Well, that’s nowhere near long enough. But that’s not the point anyway, just a bit of info should you try again in the future. I too felt like crap at first. It’s told ahead of time, and it’s completely normal. Toss the bathwater, keep the baby.
Second, it’s entirely your right to state your opinion, and you’re right to keep on keepin’ on with what works for you. Of that I am a big advocate.
This type of eating pattern has been used by many successful bodybuilders who pre-date the steroid era or there about. The standard diet got me to a whopping 190lbs. The AD topped me out over 250 at 5’9". I was a local trainer for about 2 years and can say that without question it produced the best results of any eating plan I personally tried or suggested. More mass without the fat if you wanted to gain, fat-loss with near perfect muscle retention if you wanted to cut.
Poliquin has come to the same conclusion after 2 decades of training droves of folks. Gironda, who was astonishing smart and the only true guru I’ve ever come across, used variations of it on droves of clientelle. The list of advocates is numerous and impressive. I realize and concede that sheer numbers do NOT make something valid/true. I’m a Christian and thus in the minority, so I’m no “group” advocate by any stretch.
BUT, such results from such respected persons, respected for their results with high paying clientelle and with their own physiques, should give pause to any critical thinker. How many drops of rain does it take for that Turkey to stop looking up anyway?
The science is very good behind it, IF you really go in with an open ear and remove personal bias.
My point to this whole post was simply this: Contrary to what is casually thrown around by not only the general populace of the Muscle Kingdom but more damagingly, it’s “nobility”, VLCD’s, CKD’s, and such are NOT anathema to muscle growth.
In fact, it’s my contention, based upon research and experience that such a dietary philosphy is in fact exactly what the majority of trainees should be doing.
My stance: The AD is head and shoulders above the competition. If I’m not mistaken Poliqin has over 3/4 of his people on it. Like David Boston was, etc… And Big Bob Sapp is under Doc DiPasquale’s tutelage. There is room for individual experimentation within it’s defining framework, but the theory upon which it stands is solid.
Again, let’s not forget what I did post, and what I did NOT post. It was not an argument about “optimal” but rather about “doable”. That being said, I do indeed believe it’s optimal for both Bodybuliding AND health if properly executed, and those who agree with me are growing yearly.
Just like Gironda was fond of saying: Steroids will put bodybuilding knowledge back at least 20 years. When did the big CHO push come along? Bout the time the juice took center stage (no not OJ). Bout the time Cooper kicked off his aerobics frenzy (God rest his soul). Long before we had current levels of scientific information on macro’s and their idiosyncracies consumed in various ratios. Remember how bad eggs were for you? All those egg-head experts going by MIS-interpreted research. Well, the flaw still holds. Science as a noun is great, it’s that necessity of becoming a verb that screws things up. The numbers may not lie, but men do so often unwittingly. Good observation, bad conclusion is all too common.
Anyway, I digress.
This wasn’t a debate, at least not in my mind, because I specifically didn’t frame it as such. Like that matters though. Just call me little Oppenheimer.
So…Quarrel not at all. No man resolved to make the most of himself can spare time for personal contention. – Abraham Lincoln
In those immortal words of Dennis Miller, I…am…outtahere.
Best,
DH
[quote]Professor X wrote:
Bizmark wrote:
But Prof X, you are taking a uber defensive stance on this. When you tried the AD or whatever keto diet you did how long did you give it to adapt? I know for me the first month was really really really hard, but now its just smoothe sailing.
I did it for a month and will never do it again. For one, considering what I do for a living (even when I was still in school) I don’t have the luxury of walking around in a mental fog for over a month just so I can “possibly” adapt to this diet some time in the future. I also don’t need to eat that way to see any progress. I also don’t doubt that someone can see some progress by eating that way. That isn’t even the debate. The debate is whether this is optimal and I would have to say, “no, not for most people”.[/quote]