Woman Sues Google Over Dangerous Directions

Off Topic
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[quote]pushharder wrote:
In case any of yall newbies are wonderin’…I have never ever been wrong on this site. I am the T-Nation gold standard of Right and True. Although there was one time…come to think of it…I thought I was wrong about something…and later it turned out that I was wrong about being wrong.

If you ever see OctoberGirl and I disagreeing about ANYTHING it would be a safe move on your part to automatically dismiss her argument and embrace mine. You simply can’t lose with that approach.

[/quote]

And remember, you always know pushharder’s won an argument with a female poster when he starts sexually objectifying her.

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[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:

[quote]ron22 wrote:

[quote]pushharder wrote:

The next thing you know someone will sue MalevolentMcDonalds because they asked for no catsup or mayo on their Big Mac but MalignantMcDonalds did it anyway. This caused the driver to have greasy, slippery hands in traffic which in turn kept them from having a good grip on the steering wheel which in turn caused the driver to plow their EarthRapingSuburban into a schoolbus full of kids with palsy which in turn ran over a propane tank causing a huge explosion in downtown Peoria, Illinois thus eliciting the suspicion of terrorism and the deaths of dozens of innocent lives.

All because WickedMcDonalds put catsup on a hamburger. Sue them, huh?[/quote]

Jesus, don’t give them any ideas Push…
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Here is the argument I’d make:

  • The old lady was aware of the physical danger of spilling the coffee. This is evident by the fact that she asked for a large cup that wasn’t completely filled (in addition pulling the car over and such).

  • Also given the weight and feel of a full large cup, it’s evident that she was aware that they had
    [/quote]

This is so off topic, but anyway.

Here’s where I think your argument falls apart. These are precautions I take, simply because I don’t want a huge coffee stain on me, or my car. I also ask that the cup isn’t completely filled, so I can actually put some god damn cream and sugar in it (God, that drives me nuts when it’s filled to the brim!).

I would never ever expect coffee to be so hot, it would cause third degree burns, and these aren’t actions that indicate she was aware of it either.

[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:

  • Given both of those facts, her decision to go ahead and open the full cup of coffee becomes entirely her responsibility.
    [/quote]

Cleaning a coffee stain on her clothes or her car is her responsibility. Sure. :wink:

[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:

  • In closing she was obviously entirely aware of the dangers involved in hot coffee, and McD should not be responsible for injuries of someone who willingly and knowingly risked being burned simply because they messed up a specialty order.
    [/quote]

I don’t think it’s reasonable for one to expect coffee so hot that spilling it could cause third degree burns, without prior explicit warning. Remember, their coffee was kept unusually hot.

[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
It’s essentially like a guy who is allergic to pickles telling them no pickles, getting a burger with pickles, seeing the pickles, and then eating it anyway. She knew that the coffee could burn her and that the cup was full and decided to remove the lid anyway.[/quote]

I don’t think she knew the coffee would burn her.

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Coffee at that temp. causes 3rd degree burns within 2-7 seconds! I’ve spilled coffee on myself before and did NOT get 3rd degree burns.

Plus there is no way she could have been able to tell how hot that coffee was through a styrofoam cup. They’re meant to insulate!

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[quote]LankEyMofo wrote:
Coffee at that temp. causes 3rd degree burns within 2-7 seconds! [/quote]

This is what I always go back to. Yes, coffee is hot. Yes, we all know that. But to have coffee so hot that you need fucking SKIN GRAFTS for a spill is beyond.

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[quote]pushmepullme wrote:

[quote]LankEyMofo wrote:
Coffee at that temp. causes 3rd degree burns within 2-7 seconds! [/quote]

This is what I always go back to. Yes, coffee is hot. Yes, we all know that. But to have coffee so hot that you need fucking SKIN GRAFTS for a spill is beyond.
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Take a normal pot of coffee off a comercial burner and pour it in your lap.

It would surprise you to get serious burns?

How about take a freshly cooked pot of chili and stick your hand in it. Or go cook a turkey, cut it open, and shove your hand in that. Or cook a pan of lasagna and dump it in your lap.

Would it surprise you to get serious burns from these. Hell, mexican restaurants serve plates that are hot enough to cause serious burns.

Restaurants everywhere serve food that initially is “unfit for consumption”.

You guys are talking about this like its some miraculous thing that hot food burns. Food hot enough to cause serious burns is an everyday occurrence. A reasonable person is aware of this.

Oh garsh, coffee, hot, coffee burn. Seriously?

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[quote]goochadamg wrote:

[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:

[quote]ron22 wrote:

[quote]pushharder wrote:

The next thing you know someone will sue MalevolentMcDonalds because they asked for no catsup or mayo on their Big Mac but MalignantMcDonalds did it anyway. This caused the driver to have greasy, slippery hands in traffic which in turn kept them from having a good grip on the steering wheel which in turn caused the driver to plow their EarthRapingSuburban into a schoolbus full of kids with palsy which in turn ran over a propane tank causing a huge explosion in downtown Peoria, Illinois thus eliciting the suspicion of terrorism and the deaths of dozens of innocent lives.

All because WickedMcDonalds put catsup on a hamburger. Sue them, huh?[/quote]

Jesus, don’t give them any ideas Push…
[/quote]

Here is the argument I’d make:

  • The old lady was aware of the physical danger of spilling the coffee. This is evident by the fact that she asked for a large cup that wasn’t completely filled (in addition pulling the car over and such).

  • Also given the weight and feel of a full large cup, it’s evident that she was aware that they had
    [/quote]

This is so off topic, but anyway.

Here’s where I think your argument falls apart. These are precautions I take, simply because I don’t want a huge coffee stain on me, or my car. I also ask that the cup isn’t completely filled, so I can actually put some god damn cream and sugar in it (God, that drives me nuts when it’s filled to the brim!).

I would never ever expect coffee to be so hot, it would cause third degree burns, and these aren’t actions that indicate she was aware of it either.

[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:

  • Given both of those facts, her decision to go ahead and open the full cup of coffee becomes entirely her responsibility.
    [/quote]

Cleaning a coffee stain on her clothes or her car is her responsibility. Sure. :wink:

[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:

  • In closing she was obviously entirely aware of the dangers involved in hot coffee, and McD should not be responsible for injuries of someone who willingly and knowingly risked being burned simply because they messed up a specialty order.
    [/quote]

I don’t think it’s reasonable for one to expect coffee so hot that spilling it could cause third degree burns, without prior explicit warning. Remember, their coffee was kept unusually hot.

[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
It’s essentially like a guy who is allergic to pickles telling them no pickles, getting a burger with pickles, seeing the pickles, and then eating it anyway. She knew that the coffee could burn her and that the cup was full and decided to remove the lid anyway.[/quote]

I don’t think she knew the coffee would burn her.[/quote]

PWi is about being off topic.

Really? that’s your argument?

She asked for it half full for purposes of cream and sugar? she had the guy pull over and stop, because she didn’t want to stain something?

That’s a huge load of BS and you know it.

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^ You’re COMPLETELY IGNORING the FACT that McD’s coffee was served at MUCH higher temps than everywhere else.

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[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:

[quote]pushmepullme wrote:

[quote]LankEyMofo wrote:
Coffee at that temp. causes 3rd degree burns within 2-7 seconds! [/quote]

This is what I always go back to. Yes, coffee is hot. Yes, we all know that. But to have coffee so hot that you need fucking SKIN GRAFTS for a spill is beyond.
[/quote]

Take a normal pot of coffee off a comercial burner and pour it in your lap.

It would surprise you to get serious burns?

How about take a freshly cooked pot of chili and stick your hand in it. Or go cook a turkey, cut it open, and shove your hand in that. Or cook a pan of lasagna and dump it in your lap.

Would it surprise you to get serious burns from these. Hell, mexican restaurants serve plates that are hot enough to cause serious burns.

Restaurants everywhere serve food that initially is “unfit for consumption”.

You guys are talking about this like its some miraculous thing that hot food burns. Food hot enough to cause serious burns is an everyday occurrence. A reasonable person is aware of this.

Oh garsh, coffee, hot, coffee burn. Seriously?[/quote]

3rd degree burn.

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BTW, just to clarify, I’m not saying this should have been a multi million dollar lawsuit, I’m just saying that I believe McD’s had SOME responsibility for what happened.

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[quote]LankEyMofo wrote:
BTW, just to clarify, I’m not saying this should have been a multi million dollar lawsuit, I’m just saying that I believe McD’s had SOME responsibility for what happened. [/quote]

I don’t think anyone here who is “pro Stella” is saying anything different.

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[quote]pushmepullme wrote:

[quote]LankyMofo wrote:
BTW, just to clarify, I’m not saying this should have been a multi million dollar lawsuit, I’m just saying that I believe McD’s had SOME responsibility for what happened. [/quote]

I don’t think anyone here who is “pro Stella” is saying anything different.[/quote]

I also think Push and DD don’t inherently disagree but simply enjoy playing devil’s advocate.

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For those of you that are so “amazed” at 165 deg food, please take a look at this standard meat temperature chart.

Ever eaten poultry, or well done beef? Some food even requires it to be prepared hotter than that.

165 deg AND UP food is an entirely reasonable EVERY DAY occurrence.

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[quote]pushmepullme wrote:

[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:

[quote]pushmepullme wrote:

[quote]LankEyMofo wrote:
Coffee at that temp. causes 3rd degree burns within 2-7 seconds! [/quote]

This is what I always go back to. Yes, coffee is hot. Yes, we all know that. But to have coffee so hot that you need fucking SKIN GRAFTS for a spill is beyond.
[/quote]

Take a normal pot of coffee off a comercial burner and pour it in your lap.

It would surprise you to get serious burns?

How about take a freshly cooked pot of chili and stick your hand in it. Or go cook a turkey, cut it open, and shove your hand in that. Or cook a pan of lasagna and dump it in your lap.

Would it surprise you to get serious burns from these. Hell, mexican restaurants serve plates that are hot enough to cause serious burns.

Restaurants everywhere serve food that initially is “unfit for consumption”.

You guys are talking about this like its some miraculous thing that hot food burns. Food hot enough to cause serious burns is an everyday occurrence. A reasonable person is aware of this.

Oh garsh, coffee, hot, coffee burn. Seriously?[/quote]

3rd degree burn.[/quote]

Looks like my poison ivy incident.

I never said it wasn’t a bad burn, just that adults deal with things which can do that daily.

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[quote]LankEyMofo wrote:

[quote]pushmepullme wrote:

[quote]LankEyMofo wrote:
BTW, just to clarify, I’m not saying this should have been a multi million dollar lawsuit, I’m just saying that I believe McD’s had SOME responsibility for what happened. [/quote]

I don’t think anyone here who is “pro Stella” is saying anything different.[/quote]

I also think Push and DD don’t inherently disagree but simply enjoy playing devil’s advocate.

[/quote]

I think you’re probably right.

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[quote]pushmepullme wrote:

[quote]LankEyMofo wrote:

[quote]pushmepullme wrote:

[quote]LankEyMofo wrote:
BTW, just to clarify, I’m not saying this should have been a multi million dollar lawsuit, I’m just saying that I believe McD’s had SOME responsibility for what happened. [/quote]

I don’t think anyone here who is “pro Stella” is saying anything different.[/quote]

I also think Push and DD don’t inherently disagree but simply enjoy playing devil’s advocate.

[/quote]

I think you’re probably right.[/quote]

NOOOOOOO! There on to me… time to dine and dash.

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Does this story remind anyone else of when Michael Scott from the Office drives into the lake because his GPS tells him to?

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[quote]pushmepullme wrote:

[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:

[quote]pushmepullme wrote:

[quote]LankEyMofo wrote:
Coffee at that temp. causes 3rd degree burns within 2-7 seconds! [/quote]

This is what I always go back to. Yes, coffee is hot. Yes, we all know that. But to have coffee so hot that you need fucking SKIN GRAFTS for a spill is beyond.
[/quote]

Take a normal pot of coffee off a comercial burner and pour it in your lap.

It would surprise you to get serious burns?

How about take a freshly cooked pot of chili and stick your hand in it. Or go cook a turkey, cut it open, and shove your hand in that. Or cook a pan of lasagna and dump it in your lap.

Would it surprise you to get serious burns from these. Hell, mexican restaurants serve plates that are hot enough to cause serious burns.

Restaurants everywhere serve food that initially is “unfit for consumption”.

You guys are talking about this like its some miraculous thing that hot food burns. Food hot enough to cause serious burns is an everyday occurrence. A reasonable person is aware of this.

Oh garsh, coffee, hot, coffee burn. Seriously?[/quote]

3rd degree burn.[/quote]
Wrong. untreated herpes.

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Wow, we’re still debating my bad example. I think that despite the case referenced being about coffee that may or may not have been hot, we can ALL agree that people sue in this country FAR more than anywhere else. Here’s a few BETTER references:

Woman bough a motor home, started driving on the highway, set the cruise control, and went back to make herself a sammich! When the motor home crashed, she sued because she was not specifically told she had to stay in the seat and steer. She sued and won $1,750,000.00 and a new motor home.

Woman fell from the window of the woman’s bathroom to the floor chipping two of her teeth while trying to sneak into a nightclub and avoid the $3.50 cover charge. She sued and won $12,000.00 as well as dental work.

Woman in a restaurant slipped on a spilled soft drink and broke her tail bone. She sued the restaurant and won $113,500.00. (oh yeah, SHE threw the soft drink at her boyfriend during an argument 30 sec before she fell)

There’s a few more on this site, but I thought these were the worst: http://www.gather.com/viewArticle.action?articleId=281474977221219

There’s no problem with tort law. Really.

I’ve had people try to sue me for damages (lost EMD) for their loans not closing, when they didn’t get me the required documentation to do the loan. (even though I asked for it about a hundred times)

I had a former tenant sue me for his loss of furniture after I evicted him and he failed to pick it up for more than 30 days and I put it on the corner.

Fucking people…

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Yeah I don’t think anyone’s arguing with your assertion, AC. It’s just more fun to debate a lawsuit when there are actually 2 sides worth arguing about.