Why You/We Hate Personal Trainers

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Ace Rimmer + Modok: thanks guys!

Yeah I think there’s a lot to be said for open-mindedness and I realize now that my first post is a little “T-Nation mythbusters” heavy in the whole ruling out of training techniques. Ace I like what you said about trying out and learning about what the client wants to train – even if it’s crossfit. (Heck I did CF for a while)

And by “pretty pink dbs” I really meant that I won’t short change my clients in terms of how much weight they can and should handle on major compound exercises. Lighter dbs should be more than commonplace for rehab and some additional accessory work.

And Nate = yeah I guess they could come in handy for ankle stability etc, but I like the point that Lift or Die made about Bosu never replacing floor work as a staple.

Belligerent: that is a HUGE point, and it kinda fits in with Ace’s post. I need to keep my head open because so much of this stuff is unproven/contradictory/untested.

Thanks guys! Keep it comin’.

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[quote]FutureGL wrote:

And Nate = yeah I guess they could come in handy for ankle stability etc, but I like the point that Lift or Die made about Bosu never replacing floor work as a staple.

Thanks guys! Keep it comin’.[/quote]

I feel like your missing the point man, It’s not to replace the floor work, but to help work up to it while also offering stability. It’s not for the average joe Powerlifter but for athletes, not every athlete should be worrying about deadlifting 21831093890 pounds because not every athlete needs to for their sport, they should work on stabilizer strength and being able to balance while holding heavy weight. Think about it, in football a tail back is running as fast as he can through 300 lbs d-lineman, he’s gonna need some training or strength to be able to stay on his ass, IMO this helps. But like i said, It’s not meant to replace floor work , and it’s not for everyone. It’s a stability specific excersize. I think you should go get Sport Conditioning certified or whatever it is called :P, that’ll help with understanding it.

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[quote]FutureGL wrote:
olympianiac wrote:
my only compliant with the personal trainers i have met is that they only have their clients do exercises that will make the client fell the “burn” in areas that they think will make them thinner. like crunches and what not. they should make their clients do heavy duty compound movements IMO. but whatever keeps your clients coming back i guess.

Don’t worry about it, all my clients will learn the first day that spot reduction isn’t a reality.[/quote]

and you’ll get them a week later asking how to get rid of “this”

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I started working with a personal trainer a little over a year ago. At the beginning of my journey I was almost 300 lbs of untrained fat. In a year I was able to drop 90 lbs, and go from struggling through bodyweight squats to lifting heavy weights.

My trainer introduced me to T-Nation, handed me a printout of John Berardi’s 7 habits, got me drinking Surge for proper PWO nutrition, and taught me what it means to lift with intensity. There’s plenty of bad trainers, but some are great.

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I think a lot of being a good trainer will come with experience.

Basically, to be good at that particular field, scratch that, Awesome at that particular field, you need to know people better than you know fittness.

Each client will be different, have different breaking points, different surges of energy and focus on different execises, all that stuff.

You being able to know your client enough to know when to push, when to ease off, when to praise, when to reprimand will make or break you. I’ve seen really well-built super-fit trainers only keep clients for a couple months, and easier going trainers keep the same clients for over a year and really progress during that time.

It’s a weird set up when you look at it. Maybe one of the few professions out there where you’re being paid to be in control of an aspect of the life of the person who’s paying you. Respect that and you’ll have a leg up on a lot of folks.

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[quote]Ace Rimmer wrote:
montez wrote:
I have had to personal trainers in my life and i hated them both.
My first trainer told me I was a decent wight for my height but to get me lean he put me on a ridiculous diet based around. of canned tuna, rice cakes, and sliced turkey. he had me lifting weights that were way too light for me and made me do speed rep. I and most people on T-Nation believe and the lift heavy and eat enough training style.
my second trainer did’nt know shit about how to choose exercises that actually build muscles he had me doing natural lunges, leg extensions, step ups and sit ups with a medicine ball. I am pretty sure the front squat routine I was doing was better than all those exercises combined lol.And to add insult to injury he told my that I was just good at front squats because I was used to them, the important thing was to keep my body guessing.

please don’t become one of these idiots.

I was reluctant to judge the PT(s) involved,as I only have bits and pieces of info,but I can see that whether or not the training/diet methods he used were right or wrong,
it seems their approach was wrong for YOU,and it seems the PT’s did not take the time to get feedback from you,or listen to you,or explain why this or that works or
why you are doing what you are doing with them today.
Good personal training is about RESULTS.
results are achieved by connecting with the client and finding a balance between what the client WANTS and what they NEED.
If I can’t get a client to keep on doing a certain exercise because they hate it or it doesn’t feel right,I don’t bash them round the head with a textbook and say ‘This is what you’re SUPPOSED to be doing!’ I explain why this is gonna work,I explain the muscles being used,I’ll show them alternatives or modifications,I’ll explain how this is going to achieve what they want,that I have a progression in mind,I’ll look into whether there is another exercise that maybe better for their body type,lifestyle,etc. if I’m still gatting nowhere,
the exercise is ELIMINATED.
Bottom line-they pay my wages.
I have to find another way.
Once they make progress with a balance of what they want and need,they will be happy and keep coming back,they will make progress,they get fitter,they get stronger.
Once they have made progress,they will gradually get used to doing stuff that may be out of their comfort zone.
They may still ask questions or be skeptical,but they’ve SEEN results,they see it in the mirror every morning.
Soon enough,they will either be setting new goals and wanting to try new stuff,or training themselves and telling their friends that they did it with your help.
Hey presto,that client refers 2 of their friends…

(Having said all that,you could do all that and more and still get nowhere with a client.Let them drive another PT mad,they will start to make you look bad.)

welcome to the circle…

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you make good point in saying that I did not give enough information.
I guess what I neglected say was that the trainers really didn’t listen to anything I had to say. I told them that I have been weight training for a couple of years and that I had gained lots of strength and even changed my body composition quite a bit but it was as if they saw I did’nt have 19 inch arms so they were going to overhaul the whole way i trained. and put me on a high volume, low intensity, isolation movement program that I know for a fact would have made me lose strength and size if I had stuck to it.

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BTW, you’re now all conversing with a certified ACE Personal Trainer. Passed the test this afternoon woot! I still feel the same, maybe a little more “functional” [sic].

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[quote]FutureGL wrote:
BTW, you’re now all conversing with a certified ACE Personal Trainer. Passed the test this afternoon woot! I still feel the same, maybe a little more “functional” [sic].[/quote]

Nice one!

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My Experience:
NSCA-CPT
CFP-PTS
Personal Trainer: 2 years.
University Student: Kinesiology & Health Sciences
(Working toward joining the CATA)

I’ve been down this road before too FutureGL and been exactly in your position and I can tell you generally why people hate personal trainers. Here are a few points.

  1. MOST gyms will hire anyone. Fat, skinny, tall, short, educated, uneducated, etc. The name of the game is SALES. Personal Trainers are salesmen and women. Bottom line. They pump up him or her into believing they can change peoples lives and then send them out to SELL. Contracts are signed between the company and the client NOT the trainer. It’s really kind of a snaky business. Some people do get it right though and trainers are hit and miss but at the gym I worked for the average PT lasts about 3-6 weeks! Unfortunately as you can see that kind of environment doesn’t breed good trainers and offers a poor environment for clients. Imagine spending $1500.00 over 3-4 months and you end up with 2-3 different trainers. NO GOOD! And that’s just the surface of the business.

  2. Clientele is hit or miss. You will probably experience 60%-80% of all clients hiring a trainer for the wrong reasons which then makes said trainer (if they are any good) look bad. Again I must stress the SALES aspect which coaxes PT’s into taking whatever they can get. Plus after about a year or so it’s hard to find a client that will PUSH YOU to learn more. It can become quite stagnant after a while.

  3. There is literally no connect between exercise and nutrition. This is a HUGE problem. For example, you can take any number of steps to get people to eat right but they are responsible for doing the work. This is extremely important to understand. I always told my clients that I can HELP you but you have to do the work. Furthermore, some clients need more help with nutrition then a basic trainer can help them with. I don’t believe an ACE cert. will give you enough knowledge but will help you identity when you need to refer your client. But that is my entire point. The community of most cities are not integrated with their gyms and it makes it hard to find a GOOD Dietician, natural path, etc. This hinders clients success and can give PT’s a negative image.

  4. It is important for some clients to visit a doctor prior to exercise. This kind of explains itself I guess. Most people don’t like that fact the they have to see their doctor. In addition, some people only get a trainer because the HAVE TO, which can make for unenjoyable experience.

  5. Again, going back to the sales. There is no time put into relationships between trainer and client. They are treated more like cattle to whomever is available. This is not fair for the client or the trainer. Remember, SALES is king and is the highest priority. This makes the trainer and gym look bad.

And that’s about all I can think of right now. Some of those points could be expanded more but I think you’ll get the point. I know I must sound pessimistic and I kind of feel that way about it. It would be foolish to overlook the good experiences I’ve had. The good clients I’ve had. You will find those I’m sure but I think what I’m trying to say is the trainer can suffer for so many reasons but mainly it is that of the environment of the club and how it operates. Make sure you work for one that understands some or all of the points above.

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[quote]Crusher Jr. wrote:
My Experience:
NSCA-CPT
CFP-PTS
Personal Trainer: 2 years.
University Student: Kinesiology & Health Sciences
(Working toward joining the CATA)

I’ve been down this road before too FutureGL and been exactly in your position and I can tell you generally why people hate personal trainers. Here are a few points.

  1. MOST gyms will hire anyone. Fat, skinny, tall, short, educated, uneducated, etc. The name of the game is SALES. Personal Trainers are salesmen and women. Bottom line. They pump up him or her into believing they can change peoples lives and then send them out to SELL. Contracts are signed between the company and the client NOT the trainer. It’s really kind of a snaky business. Some people do get it right though and trainers are hit and miss but at the gym I worked for the average PT lasts about 3-6 weeks! Unfortunately as you can see that kind of environment doesn’t breed good trainers and offers a poor environment for clients. Imagine spending $1500.00 over 3-4 months and you end up with 2-3 different trainers. NO GOOD! And that’s just the surface of the business.

  2. Again, going back to the sales. There is no time put into relationships between trainer and client. They are treated more like cattle to whomever is available. This is not fair for the client or the trainer. Remember, SALES is king and is the highest priority. This makes the trainer and gym look bad.
    [/quote]

I wanted to touch on this too,but didn’t know where to start.
These two points about the industry are very true.
I know of many people who were employed or accepted onto fast-track funded courses,not because of their passion for fitness,their appraoch or philosophies,not because of their qualifications,but because they have a PROVEN SALES BACKGROUND and little sympathy.
If you want to be the most employable PT around,in the eyes of many major chains,I hate to say it,but get a job in sales first,the most aggresive,underhand sales job going.
Selling used cars,telesales with cold-calling,stockbroking or selling for a fly-by-night ‘Boiler Room’ type comapny currently under indictment or federal investigation for aggresive salesmanship,you name it,it’s all good in their eyes.
Most chain gyms will look at this first,rather than qualifications-an establishment focusing on quality will do the opposite.
I hate to say it,but the PT’s who made the most money the fastest in those type of set-ups I have worked in were often arrogant and saw every client as cattle.
To say many of their sales techniques were underhand,and that some of the advice was morally questionable is an understatement-The biggest sellers intimidated members in the gym,ridiculed them and made them feel inferior,that was their sales approach,and it worked,and it was encouraged.
A typical sales pitch as I heard it from some of these guys was to tell a member how fat and/or stupid he looked doing his workout,how none of what they did is gonna work,illustrate in the most humiliating way how little they know,with no sympathy,get them doing several exercises and stretches that required assistance,and deliberately used over-complicated,even fictional names for the exercises muscles worked,to further make the potential client feel out of his depth-For these kinda guys and gals,a typical ‘induction’ (where the emphasis is supposed to be on getting to know the clients wants/needs/goals,orientating them to the gym,and maybe giving them a sample programme,discussing classes,services,etc.) is supposed to last an hour,spent chatting,mostly informally,to the new member.That shit lasts about a week for these guys-they get the chat down to 2/3 minutes,and the PT sales pitch/express consultation materialises,is aggresively shoehorned in over the next 5 minutes,and the rest of the hour turns into a sample PT session,whether the client wants it or not-You think these guys give a shit about whether you have questions about the circuits class? shut the fk up and sign the form,3 sessions a week,thats what you need-no,checking in once a week is not gonna do anything for you,and it’s actually mmore expensive,I’m trying to save YOU money here,etc…etc…
I had a client booked and sent to me for a consultation for an exercise programme-she was over 6 months pregnant.I apologised for the error and explained that I am currently only qualified to train or advise General Populations,dismissed her and told her I would be referring her to a PT with a experience and a respected qualification in this field (Pre & Post Natal Exercise)
and will call her later that afternoon with thenew appointment details.
I found my Supervisor,also an experienced PT,less than sympathetic-he saw it as just another member I could have sold PT to,to meet my target,to meet his target,to meet the club target,etc. he said I could have just given her a programme and ‘made the sale’-fk me,am I selling used cars?
Anyway,not all places are like that,I think if you want to make money and don’t give a shit about people,go for it.If you want to work in a quality establishment,I feel it is a bad choice going for one that is a gym first and foremost and has strict targets to meet,as this basically sets up the gym floor as a kind of ‘hunting ground’,where PT’s are pumped up to close the deal no matter what-fk how the client feels,fk quality control,many places are out to make a buck.
I had more feedback and training on my sales approach than on my approach to PT.
Notice I said the ones who made the most money the FASTEST were like this-I didn’t say they were the best PT’s-the ones who connect with people,enjoy what they do,have a passion for fitness,and focus on quality and results and professionalism,will,in most cases,make more money in the long run,gain a respected reputation that proceeds them-If you focus on being the best and on results,ultimately you will find in the long run,you can work less hours,potential clients find YOU,they remain loyal,and you can charge more.
It’s just slower.
I’d rather work in an establishment like a Personal Training Studio,or somewhere where people know what they are being sold and what you are about from day one,so you are not forced to interrupt someones workout with a corny sales pitch.
Failing that,a smaller/independent gym that doesn’t have ‘targets’ where pT is more of a sideline rather than something they aggresively pitch.
I plan to work for myself in the long run,firstly in peoples homes/offices/a local park,etc. then with my own PT studio and a seperate gym,and it will be the opposite of how these shady clubs operate.
The emphasis for many of these places is not educating people to be independent,or getting them to know their body,or focusing on quality,it’s about creating smoke and mirrors with as many machines and devices and classes as possible,and aggresively signing people up to as many PT sessions a week as possible for as LONG as possible.
Shady operators tend to treat people like mushrooms-
Keep 'em in the dark and feed 'em shit

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[quote]Ace Rimmer wrote:
Crusher Jr. wrote:
My Experience:
NSCA-CPT
CFP-PTS
Personal Trainer: 2 years.
University Student: Kinesiology & Health Sciences
(Working toward joining the CATA)

I’ve been down this road before too FutureGL and been exactly in your position and I can tell you generally why people hate personal trainers. Here are a few points.

  1. MOST gyms will hire anyone. Fat, skinny, tall, short, educated, uneducated, etc. The name of the game is SALES. Personal Trainers are salesmen and women. Bottom line. They pump up him or her into believing they can change peoples lives and then send them out to SELL. Contracts are signed between the company and the client NOT the trainer. It’s really kind of a snaky business. Some people do get it right though and trainers are hit and miss but at the gym I worked for the average PT lasts about 3-6 weeks! Unfortunately as you can see that kind of environment doesn’t breed good trainers and offers a poor environment for clients. Imagine spending $1500.00 over 3-4 months and you end up with 2-3 different trainers. NO GOOD! And that’s just the surface of the business.

  2. Again, going back to the sales. There is no time put into relationships between trainer and client. They are treated more like cattle to whomever is available. This is not fair for the client or the trainer. Remember, SALES is king and is the highest priority. This makes the trainer and gym look bad.

I wanted to touch on this too,but didn’t know where to start.
These two points about the industry are very true.
I know of many people who were employed or accepted onto fast-track funded courses,not because of their passion for fitness,their appraoch or philosophies,not because of their qualifications,but because they have a PROVEN SALES BACKGROUND and little sympathy.
If you want to be the most employable PT around,in the eyes of many major chains,I hate to say it,but get a job in sales first,the most aggresive,underhand sales job going.
Selling used cars,telesales with cold-calling,stockbroking or selling for a fly-by-night ‘Boiler Room’ type comapny currently under indictment or federal investigation for aggresive salesmanship,you name it,it’s all good in their eyes.
Most chain gyms will look at this first,rather than qualifications-an establishment focusing on quality will do the opposite.
I hate to say it,but the PT’s who made the most money the fastest in those type of set-ups I have worked in were often arrogant and saw every client as cattle.
To say many of their sales techniques were underhand,and that some of the advice was morally questionable is an understatement-The biggest sellers intimidated members in the gym,ridiculed them and made them feel inferior,that was their sales approach,and it worked,and it was encouraged.
A typical sales pitch as I heard it from some of these guys was to tell a member how fat and/or stupid he looked doing his workout,how none of what they did is gonna work,illustrate in the most humiliating way how little they know,with no sympathy,get them doing several exercises and stretches that required assistance,and deliberately used over-complicated,even fictional names for the exercises muscles worked,to further make the potential client feel out of his depth-For these kinda guys and gals,a typical ‘induction’ (where the emphasis is supposed to be on getting to know the clients wants/needs/goals,orientating them to the gym,and maybe giving them a sample programme,discussing classes,services,etc.) is supposed to last an hour,spent chatting,mostly informally,to the new member.That shit lasts about a week for these guys-they get the chat down to 2/3 minutes,and the PT sales pitch/express consultation materialises,is aggresively shoehorned in over the next 5 minutes,and the rest of the hour turns into a sample PT session,whether the client wants it or not-You think these guys give a shit about whether you have questions about the circuits class? shut the fk up and sign the form,3 sessions a week,thats what you need-no,checking in once a week is not gonna do anything for you,and it’s actually mmore expensive,I’m trying to save YOU money here,etc…etc…
I had a client booked and sent to me for a consultation for an exercise programme-she was over 6 months pregnant.I apologised for the error and explained that I am currently only qualified to train or advise General Populations,dismissed her and told her I would be referring her to a PT with a experience and a respected qualification in this field (Pre & Post Natal Exercise)
and will call her later that afternoon with thenew appointment details.
I found my Supervisor,also an experienced PT,less than sympathetic-he saw it as just another member I could have sold PT to,to meet my target,to meet his target,to meet the club target,etc. he said I could have just given her a programme and ‘made the sale’-fk me,am I selling used cars?
Anyway,not all places are like that,I think if you want to make money and don’t give a shit about people,go for it.If you want to work in a quality establishment,I feel it is a bad choice going for one that is a gym first and foremost and has strict targets to meet,as this basically sets up the gym floor as a kind of ‘hunting ground’,where PT’s are pumped up to close the deal no matter what-fk how the client feels,fk quality control,many places are out to make a buck.
I had more feedback and training on my sales approach than on my approach to PT.
Notice I said the ones who made the most money the FASTEST were like this-I didn’t say they were the best PT’s-the ones who connect with people,enjoy what they do,have a passion for fitness,and focus on quality and results and professionalism,will,in most cases,make more money in the long run,gain a respected reputation that proceeds them-If you focus on being the best and on results,ultimately you will find in the long run,you can work less hours,potential clients find YOU,they remain loyal,and you can charge more.
It’s just slower.
I’d rather work in an establishment like a Personal Training Studio,or somewhere where people know what they are being sold and what you are about from day one,so you are not forced to interrupt someones workout with a corny sales pitch.
Failing that,a smaller/independent gym that doesn’t have ‘targets’ where pT is more of a sideline rather than something they aggresively pitch.
I plan to work for myself in the long run,firstly in peoples homes/offices/a local park,etc. then with my own PT studio and a seperate gym,and it will be the opposite of how these shady clubs operate.
The emphasis for many of these places is not educating people to be independent,or getting them to know their body,or focusing on quality,it’s about creating smoke and mirrors with as many machines and devices and classes as possible,and aggresively signing people up to as many PT sessions a week as possible for as LONG as possible.
Shady operators tend to treat people like mushrooms-
Keep 'em in the dark and feed 'em shit
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Wall of Text FTW?

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[quote]optheta wrote:
Wall of Text FTW?
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What’s FTW?
Wall of text? you mean it’s too long,or not laid out in neat little paragraphs?
fuck me,on other threads I get jumped on for hitting enter too much,now I’m too paranoid to touch it and get pulled up! -I have ADD,I tend to ramble,I have shitty spatial awareness when writing/typing and formatting or layouts,yes.I read far more forum stuff and textbooks than actual newspapers/magazines/regular books.

I’m working on it…jeez,a lot of you motherfuckers need to seriously work on your spelling and grammar,but I don’t go around pulling everyone up on it.
Maybe I’ll start…
The basis of communication is getting people to understand what you’re rambling on about,as long as the grammar/spelling isn’t absolutely terrible,I still get the message,so who gives a flying fuck whether tomorrow has 1 ‘M’ or 2,or 1 ‘R’ or 2?

I’m not gonna mistake it for any other word am I?
Not having a go at you particularly,just a general rant.

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FTW = for the win, he was just poking fun at your post style

Crusher: thanks a lot for the response, sounds like you definitely know your way around the business. I had heard from a number of people that working in huge gyms/clubs was hell – I didn’t realize how sale oriented the whole thing is.

Addressing points 3 and 4:
3: So as an ACE cert., you’re right that I am not properly educated nor am i qualified to advise nutrition. I can have my clients maintain a diet log, but really if I see a problem it’s my job to refer them to a registered dietician. (this shouldn’t be a problem based on where I will work at first… more on this later)

4: The way ACE works is based on CAD risk factors for physician clearance. Two or more and their doc needs to sign off. I also realize that a lot of people get PTs because they have to for medical reasons and I see it as part of my job to get them to eventually internally motivate.

As for where I’ll first be training! Hopefully this revelation won’t come back to hit me in the long run, but I’m a student at Johns Hopkins University in Baltimore. I’ll be personal training at the recreation center here and the way it works is that the center pays for my insurance. So my wages will be considerably lower than at most commercial gyms, but it’s great experience in the mean time and much safer for me until I go out into the scary world of Gold’s and Bally’s and lord help me Planet Fitness.

That being said, (point #3) I have access to terrific dieticians and specialists.

I’m not in this for the money. This will most likely never become my primary career track, it’s just something I’m passionate about.

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[quote]FutureGL wrote:
FTW = for the win, he was just poking fun at your post style

Crusher: thanks a lot for the response, sounds like you definitely know your way around the business. I had heard from a number of people that working in huge gyms/clubs was hell – I didn’t realize how sale oriented the whole thing is.

Addressing points 3 and 4:
3: So as an ACE cert., you’re right that I am not properly educated nor am i qualified to advise nutrition. I can have my clients maintain a diet log, but really if I see a problem it’s my job to refer them to a registered dietician. (this shouldn’t be a problem based on where I will work at first… more on this later)

4: The way ACE works is based on CAD risk factors for physician clearance. Two or more and their doc needs to sign off. I also realize that a lot of people get PTs because they have to for medical reasons and I see it as part of my job to get them to eventually internally motivate.

As for where I’ll first be training! Hopefully this revelation won’t come back to hit me in the long run, but I’m a student at Johns Hopkins University in Baltimore. I’ll be personal training at the recreation center here and the way it works is that the center pays for my insurance. So my wages will be considerably lower than at most commercial gyms, but it’s great experience in the mean time and much safer for me until I go out into the scary world of Gold’s and Bally’s and lord help me Planet Fitness.

That being said, (point #3) I have access to terrific dieticians and specialists.

I’m not in this for the money. This will most likely never become my primary career track, it’s just something I’m passionate about.[/quote]

Sounds good!

It seems like your in a good situation where you are, which can make all the difference. I wouldn’t knock your wage though, I started making $12.00 an HR and charging clients $50.00. Figure that out!

Good luck with the job and congratulations on passing your ACE exam. I was going to take the same one but opted out for the NSCA. Both are very high quality in my books. If you have any questions along the way feel free to shoot me a PM.

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[quote]mahwah wrote:
Well, I’m sure you are gonna get a lot of squat rack curl-type answers, but I will give you a heads up on one of my pet peeves.

Be professional. Show up on time. Don’t talk on your cellphone during sessions. Don’t spend any amount of the client’s time eating. No flipflops. Listen and teach more than you talk. Practice what you preach. Continue to learn.

Don’t be a douchebag, basically.

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Every time I’m at the gym… When I see a female trainer, “training” a guy, I see them 70% of the time socializing and barely lifting a weight. If anything, its those 2lb pink weights. She’s making lots of money while just socializing. The guys would have been better off paying a hooker, because for sure he would have a better workout.

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[quote]aznt0rk
The guys would have been better off paying a hooker, because for sure he would have a better workout.
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HEY!! have you been looking at my training log??

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Most trainers that are serious are either independent, have their own little place set up or work at a gym where training is a priority not sales. I would highly suggest against working at any commercial gym. Visit the gym and when interviewing you should be able to tell weather the gym is about sales or actually training and getting results for clients.

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[quote]Ace Rimmer wrote:
aznt0rk
The guys would have been better off paying a hooker, because for sure he would have a better workout.

HEY!! have you been looking at my training log??[/quote]

you really need to stick to one line posts. I mean fuck man, that shit above was atrocious.

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Yeah,but that would’ve taken forever in one-line segments!
For a guy new to the industry,I wanted to get him off on the right foot.
I got emotional there! It kind of turned into a lecture/mission statement.
I just had to get some shit off my chest…wew! that’s better.It’s been building up for a while.

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Maybe it’s just at my gym, but the trainers there are terrible for two reasons:

  1. They carry on a conversation about something completely random and unrelated to lifting during the trainee’s set. I don’t know why anybody would do this. How the hell can you focus and push yourself when you’re having a conversation about last weekend at your grandmother’s house??

  2. They sometimes get sidetracked talking to other gym members who aren’t paying to have the trainers attention. This bothers me to no end because sometimes it’s because the trainer feels the need to tell somebody they’re doing something “wrong.” If the person isn’t paying you for your “advice,” it’s probably for a reason!