[quote]optheta wrote:
Wikileaks is amazing, x100 better then ANY NEWS OUTLET. It releases information it that has been verified and scrutinized to the teeth before being released.
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Utter batshit
[quote]SexMachine wrote:
I’d like to see him executed for treason…seriously. A direct quote from Jules: what about the people who are murdered for talking to the coalition forces? They deserve to die.
And good luck promoting freedom of the press in Ecuador and Russia you vile fucking worm![/quote]
We agree my friend. These naive idealists do not understand that bad things must sometimes be done for very good reasons. The ends often justify the means.
[quote]Bismark wrote:
[quote]SexMachine wrote:
I’d like to see him executed for treason…seriously. A direct quote from Jules: what about the people who are murdered for talking to the coalition forces? They deserve to die.
And good luck promoting freedom of the press in Ecuador and Russia you vile fucking worm![/quote]
We agree my friend. These naive idealists do not understand that bad things must sometimes be done for very good reasons. The ends often justify the means.[/quote]
You could use this same reasoning as a defense for WikiLeaks.
[quote]SexMachine wrote:
I’d like to see him executed for treason…seriously. A direct quote from Jules: what about the people who are murdered for talking to the coalition forces? They deserve to die.
And good luck promoting freedom of the press in Ecuador and Russia you vile fucking worm![/quote]
Should Daniel Ellsburg have been executed? Where did this quote come from? Do you think we have a free press in the U.S.?
I’m not a judge but he certainly should have been prosecuted for espioage
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Where did this quote come from? Do you think we have a free press in the U.S.?[/quote]
[/ quote] don’t care. I already know it’s been taken over by radical leftist a, agitators, socialists, deviants and malcontents.
[quote]Zeppelin795 wrote:
[quote]SexMachine wrote:
I’d like to see him executed for treason…seriously. A direct quote from Jules: what about the people who are murdered for talking to the coalition forces? They deserve to die.
And good luck promoting freedom of the press in Ecuador and Russia you vile fucking worm![/quote]
Should Daniel Ellsburg have been executed? Where did this quote come from? Do you think we have a free press in the U.S.?[/quote]
Obviously. They’re free to do what ever they want as long as they don’t offend sponsors, readers, special interest groups, certain political parties…
Ahhaahahaha! I kill me sometimes!
[quote]SexMachine wrote:
I’m not a judge but he certainly should have been prosecuted for espioage
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What he did helped to end the Vietnam war and show the lies by the U.S. government and military-industrial complex. But in your astute mind and keen observation he should have been prosecuted for espionage? Gawd no wonder this country is on a downward slide. The quote by Assange was most likely taken out of context or completely made up. It may have came from the same source as the made up sexual charge.
Where did this quote come from? Do you think we have a free press in the U.S.?[/quote]
[/ quote] don’t care. I already know it’s been taken over by radical leftist a, agitators, socialists, deviants and malcontents.[/quote]
[quote]SkyzykS wrote:
[quote]Zeppelin795 wrote:
[quote]SexMachine wrote:
I’d like to see him executed for treason…seriously. A direct quote from Jules: what about the people who are murdered for talking to the coalition forces? They deserve to die.
And good luck promoting freedom of the press in Ecuador and Russia you vile fucking worm![/quote]
Should Daniel Ellsburg have been executed? Where did this quote come from? Do you think we have a free press in the U.S.?[/quote]
Obviously. They’re free to do what ever they want as long as they don’t offend sponsors, readers, special
interest groups, certain political parties…
You forgot to be more specific. You forgot to add those who own the press.
Ahhaahahaha! I kill me sometimes!
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All of the things we are worried about are true.
The market isn’t fee. It’s monopolized and controlled by corporations who have revolving door policies. They make rules to their benefit which allows for better predictions and control over the Market. Watch how people invest, and compare it to what they say. Remember when Goldman was saying to not invest in gold lol? Find out who’s investing in what, you will find it interesting. Follow the investments, you may not be able to track them immediately but if you watch how politicians and policymakers invest, you don’t need a business or econ major. Just watch what they do. I know hedge fund guys who make a living this way. Only thing they can’t seem to do is stop the market from crashing, which it will do again after the can is kicked down the road a few more times too often. There are plenty that are predicting another crash… Keynesian economics vs. Austrain economics. When things fail they leave a hole in their wake, and others with superior survivability will fill that void. It needs to happen, we cant keep bailing corporations out. It’s like putting a person on life support, they are going to fucking die, death is natural in business and nature.
Obama, Hillary, Dems- How many promises are they going to make this time around? Close gitmo, tax the Koch brothers, end surveillance on it’s own citizens? Never held accountable for their promises. Never gone after with the same energy that you go after repubs when your very politicians do the exact same shit. Wake up.
Koch brothers and the Repubs- What the fuck is up with these fake ass extremist libertarias? If there is a crisis in the oceans and we are only supposed to catch a certain amount of specific species of fish, and the fisherman catches a couple more than he is supposed to so that he can make a bigger profit, he still sees the immediate benefit of catching those extra fish, but it’s at everyone’s expense in the long run. You guys keep doing this, acting like there are infinite resources and the idea that your very freedom is attached to your ability to exploit things that aren’t infinite is going to run us to the ground. Grow up.
I love Wikileaks. Assange is a figurehead, not a leader. Freedom of information is vital to our survival. Where was the actual harm? Can you point to a body count?
[quote]Aragorn wrote:
To add to what Chushin said, he also didn’t redact the names of people who could have gotten fired, hurt or killed because of these and other releases. [/quote]
In defence of Chu, the names unredacted had already been released by the largest selling newspapers in the world - NYT, Guardian, Das Spiel etc. He also made an attempt to redact the names which none of these papers or even the US government did (Jules requested they help him redact names and they refused.)
I find it beyond the probability that some sheik in Yemen who has had access to these names for ages would suddenly discover the same name on a bodybuilding forum and arrange killing.
[quote]AceRock wrote:
I love Wikileaks.
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That tells me a great deal about your level of judgement
No assange is a convicted criminal hacker, traitor, liar and rapist.
You offer no explanation for this. Let me give you an example. The Nazis new for years that Britain and the US were going to open a second front across the channel and engaged in extensive preparations to repel it. England engaged in extensive preparations to prevent the Nazis from finding out where and when the landings would take place.
They went to the trouble of faking landing maps, placing them on dead bodies and floating them ashore to Spain where they knew they would be handed over to the Nazis. They built fake inflatable tanks by the thousands and arranged them opposite Calais to convince the Nazis the landings would take place there. They moved divisional sized forces to the same area and set up fake field hospitals, resupply depots etc.
All this was aimed at convincing the Nazis that the second front would arrive in the Calais area. It worked. The best armoured divisions were stationed in that area and the Normandy landings were largely unopposed. Even when reported they were not believed and the Panza divisions in the Calais area were not sent until a large bridgehead was established.
My question to you is what benefit would it have been to inform the world and therefore the Nazis of the true location of the landings? Why are governments never allowed to keep secrets and communicate in privacy?
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Where was the actual harm? Can you point to a body count?[/quote]
That’s something a little hard to figure out in that part of the world.
I’ll leave you with a quote from Jules:
Question: What if people on ‘our’ side are killed for talking to coalition forces?
Jules: They deserve to die.
So according to Jules, human beings deserve to die because they are sick of the Taliban blowing up their relatives at their own funerals? Is this guy some kind of fucking psychopath? What’s the attraction?
One more question: The US has stated unequivocally that it will NOT charge Jules. It would have been far easier for them to extradite him from Sweden than the UK and they did not. If Jules is so concerned about media freedom, why does he support despotic regimes like Ecuador and Russia where they murder journalists on a daily basis?
[quote]orion wrote:
we get Bush.
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Can we at least keep a landng strip or two?
[quote]SexMachine wrote:
[quote]AceRock wrote:
I love Wikileaks.
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That tells me a great deal about your level of judgement
1)
No assange is a convicted criminal hacker, traitor, liar and rapist.
2)
You offer no explanation for this. Let me give you an example. The Nazis new for years that Britain and the US were going to open a second front across the channel and engaged in extensive preparations to repel it. England engaged in extensive preparations to prevent the Nazis from finding out where and when the landings would take place.
They went to the trouble of faking landing maps, placing them on dead bodies and floating them ashore to Spain where they knew they would be handed over to the Nazis. They built fake inflatable tanks by the thousands and arranged them opposite Calais to convince the Nazis the landings would take place there. They moved divisional sized forces to the same area and set up fake field hospitals, resupply depots etc.
All this was aimed at convincing the Nazis that the second front would arrive in the Calais area. It worked. The best armoured divisions were stationed in that area and the Normandy landings were largely unopposed. Even when reported they were not believed and the Panza divisions in the Calais area were not sent until a large bridgehead was established.
My question to you is what benefit would it have been to inform the world and therefore the Nazis of the true location of the landings? Why are governments never allowed to keep secrets and communicate in privacy?
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Where was the actual harm? Can you point to a body count?[/quote]
3)
That’s something a little hard to figure out in that part of the world.
I’ll leave you with a quote from Jules:
Question: What if people on ‘our’ side are killed for talking to coalition forces?
Jules: They deserve to die.
So according to Jules, human beings deserve to die because they are sick of the Taliban blowing up their relatives at their own funerals? Is this guy some kind of fucking psychopath? What’s the attraction?
4)
One more question: The US has stated unequivocally that it will NOT charge Jules. It would have been far easier for them to extradite him from Sweden than the UK and they did not. If Jules is so concerned about media freedom, why does he support despotic regimes like Ecuador and Russia where they murder journalists on a daily basis?[/quote]
I’ve had terrible luck with the quote game tonight, so I’ll just do this the old way, from top down. I added the numbers above to correspond to my answers. Hope it makes sense.
- Non sequitur, and false. None of your accusations relate to my statement, nor do they negate it.
Where was he convicted? Of what country is he a traitor? To which lies, specifically, are you referring? And the rape is allegedly, under the rule of law, innocent until proven guilty.
- You haven’t asked for an explanation. It’s my opinion. I’ll give one, shortly. Let’s take care of this post first.
Godwin’s law. Also, your example is an example of military disinformation for the purpose of surprise. This is irrelevant in this context. Cool story, bro. It doesn’t change anything. We tricked the Germans once, and stormed a different beach, thereby breaking their lines. I’m aware of my own forces’ history. I do happen to work for them. I’m also attached to an intel unit, in which this topic is debated casually. No one cares. It’s not a threat.
- I didn’t think there was a number, either.
You’ve already quoted that exact interview in this thread. Do you have anything else? Also, non sequitur.
The attraction is that he did what I want to do. He made an impact. You know him, I know him, and the world knows him. More importantly, we know what he found and shared. Some hidden truths. I don’t want to be famous, not in the slightest; but I do want to make changes. Massive, revolutionary changes. And I need more on my side, willing to blow things open. A fire needs a spark.
- More accurately, those regimes support him.
Ecuador has given him political asylum, and Russia publishes his work. The enemy of my enemy is my friend.
Now, as to your earlier issue, the lack of explanation for my statement.
If we don’t know what we don’t know, we won’t know if we need to fix it. Once we know what’s wrong, we can set to correcting it. If you don’t know you’re low on oil, you are unlikely to add oil to your car.
We are living in the age of information. Secrecy has its place. I understand the classified tiers, and I have a clearance. However, if the government abuses its own rules, and by proxy, its people, it is our right, and even our obligation, to correct it, and ourselves. We are the government. The people. We are doing this to ourselves, and we need to stop. This is not a civil war, this needs to be an awakening. There is no “us versus them.” We are all one, and we need to start acting like it.
We have a right to know what our government does in our name. The world has a right to transparency.
I’m guessing you might disagree on a point or two, so I’ll check back later.
Zeppelin, thanks for the thread bump, btw.
[quote]AceRock wrote:
I’ve had terrible luck with the quote game tonight, so I’ll just do this the old way, from top down. I added the numbers above to correspond to my answers. Hope it makes sense.
- Non sequitur, and false. None of your accusations relate to my statement, nor do they negate it.
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What was a non sequitur and false? What statement of yours do my ‘accusations’ not relate to yours or negate them? On second thoughts let’s just forget that one.
Where was he convicted? Of what country is he a traitor? To which lies, specifically, are you referring? And the rape is allegedly, under the rule of law, innocent until proven guilty.
[quote]2) You haven’t asked for an explanation. It’s my opinion. I’ll give one, shortly. Let’s take care of this post first.
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Frankly, from what you’ve posted so far I have absolutely no interest in your opinion.
So you feel the need to boast about your special forces career and then tell me that the UK is no longer a ‘threat’ to Germany? WTF? You’re not right in the head son.
Um…what?
Yes, definitely not right in the head; delusions of grandeur, paranoia, obsessions with violence. Please seek help and don’t ‘blow [anything] open’
Shit I wonder why? Maybe because they fucking hate us?
And if his ‘work’ is perceived critical of the Putin regime he’ll be tossed out of a window or shot in the head. Working for freedom of the press is he?
This is starting to sound like Rumsfied’s inane ramblings.
So did Bradley Manning.
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However, if the government abuses its own rules, and by proxy, its people, it is our right, and even our obligation, to correct it, and ourselves. We are the government. The people. We are doing this to ourselves, and we need to stop. This is not a civil war, this needs to be an awakening. There is no “us versus them.” We are all one, and we need to start acting like it.
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No, we’re not all one and we never will be thankfully. Why don’t you take off your beret, grow a grey ponytail and spend the rest of your days ranting at undergrads about whatever the fuck it is you think you’re entitled to.
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We have a right to know what our government does in our name. The world has a right to transparency.
I’m guessing you might disagree on a point or two, so I’ll check back later.
Zeppelin, thanks for the thread bump, btw.[/quote]
Yeah right. Fight the power man!
[quote]SexMachine wrote:
What was a non sequitur and false? What statement of yours do my ‘accusations’ not relate to yours or negate them? On second thoughts let’s just forget that one.
Frankly, from what you’ve posted so far I have absolutely no interest in your opinion.
So you feel the need to boast about your special forces career and then tell me that the UK is no longer a ‘threat’ to Germany? WTF? You’re not right in the head son.
Um…what?
Yes, definitely not right in the head; delusions of grandeur, paranoia, obsessions with violence. Please seek help and don’t ‘blow [anything] open’
Shit I wonder why? Maybe because they fucking hate us?
And if his ‘work’ is perceived critical of the Putin regime he’ll be tossed out of a window or shot in the head. Working for freedom of the press is he?
This is starting to sound like Rumsfied’s inane ramblings.
So did Bradley Manning.
No, we’re not all one and we never will be thankfully. Why don’t you take off your beret, grow a grey ponytail and spend the rest of your days ranting at undergrads about whatever the fuck it is you think you’re entitled to.
Yeah right. Fight the power man!
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If you’re not interested in a civil discussion, it’s all good. Enjoy your freedoms while you have them.
You’re going to have to learn sonny, that if you go around bragging about your security clearance, praising Assange and advocating revolution then you’re not going to get a civil discussion from me or from any right minded person. If I were you I’d be more worried about who is reading your inane and disturbing chatter here.
I wasn’t bragging. We’re having a conversation (or rather, I was trying to have a conversation with you) about leaking classified information, therefore it seems relevant that I’m not an outsider. If you took it as braggadocio, that is unfortunate and, I assure you, it was unintended.
This is PWI. The freedom of speech applies. Also, who cares what I write? Do you think the NSA gives my opinion any credence? They are not that bored, trust me. From what I’ve seen, they have bigger problems to handle.
Finally, I simply contributed my sentiments to the thread, as did you. You were the one that took my post and started the debate. If you’re not interested, it seems like you started something you’re not prepared to finish.
Again, as always, have a lovely day.
[quote]AceRock wrote:
I wasn’t bragging. We’re having a conversation (or rather, I was trying to have a conversation with you) about leaking classified information, therefore it seems relevant that I’m not an outsider. If you took it as braggadocio, that is unfortunate and, I assure you, it was unintended.
This is PWI. The freedom of speech applies. Also, who cares what I write? Do you think the NSA gives my opinion any credence? They are not that bored, trust me. From what I’ve seen, they have bigger problems to handle.
Finally, I simply contributed my sentiments to the thread, as did you. You were the one that took my post and started the debate. If you’re not interested, it seems like you started something you’re not prepared to finish.
Again, as always, have a lovely day.[/quote]
No hard feelings. I just feel like I’ve had a conversation with someone who admires and defends Bader Meinhoff or the Red Army Faction. I’m going to give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you’re young and ill informed. Again, no insult intended. We’re all uninformed about something. And I wish you a lovely day too. 
[quote]SexMachine wrote:
[quote]AceRock wrote:
I wasn’t bragging. We’re having a conversation (or rather, I was trying to have a conversation with you) about leaking classified information, therefore it seems relevant that I’m not an outsider. If you took it as braggadocio, that is unfortunate and, I assure you, it was unintended.
This is PWI. The freedom of speech applies. Also, who cares what I write? Do you think the NSA gives my opinion any credence? They are not that bored, trust me. From what I’ve seen, they have bigger problems to handle.
Finally, I simply contributed my sentiments to the thread, as did you. You were the one that took my post and started the debate. If you’re not interested, it seems like you started something you’re not prepared to finish.
Again, as always, have a lovely day.[/quote]
No hard feelings. I just feel like I’ve had a conversation with someone who admires and defends Bader Meinhoff or the Red Army Faction. I’m going to give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you’re young and ill informed. Again, no insult intended. We’re all uninformed about something. And I wish you a lovely day too.
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Perhaps he is old and wise enough for you to hear the message. It’s only 15 minutes, and I promise you, there is nothing Red about it.
I know this has nothing to do with Wikileaks, in a literal sense. I just watched it and couldn’t help but think of you.