Roger Walker never said Franco gave Arnold coke on the podcast. If I remember correctly he stated Arnold looked scared, small and never should’ve won. But I wouldn’t be surprised if that story was true.
When we discussed the '80 Mr O, for the pending documentary, Roger spilled the beans on all he saw and what transpired.
Jamie Lee Curtis called earlier. She told me Tom Arnold gave Arnold tons of coke on the set of True Lies.
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What I’d expect from immaturity.
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He was there! Stood next to Arnold. I don’t care what you think you know … you don’t!
I’ve been in this game for decades, and can see further than your self opinionated limited outlook. You probably don’t even live in Australia, or spoken to anyone who was on stage that day.
I’m free to post what I like, you don’t own this forum. I’m not here to debate you … you’re an idiot! I wrote what Roger told me, like it or not. I have known Ell since '83, so don’t get all high and mighty drop-kick.
I also discussed the travesty with Mike Mentzer, who told me how it was. So Mr Authority, who’s the one left in the shadows now?
Keep believing what you like, as limited as it is. Btw the earth really isn’t flat!
I think that the training of “peak Mentzer” (1975-1980) was a very effective way to train. Back then he was low-volume, but not as low as his later work like the Consolidated routine or even the original Heavy Duty.
It’s important to note that when Mentzer was at his personal peak, physique-wise, his weekly volume was significantly higher than his Heavy Duty recommendations.
It was still low-volume, still high-effort. But not taken to the extremes of Heavy Duty (and the consolidated routine).
He also used a lot of pre-fatigue supersets and even triple sets. Which made his workouts short, but still with some volume.
Here’s a graphic from one of my seminars:
As you can see, prime Mentzer’s training was similar in volume (but different in structure) as Dorian Yates training. Which is a pretty good volume range.
I believe that Heavy Duty and, eventually, the consolidated routine, was more of an intellectual or theoretical exercise; an idea pushed to its extreme like you mentioned.
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#1…I don’t have to prove myself to you! Roger and I spoke for well over an hour, and in that time he revealed ALL! I don’t care if you have issues with the truth. That’s your problem not mine.
I spoke to Roger just the other week, on another project he’s agreed to be part of. Maybe it will be revealed, for one and all, then.
As for “your history”, I couldn’t care less! You’ve only been here a couple of years.
Mike was having lots of success on his CR during the mid to late 90’s. He took a month to entice me to try it. And, as he expected, I did well.
He knew it wasn’t for everyone. It was “experimental”, as he was in a period of testing out his methods as he told me.
And don’t forget…Roger Schwab assisted Mike for 3 months prior to the 1980 Mr.O, at Rogers gym…Mike did fullbody 3x/week using primarily nautilus equipment…about 12 to 15 exercises
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Roger told me, when Mike, Ray, or Casey wanted to gain mass, they all resorted to full-body HIT workouts.
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A video? When the '80 documentary comes out, which I have assisted with, then you’ll get your “video”.
I don’t need to “dig” about you. I’m not the one stifled when faced with facts. No “claims” here, just the truth.
Roger’s number is in my contacts, that’s also a fact!
Yep, right on. Traditional HIT… pretty far from Heavy Duty and the Consolidated routine
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Interesting. Don’t get me wrong. Any hard training will yield results. Doesn’t mean that its idea or, as you mentioned, the best plan for everyone.
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I’d easily believe that
You are, hands down, the biggest moron I have ever seen here! And that’s saying something, following Waynes and Southb$tch!
Clearly you’ve spoken to no-one, yet think you know it all. I feel for you, living in a fools paradise.
Here, Mr Expert, what Roger told me…I trained Mike and Ray on several occasions. I also trained Casey and Danny Padilla once. They all trained EXACTLY the same. They each did 14 exercises. 5 for the lower body and 9 for the upper body. No split routines. Full body workouts. This was the workout that THEY asked for, NOT one that I suggested.
Any deniers can ask Roger Schwab himself, he is on facebook and he owns an Xforce gym in philly
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In competitive bodybuilding there are no facts. At best, it is a subjective competition. The only facts are “meta facts:” time, place, who competed, who judged.
So a competitor told you something.
The only fact is that he told you something.
- He was at the show.
- He competed in the show.
- He saw the other bodybuilders in the show.
- He has an opinion about who should have won.
Go back and study the individual scoring of the competitors by judge, then the totals. I’ll help you a little: The top three (Arnold, Zane, and Dickerson) far out paced those below them.
I wasn’t there. I don’t know how I would have scored them. But clearly, the top three jump off the page.
You should know that the head judge does the callouts. It becomes clear very quickly who he thinks the top men are.
I do know from my experience, if the fix was in for Arnold, it was in when the panel was chosen. A single “rogue” judge cannot affect the outcome. It looks like judge #6 is that “rogue” judge. He, through his scoring, picked Arnold tied for 8th.
That just makes it worse. Arnold won the Olympia high on coke.
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IMHO…no facts just opinion and i am not a judge and only am going by pictures or videos from the shows, therefore my opinion is worthless
1980 and 1981 was a fix from the beginning
there have been other champions thru-out the years that should not have won certain years
thats how Weider rolled, he ruled the competitions and what he wanted he got