Was wondering about the instructions on the side of the ZMA bottle
it says not to take it with foods containing calcium.
i sometimes drink a Metabolic Drive comp. shake about an hour before bed… can i take zma 15 mins before bed and be fine or is there something bad about this mixture?
im not sure i take calcium before bed so id like to know also
Why are you taking your night time shake 1 hour before bed?
My suggestion would be to take ZMA 30-45 min before bed and the MD shake right before bed.
[quote]ShaneM686 wrote:
i sometimes drink a Metabolic Drive comp. shake about an hour before bed… can i take zma 15 mins before bed and be fine or is there something bad about this mixture?[/quote]
This is probably fine, although I usually try to give myself an hour between calcium-rich foods and taking ZMA.
No the calcium content of Metabolic Drive will not effect ZMA,
Unless, you happen to drink your Metabolic Drive with milk that is 
[quote]Corkonian wrote:
No the calcium content of Metabolic Drive will not effect ZMA,
Unless, you happen to drink your Metabolic Drive with milk that is :)[/quote]
Why is that…calcium is calcium and it says don’t take it with ZMA on the bottle.
Calcium impairs digestion of other nutrients. It’s especially bad about blocking zinc uptake. So if you’re chugging dairy within about two hours of taking the ZMA, you might as well just throw the pills away every night.
[quote]Corkonian wrote:
No the calcium content of Metabolic Drive will not effect ZMA,
Unless, you happen to drink your Metabolic Drive with milk that is :)[/quote]
huh? it has a high value of daily calcium in it.
I would so another poster suggested.
30-45 mins before bed take ZMA then right before bed take the Metabolic Drive.
i’m glad this thread was posted to remind me of this. i was slacking off and taking zma with or too close to my MD shake.
Forgive me of my ignorance, but isn’t my MD going to be sitting in my stomach longer than 30-45min? Therefore it will interact with the ZMA.
My main question is this… is there a harmful effect to this combination of zinc/mag+calcium or a negating effect?
If it negates some of it, obv I don’t care that much, and will continue taking it with some time lapse, as I have been, but I was hoping a nutrition nut/chemist could shed some light on the topic.
Like if i put a warning on food not to be eatin 20 min before jumping in the pool… it’d just be for feeling nausea not really harmful. If you can see what I mean.
5 post from the top of page 2. Cy had said to wait at least an hour.
[quote]dreads989 wrote:
http://www.T-Nation.com/free_online_forum/sports_body_training_performance_bodybuilding_article/eta_for_zma?id=459980&pageNo=1
5 post from the top of page 2. Cy had said to wait at least an hour.[/quote]
Much thanks good sir, I will keep this in mind.
Hey guys. I’m not sure about ZMA and MD at night. I’ve been asking myself this for a while and am wondering if someone can enlighten me.
ZMA is to be taken on an empty stomach before bedtime and w/o any calcium because it will block absorption of the ZMA. MD has calcium and turns into a gel once in the stomach. So, the slow release protein casein (milk=calcium) stays in the GI tract for about 7 hours according to the description. If the ZMA has not totally been absorbed by the body then the MD will hinder it’s absorption.
The only way to fix this is if the ZMA is dissolved and absorbed totally before MD ingestion. I guess my question is, how long before ZMA is absorbed so I can take my MD and that both will be effective?
I appreciate all positive comments and corrections to this logic.
[quote]ShaneM686 wrote:
My main question is this… is there a harmful effect to this combination of zinc/mag+calcium or a negating effect?
If it negates some of it, obv I don’t care that much, and will continue taking it with some time lapse, as I have been, but I was hoping a nutrition nut/chemist could shed some light on the topic.[/quote]
This was a problem that plagued our ancestors back in the cave-dwelling days. So many perished due to inadequate zinc absorption on account of getting their zinc in the same meals as their calcium.
Mankind might well have perished off the face of the earth, but a savior, Victor Countrocks, had a revelation, a vision, a picture in his head! And the very next time he saw his fellow caveman trying to eat ignorantly, he said “Zog, you fool! Don’t you know that the calcium in that root will interfere with absorption of zinc from the deer penis?”
And mankind was saved.
What if you drank your MD with water, It wouldnt taste as good but the calcium content is alot lower so you could take both right before bed…
[quote]Bill Roberts wrote:
ShaneM686 wrote:
My main question is this… is there a harmful effect to this combination of zinc/mag+calcium or a negating effect?
If it negates some of it, obv I don’t care that much, and will continue taking it with some time lapse, as I have been, but I was hoping a nutrition nut/chemist could shed some light on the topic.
This was a problem that plagued our ancestors back in the cave-dwelling days. So many perished due to inadequate zinc absorption on account of getting their zinc in the same meals as their calcium.
Mankind might well have perished off the face of the earth, but a savior, Victor Countrocks, had a revelation, a vision, a picture in his head! And the very next time he saw his fellow caveman trying to eat ignorantly, he said “Zog, you fool! Don’t you know that the calcium in that root will interfere with absorption of zinc from the deer penis?”
And mankind was saved.[/quote]
Jews beat him to it. No mixing of dairy and meat, circumcision, first Abrahamic religion… Brushes dirt off shoulder
thank goodness Zog saved mankind from eating deer penis…oh wait, we should be eating deer penis to help with our zinc deficiencies. thanks, bill for clearing this up. i’ll ask for deer penis next time at the health foods store and see what they have to say, haha.
“The present data suggest that the use of ZMA has no significant effects regarding serum testosterone levels and the metabolism of testosterone in subjects who consume a zinc-sufficient diet.”
That’s the conclusion reached by a double-blind study on ZMA. Unlike the other big ZMA study, this one was not funded by a company selling ZMA. So take your ZMA with anything you want, because it probably doesn’t do anything. You can read the study at:
http://www.nature.com/ejcn/journal/v63/n1/full/1602899a.html
[quote]GusBus07 wrote:
thank goodness Zog saved mankind from eating deer penis…oh wait, we should be eating deer penis to help with our zinc deficiencies. [/quote]
But only if you don’t eat that calcium-containing root at the same time. Oh, the pain, the pain, the horrible pain.
[quote]supabeast wrote:
“The present data suggest that the use of ZMA has no significant effects regarding serum testosterone levels and the metabolism of testosterone in subjects who consume a zinc-sufficient diet.”
That’s the conclusion reached by a double-blind study on ZMA. Unlike the other big ZMA study, this one was not funded by a company selling ZMA. So take your ZMA with anything you want, because it probably doesn’t do anything. You can read the study at:
Serum testosterone and urinary excretion of steroid hormone metabolites after administration of a high-dose zinc supplement | European Journal of Clinical Nutrition [/quote]
I take ZMA because it significantly improves my sleep, not because of any effects it may have on my T level.
I’m curious, though, how many consume enough Zinc anyway?