Oh, and for the record, I really think that this forum gets a bad rap from people who don’t spend most of their time here and understand how it works (I’m not necessarily directing this at you, OG, and mean no offense by it).
Threads like this arise as a result of a certain type of poster. There are different general personalities, but two points are inevitably the same:
The OP has done little to zero research. Usually the latter.
He comes here with a sense of entitlement to that which he has done absolutely nothing to deserve and, when he does not receive what he expects, he either attacks like a wounded dog, or, as in the current case, he yelps and whines and drags his butt on the carpet like a pathetic one.
Bonus. The OP almost inevitably has a post count under 10 and a join date less than a month old (see above).
A couple of days spent poking through the threads around here will quickly reveal that threads like this are only notorious here because, by their very nature, they attract attention and interest, for much the same reason that the Jerry Springer show was so popular for so long. This is a lot more entertaining to read, and easier to jump in on, than a discussion of the solubility of different esters in a given carrier oil, so it stays bumped to the top of the forum, generating attention.
Most of the threads on this forum don’t really last that long, and they quickly get kicked down the page by fodder more suitable to the crowd. Again, though, I will bet anyone on this board that I can bring up more examples of genuinely helpful threads in the last week here than threads of this nature. I’m game if you want to start posting up links.
We’ve got a pretty good place here, and the community works in this fashion for a reason, because it works. And yes, even I get called out (pretty good sometimes, BBB and Brook! by the vets here. The difference in those threads and this one is the response that follows, NOT the initial response.
[quote]Cortes wrote:
Oh, and for the record, I really think that this forum gets a bad rap from people who don’t spend most of their time here and understand how it works (I’m not necessarily directing this at you, OG, and mean no offense by it).
Threads like this arise as a result of a certain type of poster. There are different general personalities, but two points are inevitably the same:
The OP has done little to zero research. Usually the latter.
He comes here with a sense of entitlement to that which he has done absolutely nothing to deserve and, when he does not receive what he expects, he either attacks like a wounded dog, or, as in the current case, he yelps and whines and drags his butt on the carpet like a pathetic one.
Bonus. The OP almost inevitably has a post count under 10 and a join date less than a month old (see above).
A couple of days spent poking through the threads around here will quickly reveal that threads like this are only notorious here because, by their very nature, they attract attention and interest, for much the same reason that the Jerry Springer show was so popular for so long. This is a lot more entertaining to read, and easier to jump in on, than a discussion of the solubility of different esters in a given carrier oil, so it stays bumped to the top of the forum, generating attention.
Most of the threads on this forum don’t really last that long, and they quickly get kicked down the page by fodder more suitable to the crowd. Again, though, I will bet anyone on this board that I can bring up more examples of genuinely helpful threads in the last week here than threads of this nature. I’m game if you want to start posting up links.
We’ve got a pretty good place here, and the community works in this fashion for a reason, because it works. And yes, even I get called out (pretty good sometimes, BBB and Brook! by the vets here. The difference in those threads and this one is the response that follows, NOT the initial response.[/quote]
This post makes this thread worth reading. You said it nicely.
[quote]Cortes wrote:
Oh, and for the record, I really think that this forum gets a bad rap from people who don’t spend most of their time here and understand how it works (I’m not necessarily directing this at you, OG, and mean no offense by it).
Threads like this arise as a result of a certain type of poster. There are different general personalities, but two points are inevitably the same:
The OP has done little to zero research. Usually the latter.
He comes here with a sense of entitlement to that which he has done absolutely nothing to deserve and, when he does not receive what he expects, he either attacks like a wounded dog, or, as in the current case, he yelps and whines and drags his butt on the carpet like a pathetic one.
Bonus. The OP almost inevitably has a post count under 10 and a join date less than a month old (see above).
A couple of days spent poking through the threads around here will quickly reveal that threads like this are only notorious here because, by their very nature, they attract attention and interest, for much the same reason that the Jerry Springer show was so popular for so long. This is a lot more entertaining to read, and easier to jump in on, than a discussion of the solubility of different esters in a given carrier oil, so it stays bumped to the top of the forum, generating attention.
Most of the threads on this forum don’t really last that long, and they quickly get kicked down the page by fodder more suitable to the crowd. Again, though, I will bet anyone on this board that I can bring up more examples of genuinely helpful threads in the last week here than threads of this nature. I’m game if you want to start posting up links.
We’ve got a pretty good place here, and the community works in this fashion for a reason, because it works. And yes, even I get called out (pretty good sometimes, BBB and Brook! by the vets here. The difference in those threads and this one is the response that follows, NOT the initial response.[/quote]
I don’t know about the OP but I found this thread very helpful.
thanks guys
I didn’t even know you had that thread about doing the V-Diet while on AAS and I hadn’t actually looked to see how much great information you do have stickied.
you guys were much more polite than I deserved in how you brought it all to my attention!
As for doping in sport argument… sure Ben Johnson was caught with Stanazolol in his blood,[/quote]
Small detail, but they do not do blood tests on Olympic athletes (or most, or perhaps all, others.) It is considered too invasive. Rather they rely on a urine test.
Charlie Francis, who was Johnson’s trainer, makes an interesting claim that ONLY stanozolol was found in the urine. Not any of the metabolites that would inevitably be present if stanozolol had been taken.
Just an interesting point. I have no other corroborating information as to whether the urine test really did have only stanozolol and no metabolites.
Anyway, it is an assumption that this dose of stanozolol would be much suppressive.
For example, probably most on the board would think that 50 mg/day Dianabol would have to be suppressive, but there was a study done which found no LH suppression. This was with single-dosing, most probably in the morning. Many have tried the morning-only protocol with Dianabol and found T levels to remain normal.
As for stanozolol, I don’t know of an experiment on that. I did do a consult for a stage actor once who needed no muscle mass gain but needed help with being pretty ripped (I don’t recall now but at the very least his shirt was off for part of the play) and we settled on injected Winstrol 50 mg every other day. He maintained normal testosterone with that and was very pleased with the results, for his goal.
Of course that is just one case. But I would not assume that low dose oral Winstrol must put natural testosterone in the toilet.
by the vets here. The difference in those threads and this one is the response that follows, NOT the initial response.