Wow.

It’s Imperialism, Stupid
Noam Chomsky
Khaleej Times, July 4, 2005
In his June 28 speech, President Bush asserted that the invasion of Iraq was undertaken as part of “a global war against terror” that the United States is waging. In reality, as anticipated, the invasion increased the threat of terror, perhaps significantly.
Half-truths, misinformation and hidden agendas have characterised official pronouncements about US war motives in Iraq from the very beginning. The recent revelations about the rush to war in Iraq stand out all the more starkly amid the chaos that ravages the country and threatens the region and indeed the world.

In 2002 the US and United Kingdom proclaimed the right to invade Iraq because it was developing weapons of mass destruction. That was the “single question,” as stressed constantly by Bush, Prime Minister Blair and associates. It was also the sole basis on which Bush received congressional authorisation to resort to force.

The answer to the “single question” was given shortly after the invasion, and reluctantly conceded: The WMD didn’t exist. Scarcely missing a beat, the government and media doctrinal system concocted new pretexts and justifications for going to war.

“Americans do not like to think of themselves as aggressors, but raw aggression is what took place in Iraq,” national security and intelligence analyst John Prados concluded after his careful, extensive review of the documentary record in his 2004 book “Hoodwinked.”

Prados describes the Bush “scheme to convince America and the world that war with Iraq was necessary and urgent” as “a case study in government dishonesty … that required patently untrue public statements and egregious manipulation of intelligence.” The Downing Street memo, published on May 1 in The Sunday Times of London, along with other newly available confidential documents, have deepened the record of deceit.

The memo came from a meeting of Blair’s war cabinet on July 23, 2002, in which Sir Richard Dearlove, head of British foreign intelligence, made the now-notorious assertion that “the intelligence and facts were being fixed around the policy” of going to war in Iraq.

The memo also quotes British Defence Secretary Geoff Hoon as saying that “the US had already begun ‘spikes of activity’ to put pressure on the regime.”

British journalist Michael Smith, who broke the story of the memo, has elaborated on its context and contents in subsequent articles. The “spikes of activity” apparently included a coalition air campaign meant to provoke Iraq into some act that could be portrayed as what the memo calls a “casus belli.”

Warplanes began bombing in southern Iraq in May 2002 ? 10 tons that month, according to British government figures. A special “spike” started in late August (for a September total of 54.6 tons).

“In other words, Bush and Blair began their war not in March 2003, as everyone believed, but at the end of August 2002, six weeks before Congress approved military action against Iraq,” Smith wrote.

The bombing was presented as defensive action to protect coalition planes in the no-fly zone. Iraq protested to the United Nations but didn’t fall into the trap of retaliating. For US-UK planners, invading Iraq was a far higher priority than the “war on terror.” That much is revealed by the reports of their own intelligence agencies. On the eve of the allied invasion, a classified report by the National Intelligence Council, the intelligence community’s center for strategic thinking, “predicted that an American-led invasion of Iraq would increase support for political Islam and would result in a deeply divided Iraqi society prone to violent internal conflict,” Douglas Jehl and David E. Sanger reported in The New York Times last September. In December 2004, Jehl reported a few weeks later, the NIC warned that “Iraq and other possible conflicts in the future could provide recruitment, training grounds, technical skills and language proficiency for a new class of terrorists who are ‘professionalised’ and for whom political violence becomes an end in itself.” The willingness of top planners to risk increase of terrorism does not of course indicate that they welcome such outcomes. Rather, they are simply not a high priority in comparison with other objectives, such as controlling the world’s major energy resources.

Shortly after the invasion of Iraq, Zbigniew Brzezinski, one of the more astute of the senior planners and analysts, pointed out in the journal National Interest that America’s control over the Middle East “gives it indirect but politically critical leverage on the European and Asian economies that are also dependent on energy exports from the region.” If the United States can maintain its control over Iraq, with the world’s second largest known oil reserves, and right at the heart of the world’s major energy supplies, that will enhance significantly its strategic power and influence over its major rivals in the tripolar world that has been taking shape for the past 30 years: US-dominated North America, Europe, and Northeast Asia, linked to South and Southeast Asia economies.

It is a rational calculation, on the assumption that human survival is not particularly significant in comparison with short-term power and wealth. And that is nothing new. These themes resonate through history. The difference today in this age of nuclear weapons is only that the stakes are enormously higher.

[quote]danweltmann wrote:

A truly idiotic response. Why am I not surprised? The butchery continues as we speak in places like Faluja.[/quote]

The claim of 100,000 casualties is bogus, and has been debunked.

A “lefty” perspective on American history. What is worth noting is how he uses original sources to back up his claims.
http://www.chomsky.info/articles/20050716.pdf

[quote]danweltmann wrote:

In 2002 the US and United Kingdom proclaimed the right to invade Iraq because it was developing weapons of mass destruction. That was the “single question,” as stressed constantly by Bush, Prime Minister Blair and associates. It was also the sole basis on which Bush received congressional authorisation to resort to force.[/quote]

Oops. Looks like Chomsky forgot to do his homework again on a topic, instead posting drivel that suits his radical ideology than viewing a topic empirically.

There was just a recent discussion in this thread about whether WMDs were the sole reason the US-UK went to war, and even the antiwar critics on this site know better - and have explicitly said so.

Perhaps Chomsky let his LexisNexis membership go, but a basic Google search on his capitalist-imperalist invention of the internet would render the Senate authorization, which contained more than 20 writs against Saddam:

http://www.broadbandc-span.org/downloads/hjres114.pdf#search=‘senate%20authorization%20iraq’

Sadly, this isn’t just a game of ‘gotcha!’ - Chomsky continues to undermine his credibility - whatever he has left - by ignoring context and empirical evidence merely to advance his agenda. I’ll say it again - outside of the fringe Left, no one takes Chomsky’s views on foreign policy seriously.

And his sycophant followers - like you, Dan - are a laughingstock.

[quote]thunderbolt23 wrote:
danweltmann wrote:

In 2002 the US and United Kingdom proclaimed the right to invade Iraq because it was developing weapons of mass destruction. That was the “single question,” as stressed constantly by Bush, Prime Minister Blair and associates. It was also the sole basis on which Bush received congressional authorisation to resort to force.

Oops. Looks like Chomsky forgot to do his homework again on a topic, instead posting drivel that suits his radical ideology than viewing a topic empirically.

There was just a recent discussion in this thread about whether WMDs were the sole reason the US-UK went to war, and even the antiwar critics on this site know better - and have explicitly said so.

Perhaps Chomsky let his LexisNexis membership go, but a basic Google search on his capitalist-imperalist invention of the internet would render the Senate authorization, which contained more than 20 writs against Saddam:

http://www.broadbandc-span.org/downloads/hjres114.pdf#search=‘senate%20authorization%20iraq’

Sadly, this isn’t just a game of ‘gotcha!’ - Chomsky continues to undermine his credibility - whatever he has left - by ignoring context and empirical evidence merely to advance his agenda. I’ll say it again - outside of the fringe Left, no one takes Chomsky’s views on foreign policy seriously.

And his sycophant followers - like you, Dan - are a laughingstock.[/quote]

Perhaps the document was a little difficult for you to comprehend, so I’ll point out the obvious: the “single question” refers to the constant propaganda in the media, not some obscure document that likely had nothing to do with public opinion.

Second, I checked the link you gave, and that’s a document from Congress not Senate, as you stated.
And lastly, for the love of Jesus, I know damn well there were more reasons than WMD’s to go to war, THAT’S THE FUCKING POINT!

[quote]danweltmann wrote:

Perhaps the document was a little difficult for you to comprehend, so I’ll point out the obvious: the “single question” refers to the constant propaganda in the media[/quote]

But that is not what Chomsky says - he deliberately stated “that it was also the sole basis on which Bush received congressional authorisation to resort to force” , not what you are trying to discuss. Hey, Chomsky is a linguist - he knows words matter, and chooses them wisely. Surely he told you this when you got your decoder ring?

Is this a joke? A Joint Congressional authorization for the President of the United States to use armed force against an enemy is an ‘obscure document’? This, from a Chomskyite who trumpets a man who relies on dubious sources so illegitimate they can’t even get published?

I don’t know whether to laugh or cry, Dan.

The Congress, genius, is the meeting of our two houses in the legislature, the House and the Senate. When a document refers to ‘Congress’, it means [b]both[/b] houses. The Senate is part of the Congress, not seperate of it. The Senate and the House both voted on this resolution. Assuming you can read correctly, you should have been tipped off by the ‘H.J.’ in the title.

The House initially voted 296-133 in favor of the authorization, and then what was needed was a Senate vote in favor, which occurred the next day at 77-23.

Yikes.

[quote]danweltmann wrote:

Let’s not forget at least 100,000 dead Iraqis. “In order to liberate the village, we had to destroy it.”[/quote]

This is a blatant lie.

Your position is based on falsehoods.

[quote]Professor X wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
After the Japanese attacked Pearl Harbor we invaded North Africa.

Most people of the day didn’t understand it. It was probably the best strategy to win the global war on fascism.

Fighting in Iraq may be the best strategy to fighting the global war on radical Islamic terrorism. I am not surprised many people don’t understand it (or refuse to undersatnd it for political reasons.)

Please. It has nothing to do with anyone not understanding anything. It has to do with seeing problems with how we went in when we did. No one has written that Iraq should have always been off limits so why do you keep arguing as if this was stated?[/quote]

The whole anti-war argument continues to list reasons why we should not have gone to war, but they ignore the only pertinent questions:

Is it in our strategic interests to fight in Iraq?

What else should we be doing to fight radical Islamic terror?

The rest of the debate is he said, she said politics.

[quote]vroom wrote:
Purely a matter of speculation but what would the world look like w/o going into Iraq and Afghanistan? Would it be a nice, happy place where we all live in peace? Hmmm…

Headhunter,

Surely you are not so biased that you think people arguing about Iraq did not favor the invasion of Afghanistan?

You come up with some wacky shit buddy, but tell me you are this blind.[/quote]

Do you mean ‘tell me you are NOT this blind.’? Anyway, why was it okay to invade the sovereign nation of Afghanistan but not Iraq? Does the fact that terrorists were there give us the right to invade? You mean you’re in favor of pre-emptive strikes? If someone says or intimates that he has WMDs then we should invade?

Sounds logical to me.

[quote]Professor X wrote:
Headhunter wrote:
Purely a matter of speculation but what would the world look like w/o going into Iraq and Afghanistan? Would it be a nice, happy place where we all live in peace? Hmmm…

It would be much livelier by about 2,000 troops worth.[/quote]

How do you know this? All I’m asking (and I know it is speculation) is: what if Saddam and the Taliban were still in power in their respective countries? Would the world be better off or worse off, and why? Would beefing up security at home more so obtained a different result than we have?

Since we have not been struck since 9/11, I would conclude that our strategy worked and that other alternatives would not have been as desireable.

[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
Is it in our strategic interests to fight in Iraq?[/quote]

It is in our “strategic interest” to have a base of operations in the middle east. That in itself has little to do with the GWOT because they aren’t localized to one area that can’t simply be moved.

Possibly not assume that physically fighting radical Islamic terror will decrease Islamic radicalism. If there is a war to be fought, it is based in mental perception, ancient history and religion. You don’t fight that directly with guns and expect it to be over with a few shots. The more people killed, the more “radical terrorists” you create. This isn’t as simple as “let’s go kill 'em all”. Whether a new system of democratic government in that part of the world can withstand outside pressure for decades to come has yet to be seen. Due to that, it is a tad early to be giving high fives and pats on the back simply because there was an election process. These people didn’t even fight for this on their own. It has yet to be seen whether they can fight to continue on their own.

[quote]danweltmann wrote:
thunderbolt23 wrote:
danweltmann wrote:

Let’s not forget at least 100,000 dead Iraqis. “In order to liberate the village, we had to destroy it.”

Enough with this ridiculous claim. Idiocy.

A truly idiotic response. Why am I not surprised? The butchery continues as we speak in places like Faluja.[/quote]

…by the terrorists.

[quote]danweltmann wrote:
thunderbolt23 wrote:
danweltmann wrote:

Let’s not forget at least 100,000 dead Iraqis. “In order to liberate the village, we had to destroy it.”

Enough with this ridiculous claim. Idiocy.

A truly idiotic response. Why am I not surprised? The butchery continues as we speak in places like Faluja.[/quote]

Let’s just say that number is highly contended:

http://www.T-Nation.com/readTopic.do?id=519005

[quote]Headhunter wrote:
Since we have not been struck since 9/11, I would conclude that our strategy worked and that other alternatives would not have been as desireable.
[/quote]

Again, we weren’t being struck often BEFORE 9/11, so why contribute our lack of a successful direct attack since then to the war in Iraq? We have bumped up security at the easiest points of previous weakness. That is why we haven’t been met withy another attack, not because we sent troops to Iraq. Why do some of you seem to think they are running scared like that?

[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:

The whole anti-war argument continues to list reasons why we should not have gone to war, but they ignore the only pertinent questions:

Is it in our strategic interests to fight in Iraq?

What else should we be doing to fight radical Islamic terror?

The rest of the debate is he said, she said politics.[/quote]

They should read these:

http://tigerhawk.blogspot.com/2005/11/strategic-overview-annotating-and.html

http://www.whitehouse.gov/infocus/iraq/iraq_strategy_nov2005.html

[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
danweltmann wrote:

Let’s not forget at least 100,000 dead Iraqis. “In order to liberate the village, we had to destroy it.”

This is a blatant lie.

Your position is based on falsehoods.[/quote]

No - his position is based on whatever Chomsky says his position says it should be based on.

Is there really anyone other than mush headed college kids that actually buy the crap Chomsky is selling? Maybe if I start using my words carefully, without actually saying anything of substance, I can gain cult-like status.

Does his kool-aid really taste that good? Reminds me of “.9 banana man”.

The blindness you ascribe to them is only equalled by your own…

As I’ve pointed out before, I’ve read a fair bit of right wing stuff, including the mainstream media. I keep mentioning Chomsky because he actually documents what he says.

Thirty books in print, most bestsellers, translated into dozens of languages. His speeches are booked two years in advance.

I guess your comments are indeed without substance.

[quote]Headhunter wrote:
It is ‘surprise’, Gomer! Anyway, there is so much wrong with your post, I don’t know where to begin. Let’s see: was it in the UN mandate to remove Saddam in '91? If not, then how did Bush I ‘turn his back’ on the Iraqi people? Oh, he should have ignored the UN and liberated them. But wait, isn’t that one reason why the libs are pissed at Bush II, for ignoring the UN?

Now, please think about Saddam. Is he going to say, “Well boys, they’re not done yet but we’re at work on WMDs.” No. He’d say he has them to scare off would-be liberators. Don’t you think
Bush and his people know this?

You need to accept reality: most other countries in the world hate this country because we are a threat to their rule. If some people are free, others will soon enough want that too. Are you helping or hindering that effort?

[/quote]
I’m guessing you haven’t read through the PNAC site yet? I’m assuming because you say “there is so much wrong with your post, I don’t know where to begin.”
But I’ve only quoted the actual document written by senior President Bush cabinet members…

Tip: read first, then critique…

Onwards though,

Let’s see: was it in the UN mandate to remove Saddam in '91? If not, then how did Bush I ‘turn his back’ on the Iraqi people?

I don’t remember mentioning the UN mandate,(quick check- I didn’t) The shi’ites did rebel against Saddam with G.H.W. Bush’s encouragement. And the U.S. could have enforced the no-fly zone against Saddam’s helicopter gun-ships, but Bush/Gen. Schwarzkopf chose not to. Result: massacre. President Bush Sr. also continued to fund Saddam after he gassed the Kurds. My point being WMD/or “terrorizing his own people” had nothing to do with our invasion. The main reason listed by the architects of the war is military presence in the Gulf as documented in their own writings. See for yourself.

Do you honestly think these folks could ever get past the cognitive dissonance for long enough to even consider such a thing?

They will clutch onto documents and speeches listing a million reasons, and how bad Saddam was, and how much people around the world need democracy, but they will never seriously consider for a moment that the leadership ever had other motives, that didn’t sound so politically appropriate.

The US is the best place on Earth. Nothing it does in it’s own interests can possibly be inappropriate in any way whatsoever, ever, no matter how vile and self-serving the act. To argue otherwise is simply self-loathing anti-US hatred.

Fool.