[quote]will to power wrote:
I’m pretty sure the first thing written in the vein of the Bill of Rights would be the document on human rights set down by Cyrus the Great, founder of the Persian Empire, when he freed the slaves in Babylon. 539 BC, I think.[/quote]
Billy Ray was awesome!
I’ve search high and low looking for a quote that prooves england controled 90% of the worlds overseas trade because i heard that fact too and belived it to be true.
But i can find proof that England controled the spice trade (with india) as england controled india and the slave trade in africa as well as the sugar trade in the caribean and the tabbacco trade in virgina, also england controled the tea trade in india and the raw materials trade within it colonies (ie metal ore, coal and timber) as well as being the primary importer of all these raw goods and prossessing (in the new factories of the day) and subsequent export of finished goods.
All i’m saying is that 90% thing is a fact, but i dont want to be drawn into this argument as i like to think of myself as politicaly nutral, in fact i was born in france my mothers side of the family is white south african and my father is native mauritian and my sister has married an american and now lived in Boston.
I say Vive Le Difference
[quote]electric_eales wrote:
wukey wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
electric_eales wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
electric_eales wrote:
did any of you americans actually take part in the second world war, no, then shut the fuck up, and, my english country men, did any of you spurn the industrial revolusion, what was that, NO, then shut the fuck up.
So if you were not alive or participate in any historical event you should not ever discuss it? Shit you just put a lot of history teachers out of a job man.
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no, i’m just saying make your own glory to bask in, don’t brag about reflected glory from the achivments of people you’ve never met.
[quote]electric_eales wrote:
texasguy2 wrote:
electric_eales wrote:
texasguy2 wrote:
electric_eales wrote:
texasguy2 wrote:
electric_eales wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
electric_eales wrote:
mazilla wrote:
they must be jealous we are the greatest country in the history of man. it could have been the big American flag i had across my chest on my t-shirt.either way, USA USA USA.
If people outside of the U.S. are not overly friendly to you maybe it is becuase of your dck head attitude, or that you make ignorant and Un-intelligent statements?
On what basis are you claiming that The U.S> is the greatest country in the history of man?
Is it the size of your army (the same army that invented the term �??friendly fire�??)
Is it your strong economy?
Is it your well respected and intelligent leader?
If you wish to make stupid ass comments like this may I suggest you read up (OK maybe you can find a film about the following, I know Mel Gibson makes world history much easier to understand for you)
Ancient Egyptians
Byzantines
the Roman empire
Acient Greeks
Britain (during the industrial revolution when they controlled 90% of global trade)
The US today does not even come close sorry dude
Shit posts like this are pure jealousy. To claim that the US doesn’t ccome close to these old civilizations is silly.
can you explain how currently the US is even close to controlling 90% of global trade?
can you show the source for your statistics and adequately explain the variables in the process?
Google would be a gret place to start if you wish to find statistics realting to Britains global power during the indutrial revolution, my examples of course are only relative to the time that they took place, during the industrial revolution Britain had the largest and best Navy in the world, but if that Navy was around today it of course would not stand up almost any countries current Naval capabilities
I figured you wouldn’t know what you were talking about.
Not sure what draws you to that conclusion
Britain once controlled 90% of global trade
the US has never achieved this level
Britain was more of a global superpower during the industrial revolution that Americ is global superpower today
There are no variables to take into account just simple percentile comparisons of simple statistics from both time periods.
Variables are what make up the statistics that give a percentile. Each individual variable plays a role and carries a certain weight in an equation. The weight of variables in an equation giving an answer such as yours are more than likely up for major debate.
You can’t even show one source backing your claim and I’m calling bs.
When you make a statement, the burden of proof is on you. You claim Britain controlled 90% of the worlds trade during the industrial revolution.
Show your sources.
In the mean time, please tell me how often you and your buddies wear blue jeans, how many McDonalds and Starbucks you pass in your day to day activities, how widespread Coca Cola, Pepsi and other American products are in Europe, where all the best movies come from (modern day theater) who inspires or produces the TV shows you watch (a window in to culture) and also describe what Europe would look like if America never butted in on the world wars.
I think you’d be speaking german while enjoying american products and culture wrapped in to a european shell.
Nobody is disputing Americas current global status as the number 1 super power on the planet currently today as we speak, not long before China and/or the EU take over this mantle possibly?
it was a long time ago that I learnt that piece of information so I cannot point you to a specific quote right now im afraid, this might offer you the same information
Germany scraped numerous plans to invade Britain during the 2nd world war it was not seen as a viable prospect. Americas intervention (a bitlate I might add) was very helpfull in winning the war for the allies, it is very difficult for anyone to predict what the state of Europw would be right now if America had not assisted with the war against Germany so I will not atempt it, personally I do not think it would be so drastically different as a permanent occup[ation of so many countries would have been very difficult to sustain for Germany and would rely on the Nazi party remaining in power.
maybe this would be better in PM if you wish to debate further these posts are getting long, but please bear in mind I am not attacking the US, just pointing out that the guys attituse of USA USA USA when abroad is rather shit and he can only expect people outside of the US to dislike him for that attitude, it is interesting that HE was unable to back up his rants with the same kind of intellect you have evidenced, but then I doubt you would have that same attitude when abroad.
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That link says absolutely nothing substantial.
Great Britain definately had it’s day but it fell hundreds of years ago.
There can be no doubt the US has had and is continuing to have as much influence on the world if not more than any empire before her.
Rather than officially colonizing, we set up puppet gov’ts to keep a positive political climate while taking advantage of economic opportunity.
False autonomy will keep us from going the route Britain went. With no US gov’t there can be no real rebellion, only replaced leaders sentimental to our economic desires.
Our culture permeates every corner of the earth and is typically widely recieved and yes, our military is much more powerful than anyones.
this argument is like me saying;
‘i’m better than you because the person who lived in my house befor me invented the question mark and the person who lived in your house befor you only invented the at sign and everyone knows the question mark is better the the at sign’
the reason this post spiralled into this BS debate is because Mazilla was complaining that while he was in Europw he did not feel very welcomed by Eurpoens, he then went on the express the exact kind of dumb attitude that has a lot of people in the world disliking America as a country.
I was trying to point out that his attitude stinks wanted to see how well he could back up his rants, which he could not, then some other people got involved and it all got a bit boring and over the top.
The US is currently the strongest super power in the world, but Americans go around other countries banging on about this and proclaiming their greatness they will not be well received and should not compalin when they don’t, if you are more respectfull of the country and you are in and its people i am sure they will be a lot more accomodating.
Unless that country is in the middle east or France or Korea or China or Russia or many of the south American countries or Canada Then in these cases I would just not bother trying to be honest
[quote]wukey wrote:
I’ve search high and low looking for a quote that prooves england controled 90% of the worlds overseas trade because i heard that fact too and belived it to be true.
But i can find proof that England controled the spice trade (with india) as england controled india and the slave trade in africa as well as the sugar trade in the caribean and the tabbacco trade in virgina, also england controled the tea trade in india and the raw materials trade within it colonies (ie metal ore, coal and timber) as well as being the primary importer of all these raw goods and prossessing (in the new factories of the day) and subsequent export of finished goods.
All i’m saying is that 90% thing is a fact, but i dont want to be drawn into this argument as i like to think of myself as politicaly nutral, in fact i was born in france my mothers side of the family is white south african and my father is native mauritian and my sister has married an american and now lived in Boston.
I say Vive Le Difference[/quote]
I don’t question the 90% even though I am sure no one ever had an accurate way to measure.
I just wonder if that was the mark of greatness. No question they had the greatest navy in the world at the time but they used it to restrict other nations free trade, setting up British companies as the only ones allowed to trade.
Imagine if the US pulled that shit today!
[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
wukey wrote:
I’ve search high and low looking for a quote that prooves england controled 90% of the worlds overseas trade because i heard that fact too and belived it to be true.
But i can find proof that England controled the spice trade (with india) as england controled india and the slave trade in africa as well as the sugar trade in the caribean and the tabbacco trade in virgina, also england controled the tea trade in india and the raw materials trade within it colonies (ie metal ore, coal and timber) as well as being the primary importer of all these raw goods and prossessing (in the new factories of the day) and subsequent export of finished goods.
All i’m saying is that 90% thing is a fact, but i dont want to be drawn into this argument as i like to think of myself as politicaly nutral, in fact i was born in france my mothers side of the family is white south african and my father is native mauritian and my sister has married an american and now lived in Boston.
I say Vive Le Difference
I don’t question the 90% even though I am sure no one ever had an accurate way to measure.
I just wonder if that was the mark of greatness. No question they had the greatest navy in the world at the time but they used it to restrict other nations free trade, setting up British companies as the only ones allowed to trade.
Imagine if the US pulled that shit today![/quote]
i agree Zap, your right, the suppression of free trade is enough for me to hang my head in shame, but lets not forget the current American polocies on protectionism of its steel and automotive industries as well as their agricultural subsidies. Perhaps its time for these industries to go east, america can still make a good living on high tech industries.
[quote]wukey wrote:
I’ve search high and low looking for a quote that prooves england controled 90% of the worlds overseas trade because i heard that fact too and belived it to be true.
But i can find proof that England controled the spice trade (with india) as england controled india and the slave trade in africa as well as the sugar trade in the caribean and the tabbacco trade in virgina, also england controled the tea trade in india and the raw materials trade within it colonies (ie metal ore, coal and timber) as well as being the primary importer of all these raw goods and prossessing (in the new factories of the day) and subsequent export of finished goods.
All i’m saying is that 90% thing is a fact, but i dont want to be drawn into this argument as i like to think of myself as politicaly nutral, in fact i was born in france my mothers side of the family is white south african and my father is native mauritian and my sister has married an american and now lived in Boston.
I say Vive Le Difference[/quote]
However, none of the examples listed occurred during the industrial revolution.
Look, we ALL like beer and tits right? What more is there to discuss?
[quote]texasguy2 wrote:
wukey wrote:
I’ve search high and low looking for a quote that prooves england controled 90% of the worlds overseas trade because i heard that fact too and belived it to be true.
But i can find proof that England controled the spice trade (with india) as england controled india and the slave trade in africa as well as the sugar trade in the caribean and the tabbacco trade in virgina, also england controled the tea trade in india and the raw materials trade within it colonies (ie metal ore, coal and timber) as well as being the primary importer of all these raw goods and prossessing (in the new factories of the day) and subsequent export of finished goods.
All i’m saying is that 90% thing is a fact, but i dont want to be drawn into this argument as i like to think of myself as politicaly nutral, in fact i was born in france my mothers side of the family is white south african and my father is native mauritian and my sister has married an american and now lived in Boston.
I say Vive Le Difference
However, none of the examples listed occurred during the industrial revolution. [/quote]
and…
[quote]texasguy2 wrote:
electric_eales wrote:
mazilla wrote:
they must be jealous we are the greatest country in the history of man. it could have been the big American flag i had across my chest on my t-shirt.either way, USA USA USA.
If people outside of the U.S. are not overly friendly to you maybe it is becuase of your dck head attitude, or that you make ignorant and Un-intelligent statements?
On what basis are you claiming that The U.S> is the greatest country in the history of man?
Is it the size of your army (the same army that invented the term �??friendly fire�??)
Is it your strong economy?
Is it your well respected and intelligent leader?
If you wish to make stupid ass comments like this may I suggest you read up (OK maybe you can find a film about the following, I know Mel Gibson makes world history much easier to understand for you)
Ancient Egyptians
Byzantines
the Roman empire
Acient Greeks
Britain (during the industrial revolution when they controlled 90% of global trade)
The US today does not even come close sorry dude
Well, America is better because Americans walk in to European gyms and start deadlifting while Europeans are doing crunches and pec decs apparantly.
Since the American Revolution, European nations have always had to rely on their bigger, little brother across the pond for protection, usually from Germany. Germany gets a little drunk and rowdy (and who wouldn’t with all that German beer?) and starts beating people up, Great Britain, France, etc can’t fight back well enough and the United States steps in and turns the tide of war until victory for herself and her feeble allies.
Not only that, but European countries had to take our model of separate states in a nation with a common currency to improve their own political standings in the world, and we’ve only been around for an inkling in comparison to european history. Apparantly we lead the learning curves too.
And our athletes just make European athletes look silly, except for soccer but soccer is pretty gay anyways. And we even have your soccer superstar regardless!
I would imagine Europeans have developed some sort of feeble sibling syndrome and seeing a bigger, stronger American doing manlier exercises in their gyms agitates the syndrome.
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Actually, in 1812, Great Britain came back over here and kicked our asses. If you forget, the French presence in America was one of the deciding factors in the outcome of the American Revolution. The only European power we could push our weight around with during the 1800’s was Spain (who had been in a sad state of decline for the past 200 years or so already). During the late 19th century, Great Britain controlled 75% of the world’s inhabitable land area and was already full industrialized. American didnt become a major power until the end of World War I, which left Europe so devastated that the opportunity was wide open for America to step up and become a superpower. Britain and France couldnt defend themselves from Germany? This is partly true, but you are forgetting that there were British soldiers dying with our boys on the beaches of Normandy, too. I would say Britain held its own pretty well, considering that, Unlike the US, it was in range of German bombers and got cold cocked every night during the war. As for the Americans being the sole reason the course of the war changed, I dont know how true that is. The Russian juggernaut did quite a number on the Germans and once again, dont forget the British.
Has the US played a pretty major role in world affairs in the past century? Yes. Have we been rolling up in our American Flag H2’s and shouting AMERICA FUCK YEAH for the past 250 years? Not at all.
If America were so powerful at this moment, then our dollar would be worth more than the Canadian dollar, we would have finished the job in Iraq, and have maybe even solved some of the problems in the rest of Asia (Iran, North Korea, etc.)
I get the feeling Europeans dislike Americans because the majority of us are arrogant sons of bitches with little to no grasp on what is actually going on in the world. I dont know where you got your profound grasp of History, but if it was in Texas, then it makes sense why our nation is in such a piss poor state these days.
[quote]Stronghold wrote:
texasguy2 wrote:
electric_eales wrote:
mazilla wrote:
they must be jealous we are the greatest country in the history of man. it could have been the big American flag i had across my chest on my t-shirt.either way, USA USA USA.
If people outside of the U.S. are not overly friendly to you maybe it is becuase of your dck head attitude, or that you make ignorant and Un-intelligent statements?
On what basis are you claiming that The U.S> is the greatest country in the history of man?
Is it the size of your army (the same army that invented the term �??friendly fire�??)
Is it your strong economy?
Is it your well respected and intelligent leader?
If you wish to make stupid ass comments like this may I suggest you read up (OK maybe you can find a film about the following, I know Mel Gibson makes world history much easier to understand for you)
Ancient Egyptians
Byzantines
the Roman empire
Acient Greeks
Britain (during the industrial revolution when they controlled 90% of global trade)
The US today does not even come close sorry dude
Well, America is better because Americans walk in to European gyms and start deadlifting while Europeans are doing crunches and pec decs apparantly.
Since the American Revolution, European nations have always had to rely on their bigger, little brother across the pond for protection, usually from Germany. Germany gets a little drunk and rowdy (and who wouldn’t with all that German beer?) and starts beating people up, Great Britain, France, etc can’t fight back well enough and the United States steps in and turns the tide of war until victory for herself and her feeble allies.
Not only that, but European countries had to take our model of separate states in a nation with a common currency to improve their own political standings in the world, and we’ve only been around for an inkling in comparison to european history. Apparantly we lead the learning curves too.
And our athletes just make European athletes look silly, except for soccer but soccer is pretty gay anyways. And we even have your soccer superstar regardless!
I would imagine Europeans have developed some sort of feeble sibling syndrome and seeing a bigger, stronger American doing manlier exercises in their gyms agitates the syndrome.
Actually, in 1812, Great Britain came back over here and kicked our asses. If you forget, the French presence in America was one of the deciding factors in the outcome of the American Revolution. The only European power we could push our weight around with during the 1800’s was Spain (who had been in a sad state of decline for the past 200 years or so already). During the late 19th century, Great Britain controlled 75% of the world’s inhabitable land area and was already full industrialized. American didnt become a major power until the end of World War I, which left Europe so devastated that the opportunity was wide open for America to step up and become a superpower. Britain and France couldnt defend themselves from Germany? This is partly true, but you are forgetting that there were British soldiers dying with our boys on the beaches of Normandy, too. I would say Britain held its own pretty well, considering that, Unlike the US, it was in range of German bombers and got cold cocked every night during the war. As for the Americans being the sole reason the course of the war changed, I dont know how true that is. The Russian juggernaut did quite a number on the Germans and once again, dont forget the British.
Has the US played a pretty major role in world affairs in the past century? Yes. Have we been rolling up in our American Flag H2’s and shouting AMERICA FUCK YEAH for the past 250 years? Not at all.
If America were so powerful at this moment, then our dollar would be worth more than the Canadian dollar, we would have finished the job in Iraq, and have maybe even solved some of the problems in the rest of Asia (Iran, North Korea, etc.)
I get the feeling Europeans dislike Americans because the majority of us are arrogant sons of bitches with little to no grasp on what is actually going on in the world. I dont know where you got your profound grasp of History, but if it was in Texas, then it makes sense why our nation is in such a piss poor state these days.[/quote]
The more i spend time on american based forums the more i like the average american, perhaps you guys have got a bad press, but unfortunatly a reputation is a difficult thing to shake off.
[quote]wukey wrote:
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i agree Zap, your right, the suppression of free trade is enough for me to hang my head in shame, but lets not forget the current American polocies on protectionism of its steel and automotive industries as well as their agricultural subsidies. Perhaps its time for these industries to go east, america can still make a good living on high tech industries.[/quote]
I think Bush loosened some of the steel protectionism after Europe’s reaction but it still exists for government funded projects (at least in my state).
Japanese, Chinese and Korean protectionism is unreal but they never seem to get called on it. I have designed and sold engineered equipment that was shipped over there and it is unreal the bullshit they make you go through. And then they completely disassemble it to reverse engineer it. And then they put it back together wrong and try to make warranty claims.
Wow, guess the T-Nation staff didn’t like my last one, it disappeared! Maybe they were afraid the leprechaun’s twat would hurt too much… Adios Miss Ireland, I’ve decided not to waste any more time on a bitchy paddy after seeing my brilliant post kicked, but you can waste your time on this cool american. We all know your pissed just cause you wish you were one.
[quote]danian1 wrote:
Wow, guess the T-Nation staff didn’t like my last one, it disappeared! Maybe they were afraid the leprechaun’s twat would hurt too much… Adios Miss Ireland, I’ve decided not to waste any more time on a bitchy paddy after seeing my brilliant post kicked, but you can waste your time on this cool american. We all know your pissed just cause you wish you were one.[/quote]
It took a few pages of replies, but I think, just maybe, that we isolated why everyones always “pickin’” on you. I read your deleted post and that was a much better example of why others in the gym might not be overly freindly towards you.
[quote]wukey wrote:
Another reason we’re so great is the music. We gave the world Elvis
If i were you i’d have kept quiet about that one, i know he has a rather deluded following but come on now people, you’ve got to admit that even if at the time his music was good, now it just sounds shit and out of date and should be just left to die in the past where it belongs.
BRING IT ON ELVIS FANS!![/quote]
Why the hell would I keep quite about that one? Elvis was a badass. He tore shit up on stage and in the studio.
If you understood the history of Rock n Roll, which you don’t, you’d realize how influential and great Elvis was. Unfortunately the image most people have about him is his cheesy Vegas persona influenced by Liberachi. Sure he went down hill later, but he was something special in his earlier career, both with sound and image. His songs are still great and timeless. Believe it or not his guitar player, and fellow Sun Records recording artist, Carl Perkins (blue suede shoes), had a huge influence on British music (ex. the Beatles).
Billy Holiday and the Crickets, who was also directly influenced by Elvis, had a huge influence on British pop bands of the late 60’s. In fact the Beatles came up with their name because of the Crickets. The Beatles had no problem admitting this and granted they were a great band too, even though I like Pink Floyd better.
[quote]danian1 wrote:
Contrl wrote:
OP, clearly the problem is you haven’t ass raped anybody yet. A gym is like prison, you need to go in, state your business, and take charge.
Your right, fuck this shit, no more mr nice guy. I’m goin in tomorrow, shock n awe style, and could be there for a very. long. time. 
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Now THAT is a snappy answer. Kudos!
OP, did you bother learning the local languages of those places? Just something to think about…
[quote]wukey wrote:
The more i spend time on american based forums the more i like the average american, perhaps you guys have got a bad press, but unfortunatly a reputation is a difficult thing to shake off.[/quote]
What’s aggravating as an American is that this reputation is largely fabricated.
I can’t say that I’ve ever encountered someone here that honestly believes that America is the best at everything, ever, or that she is completely faultless. Yet foreigners quite often seem to think that that is the mindset of your typical American.
Not only is it not typical, it’s darn near unheard-of. Most Americans are very proud of their country, but not completely delusional.
When it comes to debates, especially internet debates, it may seem that Americans are often taking comically pro-American positions, but that is often because the other side takes unfair, hyper-critical anti-American positions.
It’s difficult to remain completely intellectually honest when your opponent has thrown objectivity to the wind and is just bashing the hell out of your country.
lol, yes lixy, I’m looking right at you.
[quote]ZeWolfman wrote:
danian1 wrote:
Wow, guess the T-Nation staff didn’t like my last one, it disappeared! Maybe they were afraid the leprechaun’s twat would hurt too much… Adios Miss Ireland, I’ve decided not to waste any more time on a bitchy paddy after seeing my brilliant post kicked, but you can waste your time on this cool american. We all know your pissed just cause you wish you were one.
It took a few pages of replies, but I think, just maybe, that we isolated why everyones always “pickin’” on you. I read your deleted post and that was a much better example of why others in the gym might not be overly freindly towards you.[/quote]
Now I feel left out 'cause I missed it…