He had money. He had fun. He died partying. Where is the TRAGEDY?[/quote]

That he’s dead :[/quote]

Well, that is more natural than a tragedy. People who overdose on drugs in Thailand are likely to die.

People who ride motorcycles increase their chances of going out that way.

That’s life.

I ride a motorcycle.

If I die today, don’t say it was tragic.

Say, “That fucker did what he wanted to do and died that way too…let’s go eat a hamburger in his honor”.[/quote]

I’ll enjoy a cup of raw eggs in your honor, Doc. :wink:

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LOL…only if you pour them on the ground and say,“this one’s for my homie…Big X”.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
LOL…only if you pour them on the ground and say,“this one’s for my homie…Big X”.[/quote]

LOL! Will do! Sort of a metaphoric Humpty Dumpty.

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Also, by 23 I had been out of college for YEARS. I really don;t understand acting like he still a kid. He wasn’t. The average guy in med school is around that age if they went all of the way through non-stop.

23 just isn’t that young…even though we live in a society that basically acts like you aren’t grown until 30-35.

On some level I can agree. I was not mature enough at 23 looking back. Hell, I may never be because I’m just a big kid anyway. But what I wasn’t was still twisting in the wind looking for basic life direction like many today.

He didn’t seem to be either. That was his career. That was why he had 20K to blow on…blow.

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Actually, his death is literally tragic, at least in the sense the word is used in literature.

We’ve bastardized that word a bit and generally use it to discuss anything which is sad and unfortunate.

A tragic death is defined as one which comes about as the result of a character flaw, whereas a heroic death is one which results from a character strength.

For example, a soldier dying in battle, while unfortunate, is not a tragic death, it is a heroic one (obviously we’re assuming this soldier died for something he believed in and was not killed because of blatant negligence on his own part).

If we accept that Zyzz’s death was brought about in part by his party habits, and assume those are “flaws” in his character or lifestyle, then we must define his death as tragic.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
Also, by 23 I had been out of college for YEARS. I really don;t understand acting like he still a kid. He wasn’t. The average guy in med school is around that age if they went all of the way through non-stop.

23 just isn’t that young…even though we live in a society that basically acts like you aren’t grown until 30-35.

On some level I can agree. I was not mature enough at 23 looking back. Hell, I may never be because I’m just a big kid anyway. But what I wasn’t was still twisting in the wind looking for basic life direction like many today.

He didn’t seem to be either. That was his career. That was why he had 20K to blow on…blow.[/quote]

I matured quite late, but I never did (too) stupid things. Maybe because I was very young when I discovered about death (my cousin, my mother’s friend, etc.) I learned to “fear” it, so my only “stupid” situations were for honourable cases (helping and protecting people), not just because I felt immortal.

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[quote]John Romaniello wrote:

A tragic death is defined as one which comes about as the result of a character flaw, whereas a heroic death is one which results from a character strength.

For example, a soldier dying in battle, while unfortunate, is not a tragic death, it is a heroic one (obviously we’re assuming this soldier died for something he believed in and was not killed because of blatant negligence on his own part).

If we accept that Zyzz’s death was brought about in part by his party habits, and assume those are “flaws” in his character or lifestyle, then we must define his death as tragic.

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Then again, the man was in Thailand and was grown enough to know what he was getting into. I haven’t seen a coroner’s report…and has there even been an autopsy? If not, then all else is speculation and nothing more.

Honestly, for character flaws to have the power to give direct name to tragedy, then nearly every pro bodybuilder who ever died like Mentzer did was a tragedy as well…but I am betting few here would see it that way.

On some level I can agree that someone with true personal issues that lead to death can be tragic…but where is the real personal issue here? That he like being high? That he liked to do drugs?

Those were choices. No one did that to him…and unless you can identify a true psychological disorder, then it isn’t that tragic.

Good debate though.