[quote]ZEB wrote:
Interesting how the “God haters” come out of the wood work as soon as you mention Jesus Christ. Hey, is that hate speech Sam? [/quote]
…Just like the bible thumpers come out of the woodwork when anyone mentions homosexuality hey Zeb? isn’t that hate speech?
God hater? What God, Which God? Whose God? The one that drives men to blow themselves up, or the one thats says it’s ok to reign fire on children?
[quote]Massif wrote:
ZEB wrote:
harhar:
Sorry to burst your bubble my man, but when you take one sentence out of context it’s sort misleading huh? You have John 20:31 all wrong!
John 20:31 is a direct reference to the previous sentence John 20:30, which states:
“Jesus did many other miraculous signs in the presence of his disciples which are not recorded in this book (the Bible).”
Then John 20:30 goes on to state:
“these are written that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the son of God and that by believing you may have life in his name.”
Respectfully snipped…
Zeb, my understanding would be that if John stated that something was not recorded in this book, that he would be talking about the Book of John, not the entire bible, as the bible is actually a conglomerate of individual books put together hundreds of years after the death of Jesus and his Apostles.[/quote]
Untrue my friend!
Sam:
Actually, I have never even come close to displaying hate speech toward homosexuals. In fact, if you review my posts on homosexuality, I stated on numerous occasions that it is their right and I would defend them if they (any homosexual) were attacked, either verbally or physically. Would you do the same for a Christain? Hmm, I bet not.
It’s called not agreeing with the lifestyle (or act) but agreeing to respect the persons beliefs, and their freedom to exercise those beliefs! Unfortunately, you don’t feel the same way regarding people who have religious beliefs and that’s a shame. In fact, from what I can tell of your short life on T-Nation it seems you refuse to respect peoples religious beliefs. You don’t think there is a God so therefore you attempt to attack and demean anyone who espouses those beliefs. Again, I think that’s hate speech.
To be clear I never brought up Jesus as a “tough guy” on this or any other thread. I think it was “thrasher” who first mentioned Jesus name on this thread, way back on the first page. However, it was followed by several others who felt the same way. That disturbs you huh? You feel a need to lash out bitterly when you read things like that huh?
As soon as someone mentions Jesus you are all over them. Let’s take a look at just two of your hatefilled Gems:
“Christianity was intended for the Jews, but they correctly sniffed it out for being a crock of BS.”
“Jesus Schmesus, if he was shot with a rifle would you hang one of those around your neck.”
How open minded of you. Oh…that’s right you are only open minded when it comes to homosexualtiy! If it does not fit your own personal beliefs then it’s okay to trash it, is that your code? Who is the intolerant one?
You have something like 5 posts on this forum. Right? (at least under the name of “Sam”) Two of them are defending Homosexuality and I think two of them are attacking Christianity. One actually talks about training. So…we know where you are coming from, and it’s not from a position of tolerance.
I would make only one correction to one of your lines posted on another thread:
“I judge a man or a woman by their integrity wisdom, honor not by who they sleep with.”
You know, I agree with that line. However, I think in your case you need to add the following: “unless they believe in some sort of God and actually have the nerve to mention it. Then I will immediately demean their religious beliefs.”
Yep…
[quote]ZEB wrote:
Untrue my friend!
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Which part is untrue?
The earliest known evidence of Christians seperating themselves from the Jewish Old Testament is the Muratorian Canon in about 180 AD. The Canon is a discussion paper regarding which books, gospels and readings should be embraced by Christians, and which ones should be considered heretical. The surviving part only really regards Mark, Matthew, Luke, and John as suitable for inclusion in the Bible.
When John wrote his gospel, Christians were still using the Old Testament as the Bible. I don’t think one of the apostles of Christ would have been arrogant enough to think that the work he is currently writing will be included in the new bible.
http://images.t-nation.com/forum_images/./1/.1108691550416.christ_puncher_sm.jpg
Although not mentioned in the bible, Jesus could indeed take a punch.
The life of Jesus has been referenced hundreds of times, in many different languages, from numerous pieces of literatue.
Pookie posts on an internet forum.
I am more likely to believe in the existence of Jesus than I am in the existence of Pookie.
I would point out that Christianity was not intended merely for the Jews, but rather for the whole populace, which is why Jesus sent his disciples to all corners of the known world during his lifetime. Additionally, it can be inferred from the fact that the practicing Christians who were Jewish embraced Gentiles into their fold.
Did Hebrews as a whole people reject Jesus and “sniff out his bs”? Hardly, he was welcomed adoringly by a large portion of the people. Only those whose ill-gotten gains were enthreatened, had cause to quibble over his preaching, and, yes, some of the Jews were responsible for Jesus’ death.
As for the issue over the passage from John. I agree with those that are stating that it was written by John to implicate only his gospel(since the gosepls were not written at the same time, nor all used by the same early churchs).
[quote]monkm wrote:
The life of Jesus has been referenced hundreds of times, in many different languages, from numerous pieces of literatue.[/quote]
Vampire stories exist in almost every culture. Thousands of such stories have been told, written and passed down the generation; in many culture and many languages.
That’s why we believe in vampires.
Tens of thousands of books have been written about UFOs; weird pictures have been taken; movies done.
Therefore, UFOs definitely exist and are visiting us regularly.
Astrology has been around for many thousand years. Again, many books have been written; hundreds of millions of person read their horoscope in the paper everyday.
Astrology is thus perfectly valid and correct.
1000 years ago, the near majority of the human population believed the planet to be flat.
Hence, the Earth was flat and has only recently inflated to it’s current spherical shape.
I do? Where?
As is your right. If it’s true, you’ve got very strong faith.
[quote]Moon Knight wrote:
I would point out that Christianity was not intended merely for the Jews, but rather for the whole populace, which is why Jesus sent his disciples to all corners of the known world during his lifetime. Additionally, it can be inferred from the fact that the practicing Christians who were Jewish embraced Gentiles into their fold.[/quote]
I don’t think gentiles were “embraced” as such; I think that the early chuch, to put a stop to the persecutions, managed to “convert” the Roman emperor Constantine. Constantine then facilitated the growth of christianity as the “official” religion of the empire, forcing it on all subjects of the Roman empire. (Well, that’s not entirely accurate, but close enough.)
He also “cleaned up” the early church by basically having representatives of all church factions meet up in Nicea and get in agreement over what a Christian was and what he would believe.
Constantine was not around until 300 or so years after Jesus’ death.
Meanwhile, the “embracing” I was referring to had been going on since soon after his death. The disciples who remained, and their followers welcomed all peoples into the ranks of Christianity, just as Jesus had sent the disciples out to all parts of the known world for that purpose.
[quote]ZEB wrote:
Sam:
Actually, I have never even come close to displaying hate speech toward homosexuals. In fact, if you review my posts on homosexuality, I stated on numerous occasions that it is their right and I would defend them if they (any homosexual) were attacked, either verbally or physically. Would you do the same for a Christain? Hmm, I bet not.
It’s called not agreeing with the lifestyle (or act) but agreeing to respect the persons beliefs, and their freedom to exercise those beliefs! Unfortunately, you don’t feel the same way regarding people who have religious beliefs and that’s a shame. In fact, from what I can tell of your short life on T-Nation it seems you refuse to respect peoples religious beliefs. You don’t think there is a God so therefore you attempt to attack and demean anyone who espouses those beliefs. Again, I think that’s hate speech.
To be clear I never brought up Jesus as a “tough guy” on this or any other thread. I think it was “thrasher” who first mentioned Jesus name on this thread, way back on the first page. However, it was followed by several others who felt the same way. That disturbs you huh? You feel a need to lash out bitterly when you read things like that huh?
As soon as someone mentions Jesus you are all over them. Let’s take a look at just two of your hatefilled Gems:
“Christianity was intended for the Jews, but they correctly sniffed it out for being a crock of BS.”
“Jesus Schmesus, if he was shot with a rifle would you hang one of those around your neck.”
How open minded of you. Oh…that’s right you are only open minded when it comes to homosexualtiy! If it does not fit your own personal beliefs then it’s okay to trash it, is that your code? Who is the intolerant one?
You have something like 5 posts on this forum. Right? (at least under the name of “Sam”) Two of them are defending Homosexuality and I think two of them are attacking Christianity. One actually talks about training. So…we know where you are coming from, and it’s not from a position of tolerance.
I would make only one correction to one of your lines posted on another thread:
“I judge a man or a woman by their integrity wisdom, honor not by who they sleep with.”
You know, I agree with that line. However, I think in your case you need to add the following: “unless they believe in some sort of God and actually have the nerve to mention it. Then I will immediately demean their religious beliefs.”
Yep…
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Firstly, I did not specifically refer to your posts on homosexuality, so I apologise if I was unclear.
Secondly I don’t ever remember saying anywhere that I don’t believe in a God(s) or do not have religious beliefs myself.
Thirdly, It is not my sole ‘mission’ to defend homosexuality or attack Christianity. Like you said, I have five posts right, and you’re going to profile me with that!
to be continued…
I am the worlds tufftiest man.
When it comes to Christianity it is hard to disagree with Bill Hicks
He said:
I’ve learned a lot about women. I think I’ve learned exactly how the fall of man occured in the Garden of Eden. Adam and Eve were in the Garden of Eden, and Adam said one day, Wow, Eve, here we are, at one with nature, at one with God, we’ll never age, we’ll never die, and all our dreams come true the instant that we have them. And Eve said, Yeah… it’s just not enough is it?
and also,
A lot of Christians wear crosses around their necks. You think when Jesus comes back he ever wants to see a fucking cross? It’s like going up to Jackie Onassis wearing a rifle pendant
I could be wrong, but, I’m guessing the cross-wearing habits developed somewhere along the line from the verse in the gospels where Jesus blesses those that will carry the cross after him. Was he being literal? Probably not. I imagine he was simply referring to those that would be persecuted and put through strife for their good intentions. Now its nothing more then a fashion statement for many.
[quote]Sam Gibbons wrote:
ZEB wrote:
Sam:
Actually, I have never even come close to displaying hate speech toward homosexuals. In fact, if you review my posts on homosexuality, I stated on numerous occasions that it is their right and I would defend them if they (any homosexual) were attacked, either verbally or physically. Would you do the same for a Christain? Hmm, I bet not.
It’s called not agreeing with the lifestyle (or act) but agreeing to respect the persons beliefs, and their freedom to exercise those beliefs! Unfortunately, you don’t feel the same way regarding people who have religious beliefs and that’s a shame. In fact, from what I can tell of your short life on T-Nation it seems you refuse to respect peoples religious beliefs. You don’t think there is a God so therefore you attempt to attack and demean anyone who espouses those beliefs. Again, I think that’s hate speech.
To be clear I never brought up Jesus as a “tough guy” on this or any other thread. I think it was “thrasher” who first mentioned Jesus name on this thread, way back on the first page. However, it was followed by several others who felt the same way. That disturbs you huh? You feel a need to lash out bitterly when you read things like that huh?
As soon as someone mentions Jesus you are all over them. Let’s take a look at just two of your hatefilled Gems:
“Christianity was intended for the Jews, but they correctly sniffed it out for being a crock of BS.”
“Jesus Schmesus, if he was shot with a rifle would you hang one of those around your neck.”
How open minded of you. Oh…that’s right you are only open minded when it comes to homosexualtiy! If it does not fit your own personal beliefs then it’s okay to trash it, is that your code? Who is the intolerant one?
You have something like 5 posts on this forum. Right? (at least under the name of “Sam”) Two of them are defending Homosexuality and I think two of them are attacking Christianity. One actually talks about training. So…we know where you are coming from, and it’s not from a position of tolerance.
I would make only one correction to one of your lines posted on another thread:
“I judge a man or a woman by their integrity wisdom, honor not by who they sleep with.”
You know, I agree with that line. However, I think in your case you need to add the following: “unless they believe in some sort of God and actually have the nerve to mention it. Then I will immediately demean their religious beliefs.”
Yep…
Firstly, I did not specifically refer to your posts on homosexuality, so I apologise if I was unclear.
Secondly I don’t ever remember saying anywhere that I don’t believe in a God(s) or do not have religious beliefs myself.
Thirdly, It is not my sole ‘mission’ to defend homosexuality or attack Christianity. Like you said, I have five posts right, and you’re going to profile me with that!
to be continued…
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Your first point: You accused me of “coming out of the woodwork when someone mentions homosexuality.” You then stated “isn’t that hate speech?”
You were the first to mention homosexuality on this thread while referencing my name in the above manner. what else could you have been inferring, other than in one of my prior posts I used hate speech toward homosexuals? Which is erroneous as you probably now realize.
To your second point: Correct you have never flatly stated that you did not believe in God. However, you did state the following in one of your (now 6) posts:
“You are forgetting that a lot of the world does not submit to monotheism, and some of us are even trying to mend the mistakes of our ancestors.”
The above along with your obvious disdain for organized religion especially Christianity can only lead one to believe that you do not believe in a God.
If you do believe in God and are a member of some sort of religion does that religion promote the attacking of other religions? If so you are reaching new spiritual heights!
To your third and final point: You are the one who decided to join the finest muscle building site on the Internet and proceed to use 5 out of your now 6 posts to attack God and promote homosexuality. I simply pointed it out. If that’s not what you are all about I suggest that you start helping newbies with training questions. If you are a newbie yourself then start asking some relevent training/nutrition questions. Otherwise my friend you have profiled yourself!
You can continue your diatribe against God as threatened: “to be continued” however, I have a better idea. Have you read all of the training articles? T-Jack reports? Read all of the outstanding training posts? Used the search engine for research? Give them a try. You will be using your time far more wisely than sitting on this, or any thread using hate speech to bash God.
[quote]Moon Knight wrote:
I could be wrong, but, I’m guessing the cross-wearing habits developed somewhere along the line from the verse in the gospels where Jesus blesses those that will carry the cross after him. Was he being literal? Probably not. I imagine he was simply referring to those that would be persecuted and put through strife for their good intentions. Now its nothing more then a fashion statement for many.[/quote]
You imagine that is what jesus was referring to do you?
That or he was just a visionary of the jewellery trade…LOL
uhhh, Zeb, did we read the same posts? You’re accusing a guy who uses a RELIGIOUS/CULTURAL SYMBOL as his avatar of not believing in god!?! Its analogous to using a cross as your avatar and then being denounced as an atheist! It seems quite clear that Sam is Asatru; a “religion” that pre-dates your carpenter buddy by around 5000 years or more. If your bloodline originates in India or Europe, then, before the forced, mass conversions of the Dark Ages, your ancestors honored the Aesir. No disrespect is intended to anyone here, just wanted to correct some misinterpretations on the faith of my ancestors.
[quote]ZEB wrote:
Sam Gibbons wrote:
ZEB wrote:
Sam:
Actually, I have never even come close to displaying hate speech toward homosexuals. In fact, if you review my posts on homosexuality, I stated on numerous occasions that it is their right and I would defend them if they (any homosexual) were attacked, either verbally or physically. Would you do the same for a Christain? Hmm, I bet not.
It’s called not agreeing with the lifestyle (or act) but agreeing to respect the persons beliefs, and their freedom to exercise those beliefs! Unfortunately, you don’t feel the same way regarding people who have religious beliefs and that’s a shame. In fact, from what I can tell of your short life on T-Nation it seems you refuse to respect peoples religious beliefs. You don’t think there is a God so therefore you attempt to attack and demean anyone who espouses those beliefs. Again, I think that’s hate speech.
To be clear I never brought up Jesus as a “tough guy” on this or any other thread. I think it was “thrasher” who first mentioned Jesus name on this thread, way back on the first page. However, it was followed by several others who felt the same way. That disturbs you huh? You feel a need to lash out bitterly when you read things like that huh?
As soon as someone mentions Jesus you are all over them. Let’s take a look at just two of your hatefilled Gems:
“Christianity was intended for the Jews, but they correctly sniffed it out for being a crock of BS.”
“Jesus Schmesus, if he was shot with a rifle would you hang one of those around your neck.”
How open minded of you. Oh…that’s right you are only open minded when it comes to homosexualtiy! If it does not fit your own personal beliefs then it’s okay to trash it, is that your code? Who is the intolerant one?
You have something like 5 posts on this forum. Right? (at least under the name of “Sam”) Two of them are defending Homosexuality and I think two of them are attacking Christianity. One actually talks about training. So…we know where you are coming from, and it’s not from a position of tolerance.
I would make only one correction to one of your lines posted on another thread:
“I judge a man or a woman by their integrity wisdom, honor not by who they sleep with.”
You know, I agree with that line. However, I think in your case you need to add the following: “unless they believe in some sort of God and actually have the nerve to mention it. Then I will immediately demean their religious beliefs.”
Yep…
Firstly, I did not specifically refer to your posts on homosexuality, so I apologise if I was unclear.
Secondly I don’t ever remember saying anywhere that I don’t believe in a God(s) or do not have religious beliefs myself.
Thirdly, It is not my sole ‘mission’ to defend homosexuality or attack Christianity. Like you said, I have five posts right, and you’re going to profile me with that!
to be continued…
Your first point: You accused me of “coming out of the woodwork when someone mentions homosexuality.” You then stated “isn’t that hate speech?”
You were the first to mention homosexuality on this thread while referencing my name in the above manner. what else could you have been inferring, other than in one of my prior posts I used hate speech toward homosexuals? Which is erroneous as you probably now realize.
To your second point: Correct you have never flatly stated that you did not believe in God. However, you did state the following in one of your (now 6) posts:
“You are forgetting that a lot of the world does not submit to monotheism, and some of us are even trying to mend the mistakes of our ancestors.”
The above along with your obvious disdain for organized religion especially Christianity can only lead one to believe that you do not believe in a God.
If you do believe in God and are a member of some sort of religion does that religion promote the attacking of other religions? If so you are reaching new spiritual heights!
To your third and final point: You are the one who decided to join the finest muscle building site on the Internet and proceed to use 5 out of your now 6 posts to attack God and promote homosexuality. I simply pointed it out. If that’s not what you are all about I suggest that you start helping newbies with training questions. If you are a newbie yourself then start asking some relevent training/nutrition questions. Otherwise my friend you have profiled yourself!
You can continue your diatribe against God as threatened: “to be continued” however, I have a better idea. Have you read all of the training articles? T-Jack reports? Read all of the outstanding training posts? Used the search engine for research? Give them a try. You will be using your time far more wisely than sitting on this, or any thread using hate speech to bash God.
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I have been reading t-mag for years and gotten most of my training advice from it. Who the hell are you to tell me how to spend my time or how to use this website! How arrogant and condescending!
You certainly went to a lot of effort to analyse my posts and keep tabs on me… so you don’t like my opinions on some religions, boo-frickety-hoo, get off my back!
[quote]battlelust wrote:
uhhh, Zeb, did we read the same posts? You’re accusing a guy who uses a RELIGIOUS/CULTURAL SYMBOL as his avatar of not believing in god!?! Its analogous to using a cross as your avatar and then being denounced as an atheist! It seems quite clear that Sam is Asatru; a “religion” that pre-dates your carpenter buddy by around 5000 years or more. If your bloodline originates in India or Europe, then, before the forced, mass conversions of the Dark Ages, your ancestors honored the Aesir. No disrespect is intended to anyone here, just wanted to correct some misinterpretations on the faith of my ancestors.[/quote]
Wassail!