WTF Penn State?!?!?!

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[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:

[quote]scj119 wrote:

[quote]gregron wrote:

[quote]Trispeter wrote:
SO this means Joe Pa had reported this to the police… what more could he have done?
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What more could he have done? Followed up and made sure this guy was punished. JoePa ran the show. He could have banned Sandusky from the campus if he wanted but he did not.

If you were the head coach and knew an assistant was caught sexually abusing kids in your locker room would you report it to the AD and Campus Police and leave it at that? See the same guy for years to come bringing young kids into your facility and not say anything further?[/quote]

A real PSUer knows campus police there is a joke. They hand out underage drinking and public urination citations (even to yours truly!)

JoePa should have walked down to centre county police with McQueary, or reported it to an even higher authority[/quote]

lol it’s not a “higher authority”. campus police have the same sworn powers as the county police or the State police for that matter. so please, let’s just agree he reported it to the “police”. although they may give you a ticket, they can still lock your ass up just like the regular police. admitted, the may be largely patrol (not sure if they have “detectives”) but that’s not different than any small town PD.[/quote]

BG, you’ve made this point a few times but it was debunked earlier in the thread. Gary Shultz was the Senior VP of Business and Finance. The fact that the campus police budget was under his purview does not make him the popo. He was not the head of campus police. IIRC, in the indictment he even states something to that effect.

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[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:

[quote]gregron wrote:
Still waiting for BG to resond to my answer(s) to his request. [/quote]

stop trying to be some clever dick and learn to have a reasonable debate. i haven’t read the indictment yet. calm the fuck down. [/quote]

Quit commenting until you’ve read the grand jury report. You will be disgusted.

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[quote]UtahLama wrote:
Paterno AND the graduate assistant should have both gone to the police…just passing the buck up the line when a 50 year old man is fucking a 10 year old boy the locker room shower. IS FUCKED UP…repeat there is NO excuse for this.

Additionally the Grad assistant (former QB at Penn State, his father who he called directly after was an assistant coach) should have grabbed the kid and knocked that old pedo the fuck out.[/quote]

Should have done more than knock him out. Could have beaten him lifeless. Would have short-circuited a rape. Besides, what jury would have convicted him for killing a pedo? NONE.

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[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:

[quote]gregron wrote:
Still waiting for BG to resond to my answer(s) to his request. [/quote]

stop trying to be some clever dick and learn to have a reasonable debate. i haven’t read the indictment yet. calm the fuck down. [/quote]

lol, dont get butthurt and learn to have a reasonable debate. calm down.

lighten up BG, its just the internet.

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[quote]HeavyTriple wrote:

[quote]QuadasarusFlex wrote:
If anything,Mike McQueary should be the one on the cross,not JoePa. He actually witness the rape and he didnt go to the police right afterwards.[/quote]

Mike McQueary isn’t God to a massive legion of football fans. Don’t pretend like that doesn’t mean something. He acted as a coward and will rightfully live the rest of his life with that label, and he should be fired as well.

But when you stake your reputation on “doing it the right way” and put yourself up on the soapbox, you damn well better be ready for the backlash of a scandal like this. If you weren’t doing enough to prevent the repeated rape of children, then fuck you and everything you’ve done, because it means nothing. You are a fraud.[/quote]

Joe hung around to add to, and to preserve his legacy. NOW, this IS his legacy.

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Seem’s pretty suspect that it all boils over at the same time he broke the record for Div 1 coaching wins. Just listening to a report, seemed like the whole state of Penn knew, and did nothing about it. Thats backward ass

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I think they should suspend the football program for the rest of the season (if not next year as well) and clean out every coach and assistant that was even loosely connected to this evil regime.

Yes that would suck for the current players who had nothing to do with these horrific acts that occurred in prior years, but the atrocities that were committed, the damage that they have done, and the need to go completely above and beyond in remedying this situation far outweigh that.

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[quote]WestCoast7 wrote:
I think they should suspend the football program for the rest of the season (if not next year as well) and clean out every coach and assistant that was even loosely connected to this evil regime.

Yes that would suck for the current players who had nothing to do with these horrific acts that occurred in prior years, but the atrocities that were committed, the damage that they have done, and the need to go completely above and beyond in remedying this situation far outweigh that.[/quote]

I dont agree with all that.

I think they should get rid of the main people involved (I do not believe that McQuery will coach this weekend) and then let the assistants take over and finish out the season.

during the offseason they should do an EXTENSIVE investigation and get rid of EVERYONE with knowledge of the situation… then start “fresh” next year.

They should also allow any players that wish to transfer an unpunished/unquestioned transfer to the school of their choice (the NCAA would more than likely need to help out with that)

Just my thoughts.

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[quote]gregron wrote:

[quote]WestCoast7 wrote:
I think they should suspend the football program for the rest of the season (if not next year as well) and clean out every coach and assistant that was even loosely connected to this evil regime.

Yes that would suck for the current players who had nothing to do with these horrific acts that occurred in prior years, but the atrocities that were committed, the damage that they have done, and the need to go completely above and beyond in remedying this situation far outweigh that.[/quote]

I dont agree with all that.

I think they should get rid of the main people involved (I do not believe that McQuery will coach this weekend) and then let the assistants take over and finish out the season.

during the offseason they should do an EXTENSIVE investigation and get rid of EVERYONE with knowledge of the situation… then start “fresh” next year.

They should also allow any players that wish to transfer an unpunished/unquestioned transfer to the school of their choice (the NCAA would more than likely need to help out with that)

Just my thoughts.[/quote]

We’ll just have to agree to disagree on this one, except for the transfer part for players.

IMO, The program lost its right to handle the situation how it wants to 40 acts of child abuse ago. The school needs to lay down the law, and go above and beyond in doing so.

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[quote]WestCoast7 wrote:

[quote]gregron wrote:

[quote]WestCoast7 wrote:
I think they should suspend the football program for the rest of the season (if not next year as well) and clean out every coach and assistant that was even loosely connected to this evil regime.

Yes that would suck for the current players who had nothing to do with these horrific acts that occurred in prior years, but the atrocities that were committed, the damage that they have done, and the need to go completely above and beyond in remedying this situation far outweigh that.[/quote]

I dont agree with all that.

I think they should get rid of the main people involved (I do not believe that McQuery will coach this weekend) and then let the assistants take over and finish out the season.

during the offseason they should do an EXTENSIVE investigation and get rid of EVERYONE with knowledge of the situation… then start “fresh” next year.

They should also allow any players that wish to transfer an unpunished/unquestioned transfer to the school of their choice (the NCAA would more than likely need to help out with that)

Just my thoughts.[/quote]

We’ll just have to agree to disagree on this one.

IMO, The program lost its right to handle the situation how it wants to 40 acts of child abuse ago.[/quote]

I agree… but I just dont think punishing players that werent even in highschool yet when this went down is the answer. They should let the team play out the season (IMO) and all the proceeds/revenue from the games (including a possible $20+ Million from a BCS game) should go into an account for the victims and their family.

wouldnt that be something?

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[quote]WestCoast7 wrote:

[quote]gregron wrote:

[quote]WestCoast7 wrote:
I think they should suspend the football program for the rest of the season (if not next year as well) and clean out every coach and assistant that was even loosely connected to this evil regime.

Yes that would suck for the current players who had nothing to do with these horrific acts that occurred in prior years, but the atrocities that were committed, the damage that they have done, and the need to go completely above and beyond in remedying this situation far outweigh that.[/quote]

I dont agree with all that.

I think they should get rid of the main people involved (I do not believe that McQuery will coach this weekend) and then let the assistants take over and finish out the season.

during the offseason they should do an EXTENSIVE investigation and get rid of EVERYONE with knowledge of the situation… then start “fresh” next year.

They should also allow any players that wish to transfer an unpunished/unquestioned transfer to the school of their choice (the NCAA would more than likely need to help out with that)

Just my thoughts.[/quote]

We’ll just have to agree to disagree on this one, except for the transfer part for players.

IMO, The program lost its right to handle the situation how it wants to 40 acts of child abuse ago. The school needs to lay down the law, and go above and beyond in doing so.[/quote]

Current players dont deserve to experience any of the ramifications of this.

These arent professional athletes. Some of these kids have a future in football as player or coaches. It is completely wrong to negatively impact that.

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[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:
not my point. my point is that i cannot ignore joe pa’s considerable body of work and morally convict him until i know what he knew and when he knew it. that’s it. no legal fixation whatsoever. none. i’m having a hard time believing he turned a blind eye to it. if he did, then lynch him. but we don’t have all the facts yet. not by a long shot. [/quote]

Gotcha, thanks for clarifying.

Unrelatedly, heard some speculation about McQueary being able to keep his job in order to preserve his willingness to be a “star witness” for the state inthe upcoming trial.

Can someone shed some light on that, and also what is the significance of the Feds and their investigators getting involved??

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[quote]chillain wrote:

[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:
not my point. my point is that i cannot ignore joe pa’s considerable body of work and morally convict him until i know what he knew and when he knew it. that’s it. no legal fixation whatsoever. none. i’m having a hard time believing he turned a blind eye to it. if he did, then lynch him. but we don’t have all the facts yet. not by a long shot. [/quote]

Gotcha, thanks for clarifying.

Unrelatedly, heard some speculation about McQueary being able to keep his job in order to preserve his willingness to be a “star witness” for the state inthe upcoming trial.

Can someone shed some light on that, and also what is the significance of the Feds and their investigators getting involved??

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Not sure about the second question.

For the first part, I know this little bit, the government can subpoena a material witness forcing him to take the stand. But that’s no guarantee that he complies with the govt’s wishes and answers fully and truthfully.

But Im not sure how his job security has anything to do with testifying though. I mean PSU is a state school but I dont see how the govt can stop PSU from firing him if they chose to. Im missing something here.

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The only intelligent Penn State student:

I’m starting to believe most Penn State students are awful people.

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Assistant coach who reported Penn State incident threatened, won’t be at game

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(CNN) – A Penn State assistant football coach who reportedly told Joe Paterno in 2002 he witnessed a young boy being sexually assaulted in a shower won’t be at Saturday’s Nebraska game because of “multiple threats,” the university athletics website said Thursday night.
A graduate assistant at the time, Mike McQueary told a grand jury he had witnessed former defensive coordinator Jerry Sandusky, now 67, assaulting the boy at the campus football complex.
Questions over how university officials responded to reports of alleged abuse cost coaching legend Paterno and university President Graham Spanier their jobs. McQueary has been criticized for not calling police, but he has not faced any legal charges.

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^^I called it. I knew McQueary wouldnt be there saturday.

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[quote]gregron wrote:
^^I called it. I knew McQueary wouldnt be there saturday.[/quote]

Thank goodness!!!

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[quote]Edevus wrote:

[quote]awesomeguy1234 wrote:

there were people picketing and rallying calling for mike vicks head on a platter because he participated in the murdering of dogs, while joe paterno ignores the molestation and rape of young children at the hands of one of his top assistant coaches and people create mobs and riot in his defense…!?
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Totally different (kind of) people. I don’t like this line of thought.
“If it rains, people complain! If it’s sunny, people complain! People are crazy and don’t know what they want!”.[/quote]

what do u mean ‘different kind’ of people?

they are both prominent public figures in athletics who knew of illegal activity going on under their watch and let it continue, granted vick participated to a degree and paterno did not, but i think its a more than fair comparison.

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[quote]awesomeguy1234 wrote:

[quote]Edevus wrote:

[quote]awesomeguy1234 wrote:

there were people picketing and rallying calling for mike vicks head on a platter because he participated in the murdering of dogs, while joe paterno ignores the molestation and rape of young children at the hands of one of his top assistant coaches and people create mobs and riot in his defense…!?
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Totally different (kind of) people. I don’t like this line of thought.
“If it rains, people complain! If it’s sunny, people complain! People are crazy and don’t know what they want!”.[/quote]

what do u mean ‘different kind’ of people?

they are both prominent public figures in athletics who knew of illegal activity going on under their watch and let it continue, granted vick participated and paterno did not, but i think its a more than fair comparison.[/quote]

How can you compare Vick to this issue…

Vick - Before his illegalites he was an erratic QB and excellent athlete who does not represent professional football and the best that it had to offer, he was simply a popular player and represented nothing off the field to many.

PSU (Paterno) - Was looked upon as all that is right with College Sports, was looked as the moral minority who turned his nose at other Universities for their questionable behavior, Paterno represented all that is or was right with Colgiate Athletics, he was loved and reveared for his reputation. To have known about these atrocities destroys his legend and what he represented.

Vick was not a living legend at the time, and when he was caught for his callous and horrible acts was just a professional football player. Even with this there were the “just a dog” people that still believed he received a raw deal.

At times no matter what the behavior there are people who are blinded by loyalty wether it be Vick or Paterno…

Just look at Michael fucking Jackson, he was viewed as the PERPTRATOR of fondling and sexual conduct of young boys yet there were and are jackasses still extolling his virtues!

The vick issue is a totally different and much smaller animal (pun intended)

EDIT: I guess under the general terms of your comparisons (i.e. Athletics, public figures, illegal activity) you can correlate the two…but not really