I just had six donuts and 3 glasses of whole milk. It was absolutely amazing.
The NAAFA would be so proud of this thread…
We of course welcome all people
Yes I was under the impression that we were talking about gaining quality mass versus cutting, not jamming food down our throats, gaining fat too quickly, and then just cutting after getting sick of it.
I assume most of the posters here have a high metabolism. I have yet to lose my six-pack and have gained roughly 15 pounds so far this year.
[quote]Natural Nate wrote:
I assume most of the posters here have a high metabolism. I have yet to lose my six-pack and have gained roughly 15 pounds so far this year.[/quote]
How many calories over maintenance are you eating per day? Whats your macro breakdown and training look like?
Dude I don’t know, I just eat a ton of good food and lift heavy.
Also Carbolin 19 helps.
For instance after training a couple hours ago I had some Surge, ate a burger, now I’m stuffing down some pasta and whole milk, later I’ll have a protein shake, then another with a bunch of peanut butter…
[quote]Natural Nate wrote:
Dude I don’t know, I just eat a ton of good food and lift heavy.
Also Carbolin 19 helps.
For instance after training a couple hours ago I had some Surge, ate a burger, now I’m stuffing down some pasta and whole milk, later I’ll have a protein shake, then another with a bunch of peanut butter…[/quote]
I wish every newbie “hardgainer” on here would just read what you wrote and then live it. There would be a lot less skinny people.
WOW I totally agree with most of what you are saying. I didn’t think so many people would agree with Lions Pride here, but I’m posetively surprised. I think bulking really is the way to go if you want to get really strong. I’m a powerlifter and my gains are so much better when I eat alot. I also think the years from 17-25 are KEY years. It’s in those years you will lay your foundation. I think all the hormones and stuff thats in your body at that time makes it easier to become strong really fast.
Okay earlier about the six donuts. I never really do that. I usually have some protein with it. Is that better?
(Sarcasm)
[quote]eengrms76 wrote:
Natural Nate wrote:
Dude I don’t know, I just eat a ton of good food and lift heavy.
Also Carbolin 19 helps.
For instance after training a couple hours ago I had some Surge, ate a burger, now I’m stuffing down some pasta and whole milk, later I’ll have a protein shake, then another with a bunch of peanut butter…
I wish every newbie “hardgainer” on here would just read what you wrote and then live it. There would be a lot less skinny people.[/quote]
What’s funny is it took me a couple years to finally realize this.
Here’s a list of shit I fell for:
Power Factor Training
Eliminating starch from my diet (great for health and weightloss…not so much for gaining muscle on a fast metabolism)
Not training to failure (don’t know what I was thinking there)
Not eating a lot even on non-training days.
Years ago I had a logbook for calories and macronutrient breakdowns for the day, and I think that was important just so I could have an idea of what amount of food equaled what in those terms.
But I just don’t understand why non-advanced lifters would keep such detailed records constantly. As if your body’s caloric needs are exactly the same every day?
I don’t keep detailed records but I do keep a running estimate in my head. I think you need an estimate of your calories so that if you’re not gaining you can add more and if you’re getting fat you can shoot for less.
I am an ectomorph to T… most people would immediately say I am a hardgainer.
Still in 6 weeks I managed to put on 12 pounds of which 3-4 was fat the rest muscle… what I did different from before is EAT. I ate over 4300 calories a day.
The only reason I stopped is simply because if I gained anymore weight it would cost me a new wardrobe and I simply had not planned for that financially, hehe. Seems silly but it is a reality of bulking.
I have no other excuse and 99.9% of all hardgainers have no other excuse.
Wow, I have to disagree with most of you. I am a FFB, I spent the first 19 years of my life bulking up to 260.8. Now I am about 13lbs leaner than my avatar(now in the low 190s) and only slightly weaker by comparison.
My current methodology is one of cycles; if dieting, I diet until a noticeable loss of strength, I can get most if not all of that strength/lean mass back in 1-3 weeks of clean mass gaining.
I am pretty sure that I am in or near the single digits for body fat, have maintained the vast majority of my lean mass. Now in a week or so I am going to start a slow mass gaining phase. If at any point I put on more than a couple of lbs of fat, I am going to rip it off in a week or two of dieting, then continue my clean “bulk”.
I can understand the mentality of you guys if you are powerlifters, but if you are bodybuilders, why the hell would you want to be fat 9 months of the year. It is still about building a better body, right. I prefer the Golden Age approach, Frank Zane and Arnold managed to stay in great shape year round.
[quote]Zagman wrote:
Wow, I have to disagree with most of you. I am a FFB, I spent the first 19 years of my life bulking up to 260.8. Now I am about 13lbs leaner than my avatar(now in the low 190s) and only slightly weaker by comparison.
My current methodology is one of cycles; if dieting, I diet until a noticeable loss of strength, I can get most if not all of that strength/lean mass back in 1-3 weeks of clean mass gaining.
I am pretty sure that I am in or near the single digits for body fat, have maintained the vast majority of my lean mass. Now in a week or so I am going to start a slow mass gaining phase. If at any point I put on more than a couple of lbs of fat, I am going to rip it off in a week or two of dieting, then continue my clean “bulk”.
I can understand the mentality of you guys if you are powerlifters, but if you are bodybuilders, why the hell would you want to be fat 9 months of the year. It is still about building a better body, right. I prefer the Golden Age approach, Frank Zane and Arnold managed to stay in great shape year round.[/quote]
I don’t think the message here is to get fat; it’s to not be so picky and exact with the food you take in when you weigh all of 160 pounds. I highly doubt the goal of anyone in this thread is to be fat. You need to test the waters… you eat, and according to the mirror/scale, you either clean it up, keep it the same, or dirty it down. So many people handicap their gains by sticking to chicken and broccoli for every meal. Just eat.
FFB’s need not apply.
[quote]theOUTLAW wrote:
I don’t think the message here is to get fat; it’s to not be so picky and exact with the food you take in when you weigh all of 160 pounds. I highly doubt anyone in this thread is eating to get fat. You need to test the waters…you don’t wake up one day looking like pile of shit. You just eat, and according to the mirror, you either tone it down or tone it up. So many people handicap their gains by sticking to chicken and broccoli for every meal. Just eat.
You said yourself that you’re a FFB…not a former skinny bastard. [/quote]
I see you point, just figured someone from the other direction should chime in.
And the slope of eating to get big is a slippery one that may lead to unnecessary rationalizations.
Also, they guy that made the original post said he added an inch to his arms, 3-4 to his chest, added a bunch of size to his legs, and got a but load stronger without adding too much fat. That is exactly what he should have been trying to do. I feel that in a year that isn’t too chabby and is the right way to go about it.
Stay lean, and get bigger.
[quote]theOUTLAW wrote:
I don’t think the message here is to get fat; it’s to not be so picky and exact with the food you take in when you weigh all of 160 pounds. I highly doubt anyone in this thread is eating to get fat. You need to test the waters…you don’t wake up one day looking like pile of shit. You just eat, and according to the mirror, you either tone it down or tone it up. So many people handicap their gains by sticking to chicken and broccoli for every meal. Just eat. [/quote]
You said yourself that you’re a FFB…not a former skinny bastard.
I see you point, just figured someone from the other direction should chime in.
And the slope of eating to get big is a slippery one that may lead to unnecessary rationalizations.
Also, they guy that made the original post said he added an inch to his arms, 3-4 to his chest, added a bunch of size to his legs, and got a but load stronger without adding too much fat. That is exactly what he should have been trying to do. I feel that in a year that isn’t too chabby and is the right way to go about it.
Stay lean, and get bigger.
I agree with most of what your saying. ONe of the problems I have and I assume some others have as well, is finding the money to buy good clean in college. These college cafeterias nowadays are pure shit. And, I dont have the money to buy the amount of good food I need to grow. So, I have to resort to eat whats given to me. In the future when the old metabolism slows, and I get older, I will clean it up. Just right now I eat what I can get my hands on and alot of it.
Go to the college cafeteria, go to the salad bar and empty out their ham and grilled chicken dishes. Throw in the baby carrots and you have a perfect veggie/protein meal.
I know it is hard being in college and eating good, but you gotta do what you gotta do. Just avoid the shitty foods and load up on the good ones when they are present. You can usually find ok alternatives.
[quote]Zagman wrote:
Go to the college cafeteria, go to the salad bar and empty out their ham and grilled chicken dishes. Throw in the baby carrots and you have a perfect veggie/protein meal.
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You’re in the wrong thread. You don’t get it. If I ate chicken and baby carrots, I’d turn into one.
Go look at the idiots in the RMP forum. They are not fat or FFBs. They are young kids with high metabolisms that will need to stuff themselves with food to gain muscle.
Anyway Lowery, for college, your situation might be different, but for me the deli bar was my savior. I used to get sandwiches with like a pound of meat in them. I’d wash them down with several glasses of 2% milk (didn’t have whole). Almost puked from the sheer quantity of food on many occasions. Hell I DID actually end up puking twice.
If you’ve got a pasta bar, just head straight there after a workout and down a pound of that stuff.
Also I bought a gallon of whole milk every couple of days at Walmart and so there’s another source of cheap calories.
[quote]Zagman wrote:
Go to the college cafeteria, go to the salad bar and empty out their ham and grilled chicken dishes. Throw in the baby carrots and you have a perfect veggie/protein meal.
I know it is hard being in college and eating good, but you gotta do what you gotta do. Just avoid the shitty foods and load up on the good ones when they are present. You can usually find ok alternatives.[/quote]
Have YOU even seen any gains in muscle mass eating the way you recommend for others? Baby fucking carrots?
Was this a joke?