Your Soul vs Future Bliss

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[quote]Amonero wrote:
WolBarret wrote:
Amonero wrote:
WolBarret wrote:
Amonero wrote:
No God, no Devil, no Heaven, no Hell.

Only your ideas about them.

Says the Atheist.

You say I am an atheist, not me.

A child is borne, never hears about God in any shape or form, never learns any language. Where is the Christian, Muslim or Hindu God?

Believe in something or die empty. Not that there’s anything wrong with that.

Where are your beliefs when you’re dead?

Emptiness is also openness. There is too much innate beauty in the world and this body for belief to take its place.

[/quote]

I like that emptiness is openness quote.

But there’s atheists in fox holes. If you believe in something, then what are you? Nothing. It helps to believe in something bigger than yourself. Keeps you humble.

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For those who believe no explanation is necessary…for those who don’t believe no explanation is possible

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[quote]WolBarret wrote:
Amonero wrote:
WolBarret wrote:
Amonero wrote:
WolBarret wrote:
Amonero wrote:
No God, no Devil, no Heaven, no Hell.

Only your ideas about them.

Says the Atheist.

You say I am an atheist, not me.

A child is borne, never hears about God in any shape or form, never learns any language. Where is the Christian, Muslim or Hindu God?

Believe in something or die empty. Not that there’s anything wrong with that.

Where are your beliefs when you’re dead?

Emptiness is also openness. There is too much innate beauty in the world and this body for belief to take its place.

I like that emptiness is openness quote.

But there’s atheists in fox holes. If you believe in something, then what are you? Nothing. It helps to believe in something bigger than yourself. Keeps you humble.[/quote]

I’m pretty humble knowing that I’m a speck, sitting on a rock many magnitudes greater than myself. A rock that orbits at speeds I could not comprehend around a nuclear furnace the size and heat of which I could not comprehend. Which just happens to be one of billions of furnaces and rocks and gigantic balls of gas sitting in this one galaxy, surrounded by so many other galaxies. It also just so happens that I am one of billions of people on this rock and one of many, many more life forms that intricately inter-connect and depend on each other for basic survival.

You don’t need a god to keep you humble.

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whoever smelt it, dealt it.

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[quote]The other Rob wrote:
WolBarret wrote:
Amonero wrote:
WolBarret wrote:
Amonero wrote:
WolBarret wrote:
Amonero wrote:
No God, no Devil, no Heaven, no Hell.

Only your ideas about them.

Says the Atheist.

You say I am an atheist, not me.

A child is borne, never hears about God in any shape or form, never learns any language. Where is the Christian, Muslim or Hindu God?

Believe in something or die empty. Not that there’s anything wrong with that.

Where are your beliefs when you’re dead?

Emptiness is also openness. There is too much innate beauty in the world and this body for belief to take its place.

I like that emptiness is openness quote.

But there’s atheists in fox holes. If you believe in something, then what are you? Nothing. It helps to believe in something bigger than yourself. Keeps you humble.

I’m pretty humble knowing that I’m a speck, sitting on a rock many magnitudes greater than myself. A rock that orbits at speeds I could not comprehend around a nuclear furnace the size and heat of which I could not comprehend. Which just happens to be one of billions of furnaces and rocks and gigantic balls of gas sitting in this one galaxy, surrounded by so many other galaxies. It also just so happens that I am one of billions of people on this rock and one of many, many more life forms that intricately inter-connect and depend on each other for basic survival.

You don’t need a god to keep you humble.[/quote]

If I didn’t think there was Heaven and Hell or a God judging by my actions, I’d probably be committing murders all across the USA. (And then the UK to finish you off!)

The discipline that religion puts on people is good. Its always good to believe in something bigger than yourself.

I don’t want some big debate, its too early in the morning. Just remember: Fear of an Eternity spent in Hell is the main reason I don’t go around hurting people. And I believe that applies to everybody.

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I don’t hurt people and I don’t believe in god, I had some street preacher tell me the same thing you did. I don’t see how you can lack the empathy and a sight of the bigger picture to the point that you need someone to tell you not to hurt people and threaten to punish you if you do. I’m not saying your an autistic dickwad… but…

Nah, seriously, if you really thought about it, would you be killing people if you thought there wasn’t a god?

Also over in England we have this thing called the law and a place called jail to stop people from killing each other who otherwise wouldn’t see a reason not to.

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[quote]WolBarret wrote:
If I didn’t think there was Heaven and Hell or a God judging by my actions, I’d probably be committing murders all across the USA. (And then the UK to finish you off!)
[/quote]

You don’t behave to go to heaven, you behave because it feels right from the goodness of your soul.

Even though I’m not a god loving/believe everything in the bible person, I’m glad religion/the bible exists, because it controls soulless drones like you.

…That may of been a bit harsh, but at least it puts my point across.

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[quote]bushidobadboy wrote:
WolBarret wrote:
If I didn’t think there was Heaven and Hell or a God judging by my actions, I’d probably be committing murders all across the USA. (And then the UK to finish you off!)

The discipline that religion puts on people is good. Its always good to believe in something bigger than yourself.

I don’t want some big debate, its too early in the morning. Just remember: Fear of an Eternity spent in Hell is the main reason I don’t go around hurting people. And I believe that applies to everybody.

People like you worry me. Basically what you seem to be saying is that you lack any internal moralism or sense of right and wrong, but instead rely on a ‘list’ of behavioural conduct ideals from an external source.

I actually don’t believe you (no offence), since I suspect that like most people, you know when something is the wrong thing to do, from a moral standpoint, not a practical one. Are you saying that if someone could conclusively convince you that God/Hell did not exist, you would therefore feel free to go out and kill? I suspect not.

TBH, it’s much the same with the law. If you rely on that to deter you from wrongdoing, then you are morally bankrupt, because the law only punishes you if you are caught. A bit like most of the politicians who run this country, lol. They knew it was the wrong thing to do, fiddling their expenses, but since it was within the letter of the law, they did it anyway. It is my firm opinion that they should lose their positions in government, since we (the proles) look to them for our moral example.

Personally I have my own, intricate set of moral codes. Ultimately though it boils down to this: treat others in the same way you would want to be treated, even if you suspect the person in question wouldn’t return the favour.

BBB[/quote]

Exactamundo.

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[quote]bushidobadboy wrote:
WolBarret wrote:
If I didn’t think there was Heaven and Hell or a God judging by my actions, I’d probably be committing murders all across the USA. (And then the UK to finish you off!)

The discipline that religion puts on people is good. Its always good to believe in something bigger than yourself.

I don’t want some big debate, its too early in the morning. Just remember: Fear of an Eternity spent in Hell is the main reason I don’t go around hurting people. And I believe that applies to everybody.

People like you worry me. Basically what you seem to be saying is that you lack any internal moralism or sense of right and wrong, but instead rely on a ‘list’ of behavioural conduct ideals from an external source.

I actually don’t believe you (no offence), since I suspect that like most people, you know when something is the wrong thing to do, from a moral standpoint, not a practical one. Are you saying that if someone could conclusively convince you that God/Hell did not exist, you would therefore feel free to go out and kill? I suspect not.

TBH, it’s much the same with the law. If you rely on that to deter you from wrongdoing, then you are morally bankrupt, because the law only punishes you if you are caught. A bit like most of the politicians who run this country, lol. They knew it was the wrong thing to do, fiddling their expenses, but since it was within the letter of the law, they did it anyway. It is my firm opinion that they should lose their positions in government, since we (the proles) look to them for our moral example.

Personally I have my own, intricate set of moral codes. Ultimately though it boils down to this: treat others in the same way you would want to be treated, even if you suspect the person in question wouldn’t return the favour.

BBB[/quote]

to add on to this, if you take a look at the the animal kingdom, most predators have what appears to be a sense of morality and balance. animals kill to eat or out of self defense, not because they were picked on in high school, or got passed over for promotion (AGAIN).

While Christian-Judaism Mythology enthusiasts will claim this sense of morality was instilled by God himself(herself?), I tend to disagree. However i can’t really provide facts, and last time i asked a mountain lion for confirmation it chewed my face off.

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My soul is already fucked.

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[quote]WolBarret wrote:
The other Rob wrote:
WolBarret wrote:
Amonero wrote:
WolBarret wrote:
Amonero wrote:
WolBarret wrote:
Amonero wrote:
No God, no Devil, no Heaven, no Hell.

Only your ideas about them.

Says the Atheist.

You say I am an atheist, not me.

A child is borne, never hears about God in any shape or form, never learns any language. Where is the Christian, Muslim or Hindu God?

Believe in something or die empty. Not that there’s anything wrong with that.

Where are your beliefs when you’re dead?

Emptiness is also openness. There is too much innate beauty in the world and this body for belief to take its place.

I like that emptiness is openness quote.

But there’s atheists in fox holes. If you believe in something, then what are you? Nothing. It helps to believe in something bigger than yourself. Keeps you humble.

I’m pretty humble knowing that I’m a speck, sitting on a rock many magnitudes greater than myself. A rock that orbits at speeds I could not comprehend around a nuclear furnace the size and heat of which I could not comprehend. Which just happens to be one of billions of furnaces and rocks and gigantic balls of gas sitting in this one galaxy, surrounded by so many other galaxies. It also just so happens that I am one of billions of people on this rock and one of many, many more life forms that intricately inter-connect and depend on each other for basic survival.

You don’t need a god to keep you humble.

If I didn’t think there was Heaven and Hell or a God judging by my actions, I’d probably be committing murders all across the USA. (And then the UK to finish you off!)

The discipline that religion puts on people is good. Its always good to believe in something bigger than yourself.

I don’t want some big debate, its too early in the morning. Just remember: Fear of an Eternity spent in Hell is the main reason I don’t go around hurting people. And I believe that applies to everybody.[/quote]

I find this unsettling being that you live somewhat close to me.

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To whoever replied to me:

I agree. You’re right. Valid point.

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Hell no.

Cause when I die, the world “dies”. Who cares about what they can’t percieve anymore?

So I would chose “bliss” or whatever it is.

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[quote]Ct. Rockula wrote:
Greetings from the sick one

Faced with the choice of burning in Hell forever for the opportunity to cure all global issues disease,hunger,war etc. forever

and

being a legend in whatever your desired career…the most innovative successful individual ever

would you take that offer?

you also will receive an extremely long life compared to most people say 150 years,perfect health…however you had to die in a horrible violent fashion

could you do that to free the world from the shackles of the ill?[/quote]

Perhaps the reason we have problems in life is b/c humanity has free will. IF there were no problems/challenges, not only would we lose out on massive spiritual growth opportunities, but we would also not have free will.

when people are happy, they usually do not grow spiritually (save for those few who actively seek growth), most fall into laziness. some sort of stagnation. when we are in pain we search for asolution, we seek growth. So… for many people, pleasure is the disease, and pain is the cure… for our spiritual ignorance.

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[quote]Ct. Rockula wrote:
Greetings from the sick one

Faced with the choice of burning in Hell forever for the opportunity to cure all global issues disease,hunger,war etc. forever

and

being a legend in whatever your desired career…the most innovative successful individual ever

would you take that offer?

you also will receive an extremely long life compared to most people say 150 years,perfect health…however you had to die in a horrible violent fashion

could you do that to free the world from the shackles of the ill?[/quote]

So you’re giving me the choice of basicly save mankind and paying for it with eternity in hell, or the very best life imaginable?

Wow… What a hard choice.

I’ll take the 150 years of doing whatever the fuck I want to go, thank you.

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[quote]bushidobadboy wrote:
WolBarret wrote:
If I didn’t think there was Heaven and Hell or a God judging by my actions, I’d probably be committing murders all across the USA. (And then the UK to finish you off!)

The discipline that religion puts on people is good. Its always good to believe in something bigger than yourself.

I don’t want some big debate, its too early in the morning. Just remember: Fear of an Eternity spent in Hell is the main reason I don’t go around hurting people. And I believe that applies to everybody.

People like you worry me. Basically what you seem to be saying is that you lack any internal moralism or sense of right and wrong, but instead rely on a ‘list’ of behavioural conduct ideals from an external source.

I actually don’t believe you (no offence), since I suspect that like most people, you know when something is the wrong thing to do, from a moral standpoint, not a practical one. Are you saying that if someone could conclusively convince you that God/Hell did not exist, you would therefore feel free to go out and kill? I suspect not.

TBH, it’s much the same with the law. If you rely on that to deter you from wrongdoing, then you are morally bankrupt, because the law only punishes you if you are caught. A bit like most of the politicians who run this country, lol. They knew it was the wrong thing to do, fiddling their expenses, but since it was within the letter of the law, they did it anyway. It is my firm opinion that they should lose their positions in government, since we (the proles) look to them for our moral example.

Personally I have my own, intricate set of moral codes. Ultimately though it boils down to this: treat others in the same way you would want to be treated, even if you suspect the person in question wouldn’t return the favour.

BBB[/quote]

Have you never done something that you’ve deemed wrong? We all know right from wrong, but that doesn’t always stop us from doing wrong. Sometimes it’s nice to have extra motivation to do the right thing.