Worst President Post WWII

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[quote]hspder wrote:
steveo5801 wrote:
(2) His tax cuts have produced an excellent, sustained, economic recovery with plenty of job growth and income growth.

What planet do you live in? Do you actually know what you’re talking about?

As we speak, we’re experiencing a tremendous economic slowdown. We are getting plenty of economic data showing that we’re entering a very dangerous period of stagflation – characterized by inflation without GDP growth.

I’ve explained this billions of times – what Bush, much like your idol RR, was inject billions of dollars in debt into de economy, creating “virtual growth” – growth that is driven quite simply by debt.

It’s like getting a new credit card and thinking you’ve suddenly become richer.

It’s simply moronic.

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OK, let’s hear your alternative economic plan? What do you think should be done if things are so bad?

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[quote]hspder wrote:
steveo5801 wrote:
(2) His tax cuts have produced an excellent, sustained, economic recovery with plenty of job growth and income growth.

What planet do you live in? Do you actually know what you’re talking about?

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Hspder, this is the same guy who once told me that the country was getting more Republican simply because of how many states are red on the map. Apparently, he forgot about that “population” thing.

So I’d say “no”, he doesn’t.

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[quote]steveo5801 wrote:

Irish,

I am not even going to respond to your usual idiotic drivel. However, I challenge you or anyone else to read over my posts, and Zeb’s posts, etc. then read through yours. You seep with hatred for anything and anyone that has to do with God? Why is that?

You even go so far as trying to implicate Bush in some sort of sex scandel – when your own “boy” William “B.J.” Clinton was caught with his pants literally down in the WH and you have no problem with that.

Whatever you say Irish…whatever you say.[/quote]

The thing is, I don’t give a fuck about their personal habits; I don’t pay them to be “moral”, because they are human and make mistakes (just like everyone else). I don’t care who Bill got a blowjob from- I hope it was a good one. What I care about is that the guy knew how to get things done, and he had the faith of the people when he did it. If he had run against ole W…it’d be a different world now.

And you know what, though I respect Zeb, even though I don’t agree with him, I have to say that you religious zealouts are the most close minded, damning people around. At least he varies from his party line once in a while, and feels strongly about it. You? You’re a bullshit troll. Nothin more.

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[quote]steveo5801 wrote:
OK, let’s hear your alternative economic plan? What do you think should be done if things are so bad? [/quote]

I’ve already answered that question many, many times around here. Use the Search feature.

To give you a couple of keywords for your search, I believe that the key is to focus on increasing productivity by giving EVERYONE (not just the “entrepreneurs” among us) the tools to work both smarter and harder. Focus on our strengths as a highly educated and developed country. Attract the best and the brightest of the world, rather than more cheap labor. Provide our working force with the quality of life that will enable them to continue to lead the rest of the world in just about every area. Further reduce our exposure to foreign volatility. Reduce our public debt and sponsor initiatives that influence a reduction of private debt too.

None of the above require reducing taxes, by the way, and they actually have a long-lasting positive effect rather than serving as a recreational drug (which is basically what tax reduction is – a recreational drug).

As I said, if you want to know more, SEARCH.

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[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
Hspder, this is the same guy who once told me that the country was getting more Republican simply because of how many states are red on the map. Apparently, he forgot about that “population” thing.[/quote]

Talking about Red States, I’m in Dallas, Texas this week.

If you think people in New Jersey are aggressive drivers and drink a lot, come here. You will start feeling that NJ is pretty tame and sober. And if you’re still single and like blondes, even in Vegas you want find as many loose blondes as you do here.

Yeah, these people sure follow the Bible’s teachings! Plenty of booze, aggressive behavior and lots of extra-marital sex!

And then they complain about San Francisco, quite possibly the tamest, most refrained city in the US…

If that’s not the definition of hypocrisy, I don’t know what is.

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[quote]hspder wrote:
FightinIrish26 wrote:
Hspder, this is the same guy who once told me that the country was getting more Republican simply because of how many states are red on the map. Apparently, he forgot about that “population” thing.

Talking about Red States, I’m in Dallas, Texas this week.

If you think people in New Jersey are aggressive drivers and drink a lot, come here. You will start feeling that NJ is pretty tame and sober. And if you’re still single and like blondes, even in Vegas you want find as many loose blondes as you do here.

Yeah, these people sure follow the Bible’s teachings! Plenty of booze, aggressive behavior and lots of extra-marital sex!

And then they complain about San Francisco, quite possibly the tamest, most refrained city in the US…

If that’s not the definition of hypocrisy, I don’t know what is.[/quote]

LOL.

At least I admit that I like drinking and loose women. It’s all an act for the rest of’em.

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[quote]hspder wrote:
FightinIrish26 wrote:
Hspder, this is the same guy who once told me that the country was getting more Republican simply because of how many states are red on the map. Apparently, he forgot about that “population” thing.

Talking about Red States, I’m in Dallas, Texas this week.

If you think people in New Jersey are aggressive drivers and drink a lot, come here. You will start feeling that NJ is pretty tame and sober. And if you’re still single and like blondes, even in Vegas you want find as many loose blondes as you do here.

Yeah, these people sure follow the Bible’s teachings! Plenty of booze, aggressive behavior and lots of extra-marital sex!

And then they complain about San Francisco, quite possibly the tamest, most refrained city in the US…

If that’s not the definition of hypocrisy, I don’t know what is.[/quote]

Can we come to Stanford and pass judgments about you, based on the people we see in the street? If there are homeless people milling about, for ex, can we conclude that ‘all you Stanford libs’ just talk a lot and don’t help anyone? So on and so forth, Prof?

You really DO have a low regard for ordinary people in our country, don’t you Doc. I guess even a person with 3 phds still has a lot to learn. (You can insult me here,Doc. We understand.)

HH

BTW: Texas is, by far, the most outstanding state in this country. Its the heart and soul of America. Ah, if the wife wasn’t tenured…
and Kinky for governor!!!

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Void of any real reasoning - the self-described genius on here decides to let everyone know how hypocritical people in a huge city are.

Great job.

FYI - Dallas is hardly part of Texas what with all the immigrants from the lesser states coming here to live the dream.

But your ignorance and bigotry will not allow you to take an honest look at anything.

Thats why those who can do, and those who can’t surround themselves with others who can’t and tell everyone that are actually out there doing that they are wrong.

I hope I never get caught doing anything that hspder agrees with. I think I would slit my throat, because that is a slime you just can’t wash off.

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[quote]hspder wrote:
steveo5801 wrote:
(2) His tax cuts have produced an excellent, sustained, economic recovery with plenty of job growth and income growth.

What planet do you live in? Do you actually know what you’re talking about?

As we speak, we’re experiencing a tremendous economic slowdown. We are getting plenty of economic data showing that we’re entering a very dangerous period of stagflation – characterized by inflation without GDP growth.

I’ve explained this billions of times – what Bush, much like your idol RR, was inject billions of dollars in debt into de economy, creating “virtual growth” – growth that is driven quite simply by debt.

It’s like getting a new credit card and thinking you’ve suddenly become richer.

It’s simply moronic.

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I hear the deficit is smaller than projected.

True?

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[quote]rainjack wrote:
The worst president post WWII has to be either Carter, or Johnson.

Carter was the one that allowed terrorism to take root, and Johnson was almost single handedly responsible for the escalation of Viet Nam.[/quote]

That is spot on correct!

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[quote]Headhunter wrote:
rainjack wrote:
The worst president post WWII has to be either Carter, or Johnson.

Carter was the one that allowed terrorism to take root, and Johnson was almost single handedly responsible for the escalation of Viet Nam.

Carter’s betrayal of the Shah of Iran could be rated one of the blackest marks against ANY president. Betraying a man who’s trying to bring his people out of the 7th century into the 20th…that is beyond forgiveness.

HH
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Good point HH but Iran was going to end up where it is today regardless.

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Harding has them all beat and George W. Bush has a long way to go.

There is a 50% chance it could go either way at this point and that is out of his control.

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[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
hspder wrote:
steveo5801 wrote:
(2) His tax cuts have produced an excellent, sustained, economic recovery with plenty of job growth and income growth.

What planet do you live in? Do you actually know what you’re talking about?

Hspder, this is the same guy who once told me that the country was getting more Republican simply because of how many states are red on the map. Apparently, he forgot about that “population” thing.

So I’d say “no”, he doesn’t.[/quote]

Irish,

Please quote me correctly if you are going to quote me.

I said that the vast majority of the nation’s COUNTIES when you look at the Electoral vote county-by-county is overwealmingly red. The reason I said this is because it is!

Hard to kick against the facts insn’t it?

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[quote]hspder wrote:
steveo5801 wrote:
OK, let’s hear your alternative economic plan? What do you think should be done if things are so bad?

I’ve already answered that question many, many times around here. Use the Search feature.

To give you a couple of keywords for your search, I believe that the key is to focus on increasing productivity by giving EVERYONE (not just the “entrepreneurs” among us) the tools to work both smarter and harder. Focus on our strengths as a highly educated and developed country. Attract the best and the brightest of the world, rather than more cheap labor. Provide our working force with the quality of life that will enable them to continue to lead the rest of the world in just about every area. Further reduce our exposure to foreign volatility. Reduce our public debt and sponsor initiatives that influence a reduction of private debt too.

None of the above require reducing taxes, by the way, and they actually have a long-lasting positive effect rather than serving as a recreational drug (which is basically what tax reduction is – a recreational drug).

As I said, if you want to know more, SEARCH.[/quote]

So are you saying that we should drastically reduce government spending to allow us to pay off the debt without incurring more debt?

What do you mean by: “Provide our working force with the quality of life that will enable them to continue to lead the rest of the world in just about every area.”

Sounds like more taxes to me if you think that the government has to provide for the quality of life for the people. I thought we are supposed to go out, work hard, and provide for ourselves. Please explain…

I know that you are not for reducing taxes. Liberals never are. You like taxes – the more the merrier so you can give the handouts to those who are lazy and don’t want to work or get a good education so that they can have a good job.

Also, your “plan” sounds a bit protectionistic to me. We tried that already – remember when we used to protect the American auto makers? What happend? The Japanese produced the best small cars in the world, while we were producing Pacers, Hornets, and Pintos that blew up when they were hit in the rear.

Let me boil your lib plan for you:

Tax, tax, tax, spend, spend, spend, “soak the rich,” “soak the rich,” …failed policies of the past.

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[quote]hspder wrote:
As we speak, we’re experiencing a tremendous economic slowdown. We are getting plenty of economic data showing that we’re entering a very dangerous period of stagflation – characterized by inflation without GDP growth.[/quote]

Bush has done wonders for the Canadian dollar. In 2002, it was valued at around .62 US$; now it’s hovering near .90 US$. Of course, if we compare with the Euro, we notice that our high newly found high value is mostly due to the US Peso slowly circling the drain; but hey, we’ll take what we can. : )

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A lower dollar is not a bad thing in and of itself.

The lower the dollar - the more competitive American farmers can be in the world market.

May not mean much to a bunch of city slickers, but it’s my bread and butter. When Farmers make money - I make money.

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[quote]rainjack wrote:
A lower dollar is not a bad thing in and of itself.

The lower the dollar - the more competitive American farmers can be in the world market.

May not mean much to a bunch of city slickers, but it’s my bread and butter. When Farmers make money - I make money. [/quote]

Hate to burst your bubble but Wall Street will have more of any effect on you that ADM.

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[quote]Marmadogg wrote:
rainjack wrote:
A lower dollar is not a bad thing in and of itself.

The lower the dollar - the more competitive American farmers can be in the world market.

May not mean much to a bunch of city slickers, but it’s my bread and butter. When Farmers make money - I make money.

Hate to burst your bubble but Wall Street will have more of any effect on you that ADM.[/quote]

The crash of 2000 - 2001 had little, if any affect on farming. That’s not to say that some of my clients stuck in aggressive growth funds didn’t take a bath - but that is a different animal.

I’m talking about my little corner of the world where everything that is ‘bad’ for the economy is inversely ‘good’ for the farmers.

High interest, moderate inflation, and a devalued dollar means higher relative commodity prices for my farmers. Which means they make more money and keep farming. When they keep farming, I get to keep doing their books.

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[quote]steveo5801 wrote:
FightinIrish26 wrote:
hspder wrote:
steveo5801 wrote:
(2) His tax cuts have produced an excellent, sustained, economic recovery with plenty of job growth and income growth.

What planet do you live in? Do you actually know what you’re talking about?

Hspder, this is the same guy who once told me that the country was getting more Republican simply because of how many states are red on the map. Apparently, he forgot about that “population” thing.

So I’d say “no”, he doesn’t.

Irish,

Please quote me correctly if you are going to quote me.

I said that the vast majority of the nation’s COUNTIES when you look at the Electoral vote county-by-county is overwealmingly red. The reason I said this is because it is!

Hard to kick against the facts insn’t it?
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I don’t know…is there a reason you didn’t post on the politics forum for a couple months after that one? Because you were dead wrong, as always, and your lack of common sense and any kind of reason is hysterical.

Pull up the thread and let people decide for themselves.

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[quote]hspder wrote:
Talking about Red States, I’m in Dallas, Texas this week. If you think people in New Jersey are aggressive drivers and drink a lot, come here. You will start feeling that NJ is pretty tame and sober. [/quote]

There are millions of people living in Dallas and New Jersey. Glad to see that you’ve been able to already classify them all together!

You would know this… how? I’m going to go out on a limb here and say that not one of them has shown the slightest interest in you, professor.

You wonder why people hold college professors in such low regard. They battle furiously against any kind of stereotyping – that they don’t agree with.

However, it’s perfectly fine to spend a week in Dallas, and then make grand condescending stereotypes about the character of the people living there after extremely limited exposure. Especially given that the stereotype arrived at was simply an enhancement of what the professor believed BEFORE HE’D EVER SET FOOT IN TEXAS! To judge their christianity, their sexual morals, their behavior towards their fellow man… Dang good for a week’s work!

Ummmm… having lived in the Bay Area, I would say that’s not just a mischaracterization, but a goddamned lie. I don’t know if you are just ignorant of every nice city in America, or are lying to make yourself feel superior. There are HUNDREDS of cities across the US that would qualify as both “tamer” and more “refrained” than the flamboyant Bay Bath-house.

I agree. Your posts defined “hypocrisy”. I hope you teach your students not to stereotype based on limited experience, but “since all professors are liberal hacks who couldn’t make it in the real world” (just throwing some of your smug stereotyping back at you), I’m not holding my breath.