Why You Should Support GOP Nominee

[quote]Sloth wrote:

The incrementalist arguement doesn’t cut it for me anymore, because it seems to mean moving the party incrementally towards the left. Nor, does the GoP’s “You gotta vote for us, think of the Justices!” I know the GoP is bankrupt when it has to resort to fostering a sense of dependancy on them. Like an abused house wife, actually. Geeze. [/quote]

Pro life is important to you, but the composition of the USSC isn’t a big deal?

[quote]Sloth wrote:
I’ll wait and see who the Constitution Party runs, but I can tell you right now, McCain will not get my vote. I’ve already made my peace, however difficult it was, over the Dems winning big.[/quote]

I certainly hope you have come to a peace with it, because if more people who would have otherwise voted GOP take your position, that will be the result.

Hopefully you can at least bring yourself to vote for and support your local GOP congressional candidate(s).

More from Powerline:

Reality Check

[i]I’ve long been dismayed by the fury of many conservatives’ attacks on John McCain. I understand why McCain is not some conservatives’ first choice for the nomination, but the ongoing effort to read him out of the conservative movement has gone way too far. To assert, as some have, that there is “really” no difference between McCain (average ADA rating from 2002 through 2006 of 23%) and Hillary Clinton (average ADA rating over the same period of 96%) is the kind of never-mind-the-facts shrillness that we expect from the Left, not from our fellow conservatives.

Of the principal Republican candidates this year, John McCain was one of two (Fred Thompson was the other) who could plausibly claim to be a life-long conservative. Is he “pure”? No, but who is? Certainly not Mitt Romney. Not me, either, for that matter. There are several important issues where I part company with McCain, but to put my disagreements with McCain on a par with my disagreements with Hillary Clinton or Barack Obama–life-long liberals, both–would be absurd.

My biggest concerns about McCain relate to the economy. His uncritical endorsement of anthropogenic global warming theory, combined with his advocacy of a U.S.-only carbon cap and trade system, suggest a failure to understand the practical consequences of government actions on the economy. But, again: if we have a choice between McCain, who will need expert advice on how to translate his conservative instincts into effective public policy, and Hillary Clinton or Barack Obama, whose purpose will be to socialize broad swaths of the economy and increase the power of government relative to the private sector, is it really a close question?

Moreover, the President’s pre-eminent responsibility is national security. No one doubts McCain’s qualifications or his resolve where they most matter.

It’s sad to acknowledge, but some of my favorite conservatives are among those who have gone around the bend in their incessant attacks on McCain. Laura Ingraham has a superb radio show and has been very kind to this site. But, frankly, I can no longer listen to her bash McCain day after day. I’ve started tuning in to a local sports talk show instead.

Other conservatives, thankfully, are (in my view) voices of reason. No one has supported Mitt Romney more enthusiastically than Hugh Hewitt. But this morning, Hugh acknowledged that, while the battle is not over, John McCain “has a clear path to the nomination.” Hugh offeredseven reasons to support the GOP’s nominee:

[I]t is very possible to play full contact politics without the threat of going home if your team loses. The stakes in the fall are far too high for that.

Roger Simon is not exactly a conservative, but he is with us on what I consider to be the most vital issues of our time. Today, he wrote a thoughtful piece on McCain and the conservatives, in which he suggested that when McCain attends CPAC, maybe conservatives should try to learn something from him, too:

[W]hat I haven�??t seen anywhere is much interest by the conservatives in what they might learn from McCain �?? an odd phenomenon since he cleaned their clocks on Super Tuesday. Yet McCain is being asked to eat humble pie, not Rush Limbaugh.

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So I have a suggestion for the attendees at CPAC. You are expecting John McCain to meet you at least halfway (or maybe more) on Thursday. Why don�??t you think about meeting him halfway as well? He has something to do that you don�??t. He has to win a presidential election. The American electorate is in the middle. If you force him too much over to your side, in the name of ideological purity you will have elected your opponents.

See also Victor Davis Hanson’s comments on the anti-McCain animus, and Bill Whittle’s comments on political parties as quoted by Glenn Reynolds.

It’s worth remembering, too, that since Calvin Coolidge, exactly one conservative ideologue has been elected President. In that context, the “nominate a purist or I’ll go home” attitude of too many conservatives is short-sighted at best.

John McCain will not be a perfect Presidential nominee. Then again, we didn’t have any perfect candidates this year. (Funny how often that seems to happen.) How odd, though, for conservatives, of all people, to be the ones to hold out for perfection in human affairs. And despite his flaws as a candidate, John McCain has at least one major strength: he might actually win.

So, let’s finish out the primary season. It’s not over yet, lightning could strike, and Romney might wind up as our nominee. Most likely, though, John McCain will be the Republican standard-bearer. We could do a whole lot worse. Within the party, it’s time to dial down the hyperbole, quit burning bridges and start building them.[/i]

Three words to sum up why you should support the GOP nominee if Hillary is the Democratic nominee:

Justice William Clinton

[quote]BostonBarrister wrote:
This post by Ilya Somin is aimed at McCain, but the argument excerpted below, which critiques the hope that a weak Democrat president would necessarily lead to a strengthened and more conservative GOP, would be applicable to either McCain or Romney: [/quote]

This just in: Mitt’s out!

Now all you can do is pray that Hillary gets the nomination so that the GOP doesn’t lose by a landslide.

[quote]lixy wrote:
BostonBarrister wrote:
This post by Ilya Somin is aimed at McCain, but the argument excerpted below, which critiques the hope that a weak Democrat president would necessarily lead to a strengthened and more conservative GOP, would be applicable to either McCain or Romney:

This just in: Mitt’s out!

Now all you can do is pray that Hillary gets the nomination so that the GOP doesn’t lose by a landslide.[/quote]

Really?

Here are the latest head-to-head polls with McCain against either Hillary or Obama:

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/national.html

The average has McCain ahead of Hillary, and behind Obama by the margin of error.

Now, wouldn’t it be grand if Hillary and Obama were staging a knock-down, drag-out fight against each other all the way to the convention, whereas McCain could build his warchest and do campaigning against the Democrats: Breitbart News Network ; http://www.nysun.com/article/70857

[quote]BostonBarrister wrote:
lixy wrote:
BostonBarrister wrote:
This post by Ilya Somin is aimed at McCain, but the argument excerpted below, which critiques the hope that a weak Democrat president would necessarily lead to a strengthened and more conservative GOP, would be applicable to either McCain or Romney:

This just in: Mitt’s out!

Now all you can do is pray that Hillary gets the nomination so that the GOP doesn’t lose by a landslide.

Really?

Here are the latest head-to-head polls with McCain against either Hillary or Obama:

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/national.html

The average has McCain ahead of Hillary, and behind Obama by the margin of error.

Now, wouldn’t it be grand if Hillary and Obama were staging a knock-down, drag-out fight against each other all the way to the convention, whereas McCain could build his warchest and do campaigning against the Democrats: Breitbart News Network ; http://www.nysun.com/article/70857[/quote]

McCain is the only white male Democrat left in the race. Seems he will get a lot of votes on that alone.

[quote]Sloth wrote:
I’m not a single issue voter, but there are stances I won’t compromise on.

  1. Scaling back our commitments to defend foreign nations (to just about none).
  2. Securing the borders and booting out illegals (attrition can do alot). Johnny come lately’s to this issue need not apply for my vote.
  3. Liquidation of federal programs and departments while decentralizing power and responsibility back to the states (dump No Child left Behind, NEA, and the Dept. of Ed., for examples).
  4. Big spendings cuts. Not slowing the rate of growth, but true cuts. 1., 2, and 3. will go a good ways to getting there.
  5. And, yes, the Pro-life position is important to me.
  6. Taxes. You know, as long as there are real and substantial cuts in spending, I could wait on further tax cuts, and tax reform in general. It doesn’t have to be an immediate goal on day one of the administration.

I’ll vote for a candidate running on such a platform. Unless, of course, he’s obviously pandering on those issues. No flip-floppers.

The incrementalist arguement doesn’t cut it for me anymore, because it seems to mean moving the party incrementally towards the left. Nor, does the GoP’s “You gotta vote for us, think of the Justices!” I know the GoP is bankrupt when it has to resort to fostering a sense of dependancy on them. Like an abused house wife, actually. Geeze.

I’ll wait and see who the Constitution Party runs, but I can tell you right now, McCain will not get my vote. I’ve already made my peace, however difficult it was, over the Dems winning big.[/quote]

Agree with you on all counts. But I’m pretty sure I will be voting for McCain.

[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
McCain is the only white male Democrat left in the race. Seems he will get a lot of votes on that alone.[/quote]

Yes. The more reason to expect a decent showing from Ron Paul.

[quote]lixy wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
McCain is the only white male Democrat left in the race. Seems he will get a lot of votes on that alone.

Yes. The more reason to expect a decent showing from Ron Paul.[/quote]

Paul got hammered on Tuesday. I would not expect a decent showing from him at all.

Some more sound law-professor wisdom:

[i]Losing by Losing
Maimon Schwarzschild

Mike makes an engaging case that a McCain presidency might either saddle Republicans with responsibility for policies they don’t really support, or foreclose conservative/libertarians from re-emerging as a successful political movement; so it would be better if McCain were to lose the general election, assuming he is the Repulican nominee, and for Mrs Clinton to win. Mike seems less sure - for good reason, I think - about preferring Barrack Obama as well.

Mike takes an optimistic view - from a conservative/libertarian point of view - of what would follow from a Clinton administration. Optimism is very American, but pessimism, or at least caution, is characteristically conservative.

What can be expected from a Clinton or Obama presidency with a Democratic House and Senate?

(1) A quick withdrawal from Iraq, with every likelihood that Iraqi supporters of democracy and opponents of jihad will targeted as “collaborators” with the absconded Americans, and very possibly massacred. For years to come, this will be an object lesson around the world to anyone who considers making common cause with the United States. In Latin America, the Middle East and the Gulf, in Asia, everywhere, the lesson will be clear: never defy the anti-American Left, because the United States is always one election away from abandoning you and leaving you to your fate.

(2) Socialised medicine. It may transform medical care for the worse - and massively discourage the flow of research and new treatment that free markets have fostered in recent decades - but it will be virtually impossible to reverse or reform once embarked on. This has certainly been the European and Canadian experience. (Of course Canadians in very large numbers seek medical care in the US. Where will Americans go?) Imperfect analogy: many academics suspect or believe that the tenure system isn’t good for the academy - but how many would willingly give up tenure once they have it?

(3) Effectively unrestricted immigration, at least from Mexico and Central America. Driving licences for illegal immigrants are the symbol (and effective vehicle, as it were) for such a policy.

(4) A leftist federal judiciary, and enlisting the United States in the “transnational” trends now fostered by the European Union and by the (very partisan and ideologised) world human rights lobbies.

John McCain has one of the most conservative voting records in the Senate. His views about immigration are very likely different from mine. I think the McCain-Feingold law is thoroughly bad. But as someone has pointed out in the last few days, there has been only one ideological conservative elected President since Calvin Coolidge, and Ronald Reagan himself supported or acquiesced in many things (or at least some things) that conservatives-libertarians-fusionists might reject or even deplore.

Reagan isn’t on the ballot this year. No keeping cool with Coolidge either. Winning by losing would be nice. Beware - says the chastened conservative voice - of losing by losing.
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Also, thus far the Dems are flailing to find good attacks against McCain:

http://www.weeklystandard.com/weblogs/CampaignStandard/2008/02/the_democrats_in_trouble_1.asp

I particularly hope Clinton is the nominee - aside from her motivating the GOP base, she’d have to pivot on her current campaign stance: she’s tough (McCain is tougher); she’s experienced (McCain is more experienced), etc.

[quote]thunderbolt23 wrote:
BostonBarrister wrote:

There are seven reasons for anyone to support the eventual nominee no matter who it is: The war and six Supreme Court justices over the age of 68.

Here is the money quote.

“Talk radio” needs to get it through its head that should a Hillary or Obama get elected, even if the GOP can regather itself and refocus and win in 2012, a Supreme Court justice added to the Court by either Democrat will likely sit on that bench for 20-30 years.

As someone noted today, the “lose now, win later” strategy is, in reality “lose now, lose later”.

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You guys are under the assumption that McCain is capable of appointing a decent judge. I don’t share your delusions.

Remember - McCain was the guy who took a shit on the 1st Amendment. McCain-Feingold anyone?

In my 20-odd years of being a card carrying conservative, I have come to the realization that the Republican Party has lost its ability to lead. We do much better when we are the squeaky wheel, and unafraid of pissing off a fucking liberal.

When was the right at it’s zenith? When we had a left-wing president in 1994. But give the right a little power, and you can’t distinguish them from the Rostenkowski’s, or the Kennedy’s, or the Wright’s. Obama will go further to bring back the true conservative voice from the right than anything the republocrat McCain could do.

I can’t vote for McCain. The presidential race is a lose-lose proposition. I would at least rather have an admitted liberal in office than I would a piece of shit like McCain.

I will be checking the “Fuck 'em all and I hope they die” box.

[quote]Mick28 wrote:
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Do you honestly think that in this powerful media age that we live in a candidate that looks like Ike is going to be elected to the Presidency?

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You keep claiming she will be our next president. Make up your mind.

[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
Mick28 wrote:

Do you honestly think that in this powerful media age that we live in a candidate that looks like Ike is going to be elected to the Presidency?

You keep claiming she will be our next president. Make up your mind.[/quote]

That’s Ike as in Ike Moisha Broflovski. Your subconscious must have slipped in a “d” somewhere…

Yeah.

Here’s another good reason:

http://www.nytimes.com/glogin?URI=http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/08/us/politics/08cnd-bush.html&OQ=_rQ3D1Q26hp&OP=34a0f1f4Q2FQ2ANX6Q2AQ5CQ5BUeQ3AQ5BQ5BQ3C5Q2A5Q3BQ3BQ7DQ2AQ3B5Q2AQ3BQ7DQ2AQ7CeQ2A4Q5BRQ27Q3CQ27UeQ2AQ3BQ7DUHQ5CE6Q7CeSuSQ3ClR

[quote]rainjack wrote:

You guys are under the assumption that McCain is capable of appointing a decent judge. I don’t share your delusions.

Remember - McCain was the guy who took a shit on the 1st Amendment. McCain-Feingold anyone?

In my 20-odd years of being a card carrying conservative, I have come to the realization that the Republican Party has lost its ability to lead. We do much better when we are the squeaky wheel, and unafraid of pissing off a fucking liberal.

When was the right at it’s zenith? When we had a left-wing president in 1994. But give the right a little power, and you can’t distinguish them from the Rostenkowski’s, or the Kennedy’s, or the Wright’s. Obama will go further to bring back the true conservative voice from the right than anything the republocrat McCain could do.

I can’t vote for McCain. The presidential race is a lose-lose proposition. I would at least rather have an admitted liberal in office than I would a piece of shit like McCain.

I will be checking the “Fuck 'em all and I hope they die” box.

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Some pretty solid conservative legal minds are on the list of people who think McCain can appoint good judges:

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB120209536777639949.html?mod=opinion_main_commentaries

[i]McCain and the Supreme Court
By STEVEN G. CALABRESI and JOHN O. MCGINNIS
February 4, 2008; Page A14

The conservative movement has made enormous gains over the past three decades in restoring constitutional government. The Roberts Supreme Court shows every sign of building on these gains.

Yet the gulf between Democratic and Republican approaches to constitutional law and the role of the federal courts is greater than at any time since the New Deal. With a Democratic Senate, Democratic presidents would be able to confirm adherents of the theory of the “Living Constitution” – in essence empowering judges to update the Constitution to advance their own conception of a better world. This would threaten the jurisprudential gains of the past three decades, and provide new impetus to judicial activism of a kind not seen since the 1960s.

We believe that the nomination of John McCain is the best option to preserve the ongoing restoration of constitutional government. He is by far the most electable Republican candidate remaining in the race, and based on his record is as likely to appoint judges committed to constitutionalism as Mitt Romney, a candidate for whom we also have great respect.

We make no apology for suggesting that electability must be a prime consideration. The expected value of any presidential candidate for the future of the American judiciary must be discounted by the probability that the candidate will not prevail in the election. For other kinds of issues, it may be argued that it is better to lose with the perfect candidate than to win with an imperfect one. The party lives to fight another day and can reverse the bad policies of an intervening presidency.

The judiciary is different. On Jan. 20, 2009, six of the nine Supreme Court justices will be over 70. Most of them could be replaced by the next president, particularly if he or she is re-elected. Given the prospect of accelerating gains in modern medical technology, some of the new justices may serve for half a century. Even if a more perfect candidate were somehow elected in 2012, he would not be able to undo the damage, especially to the Supreme Court.

Accordingly, for judicial conservatives electability must be a paramount consideration. By all accounts, Mr. McCain is more electable than Mr. Romney. He runs ahead or even with Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama in the national polls, and actually leads the Democratic candidates in key swing states like Wisconsin. Mr. Romney trails well behind both Democratic candidates by double digits. The fundamental dynamic of this race points in Mr. McCain’s way as well. He appeals to independents, while Mr. Romney’s support is largely confined to Republicans.

With many more Republican senators up for re-election than Democrats, the nomination of Mr. Romney could easily lead to a Goldwater-like debacle, in which the GOP loses not only the White House but also its ability in practice to filibuster in the Senate. Thus, even if we believed that Mr. Romney’s judicial appointments were likely to be better than Mr. McCain’s – and we are not persuaded of that – we would find ourselves hard-pressed to support his candidacy, given that he is so much less likely to make any appointments at all.

In fact, there is no reason to believe that Mr. McCain will not make excellent appointments to the court. On judicial nominations, he has voted soundly in the past from Robert Bork in 1987 to Samuel Alito in 2006. His pro-life record also provides a surety that he will not appoint judicial activists.

We recognize that there are two plausible sources of disquiet. Mr. McCain is perhaps the foremost champion of campaign-finance regulation, regulation that is hard to square with the First Amendment. Still, a President McCain would inevitably have a broader focus. Securing the party’s base of judicial conservatives is a necessary formula for governance, as President Bush himself showed when he swiftly dropped the ill-conceived nomination of Harriet Miers.

Perhaps more important, because of the success of constitutionalist jurisprudence, a McCain administration would be enveloped by conservative thinking in this area. The strand of jurisprudential thought that produced Sen. Warren Rudman and Justice David Souter is no longer vibrant in the Republican Party.

Others are concerned that Mr. McCain was a member of the “Gang of 14,” opposing the attempt to end filibusters of judicial nominations. We believe that Mr. McCain’s views about the institutional dynamics of the Senate are a poor guide to his performance as president. In any event, the agreement of the Gang of 14 had its costs, but it played an important role in ensuring that Samuel Alito faced no Senate filibuster. It also led to the confirmation of Priscilla Owen, Janice Rogers Brown and Bill Pryor, three of President George W. Bush’s best judicial appointees to the lower federal courts.

Conservative complaints about Mr. McCain’s role as a member of the Gang of 14 seem to encapsulate all that is wrong in general with conservative carping over his candidacy. It makes the perfect the enemy of the very good results that have been achieved, thanks in no small part to Mr. McCain, and to the very likely prospect of further good results that might come from his election as president.

Messrs. Calabresi and McGinnis teach at Northwestern University Law School.[/i]

Ted Olson ( http://www.gibsondunn.com/Lawyers/tolson ) is also on board with McCain.

[quote]
BostonBarrister wrote:
Also, thus far the Dems are flailing to find good attacks against McCain:

http://www.weeklystandard.com/weblogs/CampaignStandard/2008/02/the_democrats_in_trouble_1.asp

I particularly hope Clinton is the nominee - aside from her motivating the GOP base, she’d have to pivot on her current campaign stance: she’s tough (McCain is tougher); she’s experienced (McCain is more experienced), etc.

Mick28 wrote:
Do you honestly think that in this powerful media age that we live in a candidate that looks like Ike is going to be elected to the Presidency?

Regardless who the democrats put up McCain will be defeated.[/quote]

He’s got the best shot of any of the Republican hopefuls - current or who have dropped out - and that’s especially true if Hillary is the nominee and the GOP base doesn’t sulk.