Just to change the subject completely, I really dont get why so many people - even in his own country! - dont like Maradona. He`s the greatest character ever.
I just turned on ESPN and Seattle is playing L.A. Within a few seconds, I wondered what the hell seems so different? Oh yeah, no fucking vuvuzela’s! Damn it’s refreshing to hear the crowd chant, cheer, and even boo.
What about Suarez’s handball was “within the rules” ?
People forget that we have the letter of the law and the spirit of the law. Just because something was in accordance with the letter of the law does not mean it was necessarily ethical, hence why have interpretation of the courts/higher authorities.
The handball rule I doubt was conceived with the idea that the average player (non-goalie) would punch a ball from going into a goal.
I understand what he did and why, and a part of me wants to admit to some brilliance for doing something like that and sacrificing yourself, but come on, it was so unethical what he did. The punishment for that was not “appropriate”; I don’t think FIFA has a distinct rule for something like that, so the ref just handed out whatever punishment seemed the most fitting.
FIFA needs a goal tending rule.
Landon Donovan is to US Soccer what Wayne Gretzky is to Canadian hockey or just plain ice hockey (prior to 'the trade of '88 -'cuse after that he sucked).
Its weird but I think both are overrated. Altidore is probably the best US player whilst Gretzky proved he needed the best players to win a Stanley Cup (couldn’t do it with Kings whilst Oilers even won without him).
[quote]Mascherano wrote:
I’m better today, altho the World Cup is basically dead to me.
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Typical overly-dramatic South American! Very authentic =P
Honestly, I think Dunga makes Maradona look like a family man. A family man that does lines of coke off the asses of Colombian hookers, but that’s inconsequential detail.
[quote]Gettnitdone wrote:
Landon Donovan is to US Soccer what Wayne Gretzky is to Canadian hockey or just plain ice hockey (prior to 'the trade of '88 -'cuse after that he sucked).
Its weird but I think both are overrated. Altidore is probably the best US player whilst Gretzky proved he needed the best players to win a Stanley Cup (couldn’t do it with Kings whilst Oilers even won without him).[/quote]
What a horrible analogy. Donovan is a Gretzky within the context of the MLS, or as an American player on the US team but on the world stage? It sounds like you meant the MLS, but if so then the analogy is weak: it’s not like the MLS is a pool of brilliant players, so it’s easy for Donovan to stand out. Yes, he’s good, but nowhere near as good as other top international players.
Altidore is great but I think Clint Dempsey does not get the recognition he deserves. The guy is awesome.
[quote]PonceDeLeon wrote:
What about Suarez’s handball was “within the rules” ?
People forget that we have the letter of the law and the spirit of the law. Just because something was in accordance with the letter of the law does not mean it was necessarily ethical, hence why have interpretation of the courts/higher authorities.
The handball rule I doubt was conceived with the idea that the average player (non-goalie) would punch a ball from going into a goal.
I understand what he did and why, and a part of me wants to admit to some brilliance for doing something like that and sacrificing yourself, but come on, it was so unethical what he did. The punishment for that was not “appropriate”; I don’t think FIFA has a distinct rule for something like that, so the ref just handed out whatever punishment seemed the most fitting.
FIFA needs a goal tending rule.[/quote]
Precisely! People are forgetting about the distinction between the letter of the law and the spirit of the law. Sure, he sacrificed his place in the team and accepted the only punishment that the referee could give him but due to his clearly underhanded actions, a deserved goal was denied to Ghana.
[quote]PonceDeLeon wrote:
[quote]Gettnitdone wrote:
Landon Donovan is to US Soccer what Wayne Gretzky is to Canadian hockey or just plain ice hockey (prior to 'the trade of '88 -'cuse after that he sucked).
Its weird but I think both are overrated. Altidore is probably the best US player whilst Gretzky proved he needed the best players to win a Stanley Cup (couldn’t do it with Kings whilst Oilers even won without him).[/quote]
What a horrible analogy. Donovan is a Gretzky within the context of the MLS, or as an American player on the US team but on the world stage? It sounds like you meant the MLS, but if so then the analogy is weak: it’s not like the MLS is a pool of brilliant players, so it’s easy for Donovan to stand out. Yes, he’s good, but nowhere near as good as other top international players.
Altidore is great but I think Clint Dempsey does not get the recognition he deserves. The guy is awesome.[/quote]
Ponce I mean US Soccer the institution as in embodying the meaning of soccer in American culture. Donovan is the face of US Soccer, he’s the one appearing on all the US media.
Lol no way im talking global here. I’m pretty sure no one really cares for Donovan any more than Cha Du Ri from Korea.
[quote]Magicpunch wrote:
[quote]PonceDeLeon wrote:
What about Suarez’s handball was “within the rules” ?
People forget that we have the letter of the law and the spirit of the law. Just because something was in accordance with the letter of the law does not mean it was necessarily ethical, hence why have interpretation of the courts/higher authorities.
The handball rule I doubt was conceived with the idea that the average player (non-goalie) would punch a ball from going into a goal.
I understand what he did and why, and a part of me wants to admit to some brilliance for doing something like that and sacrificing yourself, but come on, it was so unethical what he did. The punishment for that was not “appropriate”; I don’t think FIFA has a distinct rule for something like that, so the ref just handed out whatever punishment seemed the most fitting.
FIFA needs a goal tending rule.[/quote]
Precisely! People are forgetting about the distinction between the letter of the law and the spirit of the law. Sure, he sacrificed his place in the team and accepted the only punishment that the referee could give him but due to his clearly underhanded actions, a deserved goal was denied to Ghana.
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I agree with both of you.
I just have a real REAL problem with people who act out of weakness and celebrate it as if it were a strength.
Don’t be a follower, lead by example.
I don’t follow rules I live by principles.
Males, specially need to learn how to live like this. When you live by the principles of the law, the rules are beneath you - you are a true leader, leading your life by example.
Uruguay is already an object of derision; It was the used as a joke last night on Top Gear.
If Uruguay wins the World Cup no one is going to respect that victory - we will tolerate it but will not respect it. It is and it will be a WWE joke of a win. Sports entertainment, not a serious sport. Then I accept it. Otherwise, no.
Similarly, wives, girlfriends, women never respect a man who behaves as Suarez did, even though these women may benefit from their man “cheating to win”, whether it is to win a sports game or to bring the bacon home.
All of you who have not even been slightly bothered by this blatant display of unethical win and think it is ok to just “play to win” are madly mistaken if you think behind your back your wives, girlfriends and society are not laughing at you and just waiting for you to trip up.
At the end of the day, people want to see a reckoning. A desire for vindication.
The scales of justice dictate it.
Uruguay won the game but they lost the respect of millions and won the desire for their downfall in the future.
Call that a win?
Well done Uruguay, well done.
FIFA ha turned soccer/football into WWE, from where I am watching.
If men/women can play like that so blatantly and be glorified for it, this is not a serious sport.
It’s a circus.
[quote]PonceDeLeon wrote:
[quote]Mascherano wrote:
I’m better today, altho the World Cup is basically dead to me.
[/quote]
Typical overly-dramatic South American! Very authentic =P
Honestly, I think Dunga makes Maradona look like a family man. A family man that does lines of coke off the asses of Colombian hookers, but that’s inconsequential detail.
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This post made me laugh because it is so true on so many levels…
It reminds me specially of myself and my being over dramatic.
BUT I AM FIGHTING FOR JUSTICE.
That the spirit of the law be respected, SO that is OK.
I kill myself…
[quote]Gettnitdone wrote:
Landon Donovan is to US Soccer what Wayne Gretzky is to Canadian hockey or just plain ice hockey (prior to 'the trade of '88 -'cuse after that he sucked).
Its weird but I think both are overrated. Altidore is probably the best US player whilst Gretzky proved he needed the best players to win a Stanley Cup (couldn’t do it with Kings whilst Oilers even won without him).[/quote]
Saying Gretzky is overrated is just nuts. He was undoubtably one of the very best players in history. As far as the Cup is concerned, TEAMS win that, not individual players. No player, however great, is good enough to win it on his own. And Gretzky continued to rewrite the record book while in LA.
As for Suarez, let me just say I will be very upset if Holland doesn’t win tomorrow.
[quote]nrt wrote:
Just to change the subject completely, I really dont get why so many people - even in his own country! - dont like Maradona. He`s the greatest character ever.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2010/jul/04/diego-maradona-argentina-world-cup[/quote]
Because he’s a douche-bag moron who doesn’t know how to train his squad. UGH! Anyways…
I’m still too bitter to post in this thread.
Call me over dramatic all you want! slams fist on table
Are you all serious about FIFA needing to change rules for a deliberate handball on a shot on goal? You get a suspension, sent off, and the opposing team gets a penalty kick. I’ve no problems with what Suarez did, I’d only have a problem with it if the ball had crossed the line. I’m sure any player would do the same in his position, just as his teammate Fucile attempted to block it his hand. Like it or not players are going to take one for the team at this point in the tournament.
[quote]Mascherano wrote:
[quote]nrt wrote:
Just to change the subject completely, I really dont get why so many people - even in his own country! - dont like Maradona. He`s the greatest character ever.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2010/jul/04/diego-maradona-argentina-world-cup[/quote]
Because he’s a douche-bag moron who doesn’t know how to train his squad. UGH! Anyways…
I’m still too bitter to post in this thread.
Call me over dramatic all you want! slams fist on table
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It’s OK, your team was only humiliated. Find solace in knowing Maradona is probably doing cocaine and dancing around a club right now.
The point of the handball rule is for accidentally handling the ball with your hand. Any foul in the box will result in a penalty, but an intentional handball preventing a goal that’s painfully obvious is just poor sportsmanship and should, in my opinion, result in an automatic goal instead of a penalty.
An accidental handball in the box should (and does) result in a penalty anyway.
By playing the game the way Suarez did, you are effectively removing the 100% chance of a goal and making it 50/50, thereby giving your team an advantage by cheating, which is BULLSHIT and clearly not a well thought out rule.
But then again, half the fucking rules FIFA currently enforces are not well thought out anyway…
[quote]RSGZ wrote:
The point of the handball rule is for accidentally handling the ball with your hand. Any foul in the box will result in a penalty, but an intentional handball preventing a goal that’s painfully obvious is just poor sportsmanship and should, in my opinion, result in an automatic goal instead of a penalty.
An accidental handball in the box should (and does) result in a penalty anyway.
By playing the game the way Suarez did, you are effectively removing the 100% chance of a goal and making it 50/50, thereby giving your team an advantage by cheating, which is BULLSHIT and clearly not a well thought out rule.
But then again, half the fucking rules FIFA currently enforces are not well thought out anyway…
[/quote]
By deliberately blocking a goal it’s a red, which is what Suarez was given. The rule is perfectly fair; the player is [red]carded, suspended, and the opposing team gets a penalty kick. Suarez only deliberately committed a foul, a foul isn’t cheating. Cheating would be diving from no contact or using your hand to score a goal.
[quote]goldengloves wrote:
[quote]RSGZ wrote:
The point of the handball rule is for accidentally handling the ball with your hand. Any foul in the box will result in a penalty, but an intentional handball preventing a goal that’s painfully obvious is just poor sportsmanship and should, in my opinion, result in an automatic goal instead of a penalty.
An accidental handball in the box should (and does) result in a penalty anyway.
By playing the game the way Suarez did, you are effectively removing the 100% chance of a goal and making it 50/50, thereby giving your team an advantage by cheating, which is BULLSHIT and clearly not a well thought out rule.
But then again, half the fucking rules FIFA currently enforces are not well thought out anyway…
[/quote]
By deliberately blocking a goal it’s a red, which is what Suarez was given. The rule is perfectly fair; the player is [red]carded, suspended, and the opposing team gets a penalty kick. Suarez only deliberately committed a foul, a foul isn’t cheating. Cheating would be diving from no contact or using your hand to score a goal.[/quote]
So using your hand to stop a goal isn’t cheating, but using it to score a goal is?
As I mentioned before, and no one could comment, what about laying down on the ground for no reason to run the clock out? Thats what ghana did against the USA the second after they scored their goal in OT. They laid on the ground, most of the time not even being touched by a US player. The ref didnt even do anything. The fact that you can just start laying on the field to waste time is idiotic.
What a weasel, pussy move. Thats just one of the reasons soccer is a pussy sport.
[quote]SickAbs wrote:
As I mentioned before, and no one could comment, what about laying down on the ground for no reason to run the clock out? Thats what ghana did against the USA the second after they scored their goal in OT. They laid on the ground, most of the time not even being touched by a US player. The ref didnt even do anything. The fact that you can just start laying on the field to waste time is idiotic.
What a weasel, pussy move. Thats just one of the reasons soccer is a pussy sport. [/quote]
They run out the clock in American football too, the chance of scoring in American football is much higher than football. I suppose only a men who wear spandex would do such a thing.
Unfortunately it’s just a way for the team to drain the clock.
[quote]RSGZ wrote:
[quote]goldengloves wrote:
[quote]RSGZ wrote:
The point of the handball rule is for accidentally handling the ball with your hand. Any foul in the box will result in a penalty, but an intentional handball preventing a goal that’s painfully obvious is just poor sportsmanship and should, in my opinion, result in an automatic goal instead of a penalty.
An accidental handball in the box should (and does) result in a penalty anyway.
By playing the game the way Suarez did, you are effectively removing the 100% chance of a goal and making it 50/50, thereby giving your team an advantage by cheating, which is BULLSHIT and clearly not a well thought out rule.
But then again, half the fucking rules FIFA currently enforces are not well thought out anyway…
[/quote]
By deliberately blocking a goal it’s a red, which is what Suarez was given. The rule is perfectly fair; the player is [red]carded, suspended, and the opposing team gets a penalty kick. Suarez only deliberately committed a foul, a foul isn’t cheating. Cheating would be diving from no contact or using your hand to score a goal.[/quote]
So using your hand to stop a goal isn’t cheating, but using it to score a goal is?[/quote]
Come on now, I believe we both can agree that the “hand of god” is different than the “hand of suarez”. With “the hand of god” there’s no foul, no suspension, and the other team gets no justice… Suarez was sent off, suspended for the next game, and his infringement gave Ghana a one on one chance to score from 12 yards out.
[quote]goldengloves wrote:
[quote]SickAbs wrote:
As I mentioned before, and no one could comment, what about laying down on the ground for no reason to run the clock out? Thats what ghana did against the USA the second after they scored their goal in OT. They laid on the ground, most of the time not even being touched by a US player. The ref didnt even do anything. The fact that you can just start laying on the field to waste time is idiotic.
What a weasel, pussy move. Thats just one of the reasons soccer is a pussy sport. [/quote]
They run out the clock in American football too, the chance of scoring in American football is much higher than football. I suppose only a men who wear spandex would do such a thing.
Unfortunately it’s just a way for the team to drain the clock.
[quote]RSGZ wrote:
[quote]goldengloves wrote:
[quote]RSGZ wrote:
The point of the handball rule is for accidentally handling the ball with your hand. Any foul in the box will result in a penalty, but an intentional handball preventing a goal that’s painfully obvious is just poor sportsmanship and should, in my opinion, result in an automatic goal instead of a penalty.
An accidental handball in the box should (and does) result in a penalty anyway.
By playing the game the way Suarez did, you are effectively removing the 100% chance of a goal and making it 50/50, thereby giving your team an advantage by cheating, which is BULLSHIT and clearly not a well thought out rule.
But then again, half the fucking rules FIFA currently enforces are not well thought out anyway…
[/quote]
By deliberately blocking a goal it’s a red, which is what Suarez was given. The rule is perfectly fair; the player is [red]carded, suspended, and the opposing team gets a penalty kick. Suarez only deliberately committed a foul, a foul isn’t cheating. Cheating would be diving from no contact or using your hand to score a goal.[/quote]
So using your hand to stop a goal isn’t cheating, but using it to score a goal is?[/quote]
Come on now, I believe we both can agree that the “hand of god” is different than the “hand of suarez”. With “the hand of god” there’s no foul, no suspension, and the other team gets no justice… Suarez was sent off, suspended for the next game, and his infringement gave Ghana a one on one chance to score from 12 yards out.
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Youre an idiot. Dont ever compare real football (american) with soccer. Real football they are allotted time outs which stop the clock. No one lays on the field or falls like pussies. When youre on the field in real men football, you are legit hurt. Real football doesnt have 150lb little shits laying on the field crying like babies to cheat their way into not allowing other teams to have opportunities.
haha yeah sickabs thats why its common understanding that nfl players go to the neurologist 10 times a month once they retire.