Why?
Cause it would be the ultimate debate on volume and muscle growth
Why would it? This presumes that these two are the foremost minds on volume and muscle growth. They are prominent and well known, but that might be a stretch.
There is an episode on Iron Culture Podcast where Dr Brad Schoenfeld, Dr Brandon Roberts, Dr Juha Hulmi and Dr Eric Helms discuss specifically the science of hypertrophy. What makes you think this discussion would be in any way inferior?
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@Pinkylifting has described perfectly why it wouldnāt be perfect. Iām not convinced it would even be much of a debate. Iād imagine theyād both give their point of view once and then end up off topic within 5mins. Which would honestly be far more entertaining all round, theyāre both pretty entertaining guys by all accounts.
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I have a lot of respect for Pauls experience and perspective as an in the trenches coach. I have no doubt he knows what works. I do not think he is inclined to ādebateā anyone on any topic. It would either be finding places where other people will concede heās right, or him calling them names for not agreeing with him.
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Dude Iām not going to go out and text Jim to tell him this. FML.
Iām debating someone on the topic this week actually. The fact that I caught your little undertone that Iām an āin the trenchesā guy means youāre implying Iām not a science guy, which is funny. I laughed.
In case youāre not aware LOTS of guys in the āevidence basedā field have almost no experience with training people and the practical application of principles. The lack of that means their ability to teach is quite incomplete and having some letters in front of their name doesnāt make them āscience basedā.
22 college age kids doing some made up training routine in a lab three times a week isnāt the final word on training, in case you didnāt know.
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I am aware, I donāt listen to those or respect their opinion. I do yours.
I did and couldnāt agree more
It means youāre an in the trenches guy, itās a complement actually, for the very reasons youāve outlined above. If I want to know WHAT works, I will absolutely look at what you have to say on a topic. If I want to know WHY it works, there are other people I would look to first. Nothing more meant by it than that.
I think itās almost necessary to not be too evidence based to be as effective as possible because otherwise half of your answers would have to be āwe donāt really know for sureā. Itās a different skill set fulfilling a different need.
The only undertone was that you arenāt very good at debating, youāre good at arguing.
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Debating IS arguing. The terms are semantics.
The rest of what you said thurr, I agree withā¦
Right now, weāre in kind of a weird time where thereās lots of āevidence basedā fanboys who just follow real researchers and donāt pick up on little words like āmightā ācould beā āmaybeā and such. And then they read an abstract and proceed to vomit all over dissenting opinions about how itās not evidence based.
Honestly the term makes me sick now because itās not what it used to actually mean.
As far as the rest, thank you for the words. I get so many trolls coming through my social media now itās hard for me to discern at times when someone is being snarky or being sincere. Just the nature of prose online.
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This podcast with scott stevenson knocks it out of the park and will save ppl time arguing with paul if they listen to it.
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People like to harp on the differences while ignoring what Paul and Jimās training methodologies have in common. Both emphasize a small number of high effort sets on the big lifts. The only real difference is the approach to assistance work. You could easily do a 5/3/1 style main lift and Paul style assistance. For your main lift you could do 5/3/1 pyramid style. Go for a PR on the top set then on one or both of the down sets. Follow that up with a couple assistance lifts using Paulās 350 method. Easy. No drama.
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Regarding āevidence basedā fanboys, recently I was reading trough this Chris Beardsley āhow to trainā series of articles and It confused the hell out of my when I tried to put it all together in terms of programing and I came to conclusion āfuck it, train bodypart two time per week with low-moderate volume with honest effort-intensity and forget about everything elseā. Iām just sucker for all nuances like ādelts are actually bigger than latsā
hahah I love Chrisā stuff tho.
Here let me make this easier for you for triceps -
Since the elbow is a hinge joint and only moves in 1 direction, simply focus on the long head.
So pick a movement to train it in the short and lengthened position. Most heavy pressing work is still going to sufficiently stimulate it in the mid-range position so donāt sweat that.
The best short position to train it in are the dual rope or cross body extensions, and then simply use a dual rope overhead extension of cross cable overhead extension.
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Thank You, one quick follow up question, after reading his work I wasnāt sure what type of exercise will be right for upper traps (since he wrote that shrugging motion is actually middle traps function), would You say that wide row will do?
The seated version is best imo with one of those short padded seats that only go upto your mid back. With the seated overhead cross cable tricep extension you can really push the weight as opposed to when your standing youre fighting for stability. Set the cables just below shoulder height.
Also, i think we forget if your a PL or a guy who wants to improve the big 3, more reps during training will help āgrease the grooveā as they say.
If you want to be a better squatterā¦squat. if you want to be a big OHPer you have to OHP. but to build big quads and shoulders, there are better ways then just adding volume to those lifts
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Looks greatā¦or You Can ask someone to push You lol
Thatās 100% a rhomboid bias movement.
No this is incorrect. You donāt want to do more reps to āgrease the grooveā.
You get better with repeating a motor pattern in the manner in which you want to execute with it.
Youāre doing more reps youāre building more fatigue. This is why that training with more volume and submax loading but explosive reps work best for weeks or months at a time with the powerlifts.
No more than 5 reps per set .