Also Pitt, I was born and raised in California…I still have many friends there, they say the state is going down and nobody seems to care.
There is the attitude that the government is going to bail everybody out.
Sound familiar?
MASS is the best state for a new economy
http://econpost.com/business/best-states-new-economy
not AZ or UT , Massachusetts is by all standards a bastion of Liberal values , Fuck they have their own Health care 
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
MASS is the best state for a new economy
http://econpost.com/business/best-states-new-economy
not AZ or UT , Massachusetts is by all standards a bastion of Liberal values , Fuck they have their own Health care :)[/quote]
If you are moving a 500,000sqf manufacturing facility you are going to go UT or AZ not Mass.
High tech and financials are of course going to concentrate on the I-95 belt.
[quote]UtahLama wrote:
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
MASS is the best state for a new economy
http://econpost.com/business/best-states-new-economy
not AZ or UT , Massachusetts is by all standards a bastion of Liberal values , Fuck they have their own Health care :)[/quote]
If you are moving a 500,000sqf manufacturing facility you are going to go UT or AZ not Mass.
High tech and financials are of course going to concentrate on the I-95 belt.[/quote]
Says who? I would say they are going to Mexico , China or India because our tax code probably incentivises it
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
[quote]UtahLama wrote:
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
MASS is the best state for a new economy
http://econpost.com/business/best-states-new-economy
not AZ or UT , Massachusetts is by all standards a bastion of Liberal values , Fuck they have their own Health care :)[/quote]
If you are moving a 500,000sqf manufacturing facility you are going to go UT or AZ not Mass.
High tech and financials are of course going to concentrate on the I-95 belt.[/quote]
Says who? I would say they are going to Mexico , China or India because our tax code probably incentivises it
[/quote]
Or it could be because the wages are tiny compared to ours.
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
Massachusetts is by all standards a bastion of Liberal values [/quote]
Yes and no.
How people vote and how they act day-to-day around here are two different things.
It is like a badge of honor to vote for a drunk Dem around here, even if you live your life completely differnt.
I mean Boston is the most racist area on Earth, which is no suprise it is dark, dark blue in every election.
Pittbull, the types of jobs being talked about in that article are probably not going to be filled by people who are currently supporting families on minimum wage. The article also does not seem to be claiming Massachusetts has the top economy, but rather that it,“retains the top spot of states well positioned to compete in the new economy.”
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
'm obvi simplifying but here goes:
Lets not forget that $1 increase in wage typically costs the employer $1.30.
So say I employ 10 people at 2000 hours for $7 an hour. Total cost to me of 182K a year. Now the government tells me I have to pay them $9 total costs now 234k a year, 52k more a year with a zero increase in productivity or value.
My options:
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I’m a good business man so I operate on the margins. So in order to maintain (not even grow, just maintain) year over year I have to add 52k to my prices. So that means the market would have to otherwise call for a 52,001 a year increase in what it is willing to pay for me to make $1 more in profit year over year.
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Fire two people so my new costs are only a 5k increase year over year. This involves me asking 8 people to do the work of 10, for more money than they are worth… They will want raises (Ignoring small increases in overhead that come with firing people.)
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Allow the additional 52k in costs to give my bottom line a haircut. Well the bank won’t like this, and it brings the overall value of my company down, effects ability to grow. Can’t hire more people without growth.
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I can take 52k less in my salary. Which means I can take home less to my family, all while putting in the same hours, risking the same amount and doing the same amount of work for significantly less money. Um yeah, everyone wants everyone else to do this, and aren’t willing to do it themselves…[/quote]
spot on.
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
[quote]UtahLama wrote:
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
[quote]UtahLama wrote:
[quote]MaximusB wrote:
San Francisco has the highest minimum wage, while the state enjoys the highest poverty rate and worst business climate in the nation. [/quote]
It illustrates Pitt’s point perfectly…all your businesses leave the place with the higher cost and come to places like Utah who have a friendly business environment.
But jee guys, what if the U.S. stops being a friendly business environment…where will the business go?
I wonder.[/quote]
click on economy , wiki has a differing opinion
[/quote]
Pitt, we have businesses and wealthy folks moving here from Cali every year…your liberal utopia is driving them out in droves. The state economy is in the shitter.
Business will go where the grass is greener, and soon with the policies we are enacting the U.S. is gonna be one big brown field.
[/quote]
so do we and I bet they have business moving from UT and AZ to Cali all the time also
[/quote]
Not really, and by the way about your wiki link, my wiki link says your use of a wiki link is dumb.
[quote]Brother Chris wrote:
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
[quote]UtahLama wrote:
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
[quote]UtahLama wrote:
[quote]MaximusB wrote:
San Francisco has the highest minimum wage, while the state enjoys the highest poverty rate and worst business climate in the nation. [/quote]
It illustrates Pitt’s point perfectly…all your businesses leave the place with the higher cost and come to places like Utah who have a friendly business environment.
But jee guys, what if the U.S. stops being a friendly business environment…where will the business go?
I wonder.[/quote]
click on economy , wiki has a differing opinion
[/quote]
Pitt, we have businesses and wealthy folks moving here from Cali every year…your liberal utopia is driving them out in droves. The state economy is in the shitter.
Business will go where the grass is greener, and soon with the policies we are enacting the U.S. is gonna be one big brown field.
[/quote]
so do we and I bet they have business moving from UT and AZ to Cali all the time also
[/quote]
Not really, and by the way about your wiki link, my wiki link says your use of a wiki link is dumb.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._states_by_poverty_rate[/quote]
lol
[quote]Brother Chris wrote:
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
[quote]UtahLama wrote:
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
[quote]UtahLama wrote:
[quote]MaximusB wrote:
San Francisco has the highest minimum wage, while the state enjoys the highest poverty rate and worst business climate in the nation. [/quote]
It illustrates Pitt’s point perfectly…all your businesses leave the place with the higher cost and come to places like Utah who have a friendly business environment.
But jee guys, what if the U.S. stops being a friendly business environment…where will the business go?
I wonder.[/quote]
click on economy , wiki has a differing opinion
[/quote]
Pitt, we have businesses and wealthy folks moving here from Cali every year…your liberal utopia is driving them out in droves. The state economy is in the shitter.
Business will go where the grass is greener, and soon with the policies we are enacting the U.S. is gonna be one big brown field.
[/quote]
so do we and I bet they have business moving from UT and AZ to Cali all the time also
[/quote]
Not really, and by the way about your wiki link, my wiki link says your use of a wiki link is dumb.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._states_by_poverty_rate[/quote]
I think you are looking at it backwards , it seems to me the states listed with the highest poverty rate are ate the bottom of the page , not the top . Funny you bring this up the more conservative states seem to be at the bottom AZ 42 TX 46 with cali at 35
1 Utah
2 Virginia
3 North Dakota
4 North Carolina
5 Colorado
6 Nebraska
7 Texas
9 Oklahoma
10 Iowa
http://www.cnbc.com/id/46414199
2012 OVERALL RANKINGS
Top Five
- Texas
- Utah
- Viginia
- North Carolina
- North Dakota
Bottom Five
50. Rhode Island
49. Hawaii
48. West Virginia
47. Alaska
46. Mississippi
[quote]doogie wrote:
http://www.cnbc.com/id/46414199
2012 OVERALL RANKINGS
Top Five
- Texas
- Utah
- Viginia
- North Carolina
- North Dakota
Bottom Five
50. Rhode Island
49. Hawaii
48. West Virginia
47. Alaska
46. Mississippi[/quote]
The last post @ Wikipedia was about poverty . I personally see states are business friendly tend to be less friendly to labor and the working class which translates into poverty.
North Dakota has a comparable population to the city I live in easy to employe that many people especially when you have a vast reserve of tar sands
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
[quote]Brother Chris wrote:
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
[quote]UtahLama wrote:
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
[quote]UtahLama wrote:
[quote]MaximusB wrote:
San Francisco has the highest minimum wage, while the state enjoys the highest poverty rate and worst business climate in the nation. [/quote]
It illustrates Pitt’s point perfectly…all your businesses leave the place with the higher cost and come to places like Utah who have a friendly business environment.
But jee guys, what if the U.S. stops being a friendly business environment…where will the business go?
I wonder.[/quote]
click on economy , wiki has a differing opinion
[/quote]
Pitt, we have businesses and wealthy folks moving here from Cali every year…your liberal utopia is driving them out in droves. The state economy is in the shitter.
Business will go where the grass is greener, and soon with the policies we are enacting the U.S. is gonna be one big brown field.
[/quote]
so do we and I bet they have business moving from UT and AZ to Cali all the time also
[/quote]
Not really, and by the way about your wiki link, my wiki link says your use of a wiki link is dumb.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._states_by_poverty_rate[/quote]
I think you are looking at it backwards , it seems to me the states listed with the highest poverty rate are ate the bottom of the page , not the top . Funny you bring this up the more conservative states seem to be at the bottom AZ 42 TX 46 with cali at 35
[/quote]
ever heard of a confounding variable?
[quote]cubuff2028 wrote:
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
[quote]Brother Chris wrote:
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
[quote]UtahLama wrote:
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
[quote]UtahLama wrote:
[quote]MaximusB wrote:
San Francisco has the highest minimum wage, while the state enjoys the highest poverty rate and worst business climate in the nation. [/quote]
It illustrates Pitt’s point perfectly…all your businesses leave the place with the higher cost and come to places like Utah who have a friendly business environment.
But jee guys, what if the U.S. stops being a friendly business environment…where will the business go?
I wonder.[/quote]
click on economy , wiki has a differing opinion
[/quote]
Pitt, we have businesses and wealthy folks moving here from Cali every year…your liberal utopia is driving them out in droves. The state economy is in the shitter.
Business will go where the grass is greener, and soon with the policies we are enacting the U.S. is gonna be one big brown field.
[/quote]
so do we and I bet they have business moving from UT and AZ to Cali all the time also
[/quote]
Not really, and by the way about your wiki link, my wiki link says your use of a wiki link is dumb.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._states_by_poverty_rate[/quote]
I think you are looking at it backwards , it seems to me the states listed with the highest poverty rate are ate the bottom of the page , not the top . Funny you bring this up the more conservative states seem to be at the bottom AZ 42 TX 46 with cali at 35
[/quote]
ever heard of a confounding variable? [/quote]
explain it to me and by the way he read that chart wrong
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
[quote]MaximusB wrote:
San Francisco has the highest minimum wage, while the state enjoys the highest poverty rate and worst business climate in the nation. [/quote]
Wikipedia disagrees with you Maxi[/quote]
Wiki don’t live here, and Wiki doesn’t see the quantum level fuckery that goes on here.
This state uses “creative accounting” to fill budget gaps, and lie about nearly all business and economy statistics.
As of Nov 2012, California has the highest poverty rate…
California’s 23.5 percent poverty rate under the “supplemental poverty measure” (SPM) developed by the Census Bureau is approached only by the 23.2 percent rate in the District of Columbia. The highest SPM rate in any other state is Florida’s 19.5 percent.
I know this article mentions Washington SC having a similar poverty rate, but keep in mind you are comparing California (population 38 million) to Washington DC (population 600,000)
@ Maximus
Cali has some huge pockets of poverty. I have been to San Francisco I didn’t see any poverty . Looked like College and Yuppies . Now Oakland is a little different The Bay area is the second largest populace in Cali and may be in the country .
The only place I can see that competes with Los Angeles area or the Bay area is the area around Chicago . It runs from Milwaukee WI , Chicago ILL to Gary IN . The area around NYC is pretty large and encompasses several states as well. BUT LA and the Bay Area are both in the same state . Do you get my point ?
Cali is fucking huge and is densely populated
[quote]doogie wrote:
http://www.cnbc.com/id/46414199
2012 OVERALL RANKINGS
Top Five
- Texas
- Utah
- Viginia
- North Carolina
- North Dakota
Bottom Five
50. Rhode Island
49. Hawaii
48. West Virginia
47. Alaska
46. Mississippi[/quote]
3/5 ultra conservative and business friendly states…imagine that.