Your Election Prediction

[anon50325502]

@Aero51

You don’t understand

Cute

@Aero51

your specific points don’t prove or disprove anything. One person who makes a lot of money is not the issue. The issue is there is systematic corruption, one of the symptoms being administrators like Elizabeth Warren making 400 grand/year. I believe the president of BU makes over a million dollars a year. Fantastic, the issue is how someone in that position can earn so much money, and where the federal money students take out for their education goes/is wasted. What she makes doesn’t invalidate the study, it just makes her hypocritical. She is an example is a system that needs to be held accountable, not the cause in itself.

You went on a 5 paragraph tirade about how unfair life is for Millennials and then posted an article quoting Warren whose incredibly high salary is a reason (high administrative salaries) that college is so expensive.

I never said it was the only reason. I was pointing out how hilarious it is for you to bitch about the cost of education and then point to Warren on the minimum wage (she has no clue what she’s talking about, fyi).

@Aero51

Your personal experience doesn’t matter. That is great that you made something to encode your invoices. How much time do you waste reading and writing posts on T-Nation?

Thanks for making my point. Computers and IT, in general, have increased productivity so that I can encode invoices 1,000x faster than my predecsors so now I can waste time on the interent.

@Aero51

he analysis provided by the professors clearly shows productivity is weakly correlated with the availability of computers and IT.

Ya, maybe in the 80s and 90s.
http://ebusiness.mit.edu/erik/bpp.pdf

@Aero51

And to give you some perspective, at a private university the cost of education will be about 50 grad/yr, lets assume we have 10,000 students with a 250 million dollar operating budget. Taking this into account alone shows the school making about 100% profit. These are rich assholes we are dealing with. I got these numbers from a school I know about, but rounded the figures for illustration.

I have no idea what you’re going on about. I think higher education is a complete crock of shit. You could easily cut a 4-year degree to 2 years. Easily. I actually agree with you even though you’ve gone completely off the deep end here.

[anon50325502]

Race Against the Machine

[anon71478045]

1. I don’t understand what is funny. She cited a study, I don’t care what she makes, personally I don’t even like her, but that doesn’t change anything about the facts. She makes a good point on minimum wage. If she was a janitor would that invalidate the argument? No, because it has nothing to do with it.

2. You are still missing the point. Time fucking around on T-Nation is not time getting work done. Your average productivity is therefore reduced. You cant just say “Great, I got stuff done faster than I normally would in 1 hour, Im going to screw around for 2” You still only got 1 hour of work done in 3 hours of time.

3. The productivity paradox is still an ongoing debate. Your specific experience does not describe the average behavior. Computers probably do increase productivity, but the extent may have been overestimated, hence the paradox.

4. Yes, I read an article from the MIT Technology Review about wealth inequality and technology. It is interesting indeed.

5. Yes, I agree also that most of higher education is a scam. Higher education is not a crock of shit though, without it you don’t have airplanes, medicine, bridges, NASA, pretty much anything requiring a special skillset. I do believe that too many people are admitted to universities, eg they are too easy to get into and too easy to graduate.

[anon50325502]

@Aero51

1. I don’t understand what is funny. She cited a study, I don’t care what she makes, personally I don’t even like her, but that doesn’t change anything about the facts. She makes a good point on minimum wage. If she was a janitor would that invalidate the argument? No, because it has nothing to do with it.

2. You are still missing the point. Time fucking around on T-Nation is not time getting work done. Your average productivity is therefore reduced. You cant just say “Great, I got stuff done faster than I normally would in 1 hour, Im going to screw around for 2” You still only got 1 hour of work done in 3 hours of time.

3. The productivity paradox is still an ongoing debate. Your specific experience does not describe the average behavior. Computers probably do increase productivity, but the extent may have been overestimated, hence the paradox.

4. Yes, I read an article from the MIT Technology Review about wealth inequality and technology. It is interesting indeed.

5. Yes, I agree also that most of higher education is a scam. Higher education is not a crock of shit though, without it you don’t have airplanes, medicine, bridges, NASA, pretty much anything requiring a special skillset. I do believe that too many people are admitted to universities, eg they are too easy to get into and too easy to graduate.

1. Okay, you’re obviously not following what I said and I’m not going to explain it again.

Moving on.

2. You’re just wrong here. I do more work and can fuck around on the Internet far more than my predecessor could of even dreamed of. It’s not because I’m just better it’s because everything is faster and more efficient today than ot was i 1980. I am way more productive in total. 20 years ago it would of taken 3 people to do my job.

3. Uhuh, the guy that did the original research has since changed his tune per the 1998 paper I posted.

4. Okay

5. Jesus Christ…

[Alrightmiami19c]

@Aero51

The people who support Bernie are similar to those that support Trump in that they are sick of the status quo with our political environment

Bernie is an accelerated version of the status quo. He champions extreme versions of the same failed policies that are making it hard for millenials (and the working class).

Quick example, public money being pumped into universities has done nothing but increase the cost of education. Bernie wants full public funding, how will that decrease costs? Isn’t it just more of the same?

[anon50325502]

@Aero51

That is actually not true. There is something called the Productivity Paradox. It turns out that productivity increase is not associated with the computer coming

@Aero51

2. What you believe doesn’t matter. It is real.

@Aero51

The productivity paradox is still an ongoing debate

Seein the problem here?

[zeb1]

[quote=“Aero51, post:116, topic:217849, full:true”]
Id argue that the opposite perspective is out of touch. Even if the minimum wage jobs aren’t glamorous, people still need to make a living. That whole, “don’t go to school to save money” argument is contingent on jobs being available that don’t require school which pay enough to support ones self.[/quote]

But everyone was aware back in the day that a minimum wage job was what we would call a “starter job”. You were not supposed to be able to raise a family and buy two cars etc. with such wages. If you wanted to make more money you would do one of three things:

1. Go to College either at night or part time and get a degree.

2. Go to trade school, again at night or part time.

3. Become of value to the business that is currently paying you minimum wage. This would show that you actually went to work for the company and not the money. A funny thing happens when a person has that attitude they tend to get promoted and almost like magic they make more money.

Handing people $22 per hour right off the bat is the absolute dumbest thing that I’ve ever heard and I’m not at all surprised that it came from the mouth of someone that (I highly doubt) has absolutely no experience with business at any level…other than regulating them.

Also small businesses have a lot of bullshit to deal with that wasn’t the case 30 or 40 years ago. It is almost impossible to start something up without a lot of capital up front.

I agree, and start up capital is only the first hurdle. I am paying more money out in lawyer and accounting fees not to mention wages to people who work full time just handling regulations for me. It is a total nightmare to operate a business in this climate. As I said to someone today if I get another federal tax hike as Obama has done to me repeatedly I am selling everything and retiring. Let them rape someone else I’m getting a little raw from the screwing.

[anon50325502]

@Alrightmiami19c

@Aero51

The people who support Bernie are similar to those that support Trump in that they are sick of the status quo with our political environment

Bernie is an accelerated version of the status quo. He champions extreme versions of the same failed policies that are making it hard for millenials (and the working class).

Quick example, public money being pumped into universities has done nothing but increase the cost of education. Bernie wants full public funding, how will that decrease costs? Isn’t it just more of the same?

I was going to mention this earlier. Dude has been a member of Congress since 1990. Definition of status quo.

[SkyzykS]

@Aero51

Now there will be people that say things like “Well you don’t HAVE to go to school.” or “You don’t HAVE to own a home.” blah blah blah… These same people usually have supplemental income (such as retirement, social security, military benefits, etc), and a job that requires some schooling, and their own home. We cant be a nation of plumbers or carpenters. We need scientists, doctors, lawyers, and other highly skilled professions too. I agree that there are too many people with a degree, reducing the “usefulness” of their education, but to say you don’t HAVE to have one is an obnoxious self-righteous argument. You don’t HAVE to eat either, for 40 days specifically, it doesn’t mean you shouldn’t

Yeah, fuck that.

I bought a house at the bottom of the real estate bust. It has appreciated 50% since.
I worked my way through a cc, paying as I went- zero debt. Credits transferrable to Pitt, Penn state, or CMU, as they work together to develop the curriculum and standards for just that purpose.

Point being, Caveat Emptor! Blowing 30 years of potential future earnings isn’t always a great idea!

So when I hear about these millenials whining about the cost of education and income disparity, I can only think that if they imagine charging headlong into adulthood by going $120,000 into debt, then higher education is not for them They are too fucking dumb to know that if you want something in life, you Might have to work for it.

Higher ed. Used to be for smart people. Not the ones who cried loudest.

Most kids spend more time crying in the deans office than in the classroom anyways.

Edited.

[Aragorn]

@Bismark

Link? From the analysis I’ve read, Trump is at a significant disadvantage because of the demography of the electoral college (not to mention his vast unfavorable ratings).

Nate Silver and others also have Hillary at massive unfavorable ratings though. This is going to be a bloodbath of negative ads because each candidate is the most disliked candidate for that party in nearly 50 years.

[Aragorn]

@Drew1411

Is it possible they were trying to make it seem closer than it is? I have not seen any article that claims the current electoral map is neck and neck. It is currently very favorable to Hillary… but as mentioned there are many story lines that still need to play out.

That’s one of the key troubles: many of these electoral college issues come down to districts or otherwise fairly close (at least according to polling history in the primaries) demographics that nobody is really sure how they will break. Pundits everywhere discounted Trump, myself included, for a variety of reasons. They are poised to make the same mistake again–this is why I follow the data-driven journalism of Nate Silver and others. It’s more than just headlines, the undercurrents can change the EC picture quickly.

[Aragorn]

@Aero51

d argue that the opposite perspective is out of touch. Even if the minimum wage jobs aren’t glamorous, people still need to make a living. That whole, “don’t go to school to save money” argument is contingent on jobs being available that don’t require school which pay enough to support ones self. Also small businesses have a lot of bullshit to deal with that wasn’t the case 30 or 40 years ago. It is almost impossible to start something up without a lot of capital up front.

I am still working my way through this thread, but several things stand out here.

1. You don’t have to go to college to make a good living. You know how much welders can make? With the cost of technical school and applied work ethic and time, they can make a really nice living if they choose to go above the basic level of welding. The $140,000-a-Year Welding Job - WSJ Is this kid an outlier? Well yes. But there are tons of opportunities for people with technical college backgrounds who want to excel.

So the idea needs to be that college doesn’t have to be for everyone. That is one of the primary reasons that the cost is so high right now. Universities have binged on the glut of students that were told for a generation they HAD to go to college. Truth is you don’t HAVE to to make a good living. It helps quite a bit, but there are lots of people that really have no business in a college right now because they aren’t serious about it and they are only there because they’re told they HAVE to be there to have any worth. The WSJ article talks about about this mismatch as well. What it does is ending up a) hurting the quality of a college degree (or Master’s Degree) through dilution and b) also hurting the cost of attending college massively.

2. Completely agree on the small business point. The only problem is that this isn’t helped by more regulation–it is killed even more. None of the current regulations in any industry being seriously bandied about will help small businesses. At all. They all hurt them. If small business growth is the goal, then the role of legislation needs to be completely and utterly rethought and the current “solutions” need to be rethought as well as the philosophy that brought them about. Bernie Sanders I’m looking at you.

[Sloth]

Nah. Trump is going to keep saying stupid stuff, like about Mexican/Muslim judges Reuters poll has Clinton up by 11 points now, btw…

[Aragorn]

Fucking A-MEN SkyzykS

There are many reasons for the insane cost of education. However, besides those already mentioned the things you mentioned bear completely on the matter. Nobody budgets any more because “student loans” and credit cards (ok, generalization, but mostly true speaking of college kids). I can count on 1 hand the amount of people I knew in college who weren’t blowing loan money like crazy on plasma screen TVs, vehicles, super duper cable TV packages, and all the rest.

You want to know what student loan companies look like when watching this? Drooling, because they’re getting money paid back at interest. And the cost continues to soar because mass quantities of students are taking out far, FAR more than they need to. This drives the cost of college higher as people borrow more–supply and demand.

People graduating with 80,000+ in debt when they could have done it with 30-40,000…

Plus many people (I know, not all yada yada) graduate thinking they’ll be in some job making 70,000+ the first year and are upset to find out that practically nobody wants to hire them for that amount of money unless they’re an engineer…who suffered extremely through school and also has to pay for most of their ongoing education themselves, and even then most places won’t start you there. In other words, they graduate thinking they will get their dream job right off the bat.

I am typing this on my phone internet connection, hotspotted to my laptop. I don’t have cable TV. I don’t have Internet except on my phone. I have an old ass car that works and isn’t showy, and is paid off, and a TV that was made before there were such things as flat screens (CRT with VHS player built in). About the only thing I have that I spend money on is whiskey and books/guitars. I am saving hundreds of dollars every month on that. You know where that can go? Vacation funds! Or paying off student debt, or investing, or retirement, or any of a host of things that are going to do better for me than the latest and greatest ______. Shit man, save $100 bucks a month and in a year that’s a plane ticket overseas. That’s how I went to Africa without putting anything on credit. That’s how I have a lot of the stuff that other people my age ask me “how can you afford that?” Well, because I saved for it.

The point is that the legitimate problems with education cost are also massively and egregiously inflated by people who don’t budget, don’t have realistic expectations, don’t want to work as much, and don’t know how to save.

[therajraj]

If this whole campaign becomes one big attack fest and never gets to be issues focused like it has thus far, I think Trump is better built for this type of competition.

On Trump calling out the nationality of the judge,what would hurt him more - doing what he did or caving and admitting he was wrong to a progressive judge?

[Drew1411]

@therajraj

what would hurt him more - doing what he did or caving and admitting he was wrong to a progressive judge?

Doing what he did. No question.

He should settle and get the issue over with so it doesn’t drag out to November when people are making their final decision on who to vote for. The longer the issue lasts, the worse it is for Trump. The court hearing will happen after the election so if he doesn’t settle it will be an easy target for the Clinton campaign.

Bringing up the judge’s ethnicity does not help him in any way.

[zeb1]

It was one of Trump’s stupidest comments in a long list of stupid comments.

[therajraj]

@zeb1

It was one of Trump’s stupidest comments in a long list of stupid comments.

How many blacks have complained about a fair trial when the jury was 100% white?

[zeb1]

@therajraj

How many blacks have complained about a fair trial when the jury was 100% white?

Are you stating that it was a good idea for Trump to question the Judges racial heritage?

[therajraj]

@zeb1

@therajraj

How many blacks have complained about a fair trial when the jury was 100% white?

Are you stating that it was a good idea for Trump to question the Judges racial heritage?

Do his comments align with his over-arching theme that the system is largely rigged against him?

When people see anti-Trump supporters waving Mexican flags and hunting down, beating Trump supporters like wild animals, what conclusion will someone seriously considering Trump come to from his comments about the judge?

About the white jury / black defendant that was purely a philosophical argument for people here.