Why Won't Romney Release His Tax Returns?

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[quote]Dr.Matt581 wrote:

I would actually consider his academic record to be a greater (but not by much) circumstantial indicator of being fit for the job since I highly doubt that Romney does his own taxes. All his tax returns will show is that he had a good accountant and made a lot of money. Academic records at least will provide some objective insight his intellectual abilities and work ethic.
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Agreed. Obama’s supporters’ answer to questions that Obama lacked experience or success always involved an explanation as to how brilliant Obama is. Well, the colelge transcripts should certainly be relevant.

And Romney’s tax returns would basically demonstrate his savvy in hiring accountants and lawyers to maximize his wealth and estate planning. So, he can delegate to get the best results available. That isn’t bad news.

Using the tax returns to simply attack Romney for being rich isn’t going to to wrk. And the President himself own mutual funds that own investments in “outsourcing” companies, like Apple (one of the world’s most prominent outsourcers).

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[quote]StevenF wrote:
I know I’m Not the most intelligent guy but I can’t help but think that anyone who likes Obama is a complete fucking idiot. [/quote]

I personally know some thoughtful, intelligent and insightful people who support the President…and I know some completely clueless assholes who support him…

I ALSO personally know some thoughtful, intelligent and insightful people who support Romney…and some completely clueless assholes who do…

Mufasa

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[quote]StevenF wrote:
I know I’m Not the most intelligent guy [/quote]

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Seems like the consensus here is this:

  1. You guys think NOT revealing his taxes is a big WIN for Romney’s campaign (I don’t see the logic there, but hey, it’s PWI). Nobody could actually explain the GAIN there, but on the other hand, it’s easy to imagine he’s doing it to hide something. By not releasing, Romney insures that this will be a question that lasts all the way up to election day. Romney is relatively unknown to voters – not releasing keeps him a mystery. I don’t think voters want a mystery president, with looming questions (is he hiding money in offshore bank account? etc.) Just my opinion.

  2. You guys wish this thread was about anything else but Romney’s taxes (ZEB) or wish this thread was about Obama’s school transcripts, and one joker who still thinks the president’s birth certificate is questionable. Way to dodge the question, guys. I wonder if voters will accept a dodge, too?

Most people don’t give a shit what Obama’s grades were. He’s obviously smart. If Obama was campaigning on his great scholarship record, then maybe there would be the same interest in his transcripts. But he’s not. However, Romney’s running SPECIFICALLY on his financial expertise, but he doesn’t want anybody to examine his finances. That’s a huge question mark. Too bad you can’t see it.

Do you think the media likes unanswered questions (like WHY won’t he release his tax forms?) I know one of you guys will bring up the birth certificate… Hawaii did release his birth certificate, they just didn’t release it to every dipshit who demanded it (they got thousand s of requests). Also, withholding that wasn’t Obama’s call, it was a decision by the state of Hawaii.

When Romney releases his tax returns, will that be a flip-flop?

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[quote]thunderbolt23 wrote:

[quote]therajraj wrote:

And if I asserted it as fact, you would’ve had a point. I posted it for discussion, so no you don’t have a point.[/quote]

You said Obama’s campaign asserted it as fact, and I simply noted that they did not, but I have no doubts that they’d love to people to take it is fact and would love if people like you continued to misquote the claim.[/quote]

Did you even hear what Obama said?

http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/obama-criticizes-romney-corporate-tax-proposals/2012/07/16/gJQAleZOpW_video.html

Clearly, he is asserting it as fact.

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Just to add to what K2000 said:

  1. The GOP smells chum on the water with a very vulnerable President.

  2. The DEMS smell chum in the water with a weak Candidate who wasn’t even 5th or 6th choice in most Conservatives minds.

BOTH sides are going to attack, and attack HARD when they smell blood…

Mufasa

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[quote]Mufasa wrote:
Just to add to what K2000 said:

  1. The GOP smells chum on the water with a very vulnerable President.

  2. The DEMS smell chum in the water with a weak Candidate who wasn’t even 5th or 6th choice in most Conservatives minds.

BOTH sides are going to attack, and attack HARD when they smell blood…

Mufasa[/quote]

Indeed.

If there was something Obama could do to quick-fix the economy now, he would do it before the election. That’s a problem, which Obama can’t fix.

On the other hand, here’s a big unanswered question about Romney that he could settle TODAY if he wanted to, but he won’t. It’s only a problem for Romney because he’s allowing it to become a problem. It’s a problem that Romney CAN fix, but he WON’T. So, why not?

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[quote]K2000 wrote:
Seems like the consensus here is this:

  1. You guys think NOT revealing his taxes is a big WIN for Romney’s campaign (I don’t see the logic there, but hey, it’s PWI). Nobody could actually explain the GAIN there, but on the other hand, it’s easy to imagine he’s doing it to hide something. By not releasing, Romney insures that this will be a question that lasts all the way up to election day. Romney is relatively unknown to voters – not releasing keeps him a mystery. I don’t think voters want a mystery president, with looming questions (is he hiding money in offshore bank account? etc.) Just my opinion.

  2. You guys wish this thread was about anything else but Romney’s taxes (ZEB) or wish this thread was about Obama’s school transcripts, and one joker who still thinks the president’s birth certificate is questionable. Way to dodge the question, guys. I wonder if voters will accept a dodge, too?

Most people don’t give a shit what Obama’s grades were. He’s obviously smart. If Obama was campaigning on his great scholarship record, then maybe there would be the same interest in his transcripts. But he’s not. However, Romney’s running SPECIFICALLY on his financial expertise, but he doesn’t want anybody to examine his finances. That’s a huge question mark. Too bad you can’t see it.

Do you think the media likes unanswered questions (like WHY won’t he release his tax forms?) I know one of you guys will bring up the birth certificate… Hawaii did release his birth certificate, they just didn’t release it to every dipshit who demanded it (they got thousand s of requests). Also, withholding that wasn’t Obama’s call, it was a decision by the state of Hawaii.

When Romney releases his tax returns, will that be a flip-flop?
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Obama is trying to dodge his four years of total failure by even bringing up Romeny’s tax returns. How foolish, yet it’s his only chance to get the voters attention off of his dismal record as President. And…I bet if fails!

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[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]K2000 wrote:
Seems like the consensus here is this:

  1. You guys think NOT revealing his taxes is a big WIN for Romney’s campaign (I don’t see the logic there, but hey, it’s PWI). Nobody could actually explain the GAIN there, but on the other hand, it’s easy to imagine he’s doing it to hide something. By not releasing, Romney insures that this will be a question that lasts all the way up to election day. Romney is relatively unknown to voters – not releasing keeps him a mystery. I don’t think voters want a mystery president, with looming questions (is he hiding money in offshore bank account? etc.) Just my opinion.

  2. You guys wish this thread was about anything else but Romney’s taxes (ZEB) or wish this thread was about Obama’s school transcripts, and one joker who still thinks the president’s birth certificate is questionable. Way to dodge the question, guys. I wonder if voters will accept a dodge, too?

Most people don’t give a shit what Obama’s grades were. He’s obviously smart. If Obama was campaigning on his great scholarship record, then maybe there would be the same interest in his transcripts. But he’s not. However, Romney’s running SPECIFICALLY on his financial expertise, but he doesn’t want anybody to examine his finances. That’s a huge question mark. Too bad you can’t see it.

Do you think the media likes unanswered questions (like WHY won’t he release his tax forms?) I know one of you guys will bring up the birth certificate… Hawaii did release his birth certificate, they just didn’t release it to every dipshit who demanded it (they got thousand s of requests). Also, withholding that wasn’t Obama’s call, it was a decision by the state of Hawaii.

When Romney releases his tax returns, will that be a flip-flop?
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Obama is trying to dodge his four years of total failure by even bringing up Romeny’s tax returns. How foolish, yet it’s his only chance to get the voters attention off of his dismal record as President. And…I bet if fails![/quote]

What the heck are you talking about???

Romney is the one who insists on making his tax returns an ongoing story, by refusing to do what other candidates have done for the past 30 years or more. Romney could make this story go away, by releasing his tax returns ASAP. But he doesn’t. Romney is dragging it out. So, instead of everybody talking about Obama’s record, Romney is completely BLOWING his opportunity to focus the media on Obama.

Hmm, maybe this is a Romney rope-a-dope? Maybe Romney will wait and let this story build up, and bring Democrats out on a limb, only to embarrass them by revealing his tax returns are hiding nothing? Like the same way Obama clowned all the birthers by allowing them to speculate wildly then BAM. STFU! Could it be some 12th dimensional chess being played by Romney? Is he laying a trap?

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[quote]Mufasa wrote:

In reality, it is VERY doubtful that his returns will help his Campaign in the least.

Mufasa[/quote]

I know like three people on these boards that could even begin to understand the first two pages of the return, let alone anything that is going beyond “put interest income on this line”…

The general public has no clue what they are even looking at. And turn around and lie about the contents anyway. (The dumb horse credit bullshit I’ve seen floating around.)

So no, it isn’t going to help him, and it is largely irrelevant, so why bother? It is pure political bullshit, and at this point, the sole reason, Obama is pushing the class-warfare bullshit. Uninformed people are going to read these and suddenly become tax scholars, making up bullshit worse than they already do now.

I can only imagine, particularly if he releases the entire return including the extra reporting foreign activity requires, how fucking stupid most people are going to sound spouting off about what they don’t understand. Worst part is, other ignoramuses will think they are right.

Why intelligent people can’t see that, is beyond me. But hey, what Mitt did with his personal money is more important than what Obama did with mine I guess.

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[quote]K2000 wrote:
Romney is the one who insists on making his tax returns an ongoing story, by refusing to do what other candidates have done for the past 30 years or more.[/quote]

Maybe I’m wrong here, but aren’t people calling for more years than the candidates traditionally release?

I know you can find is 2010, and I would imagine he hasn’t even filed 2011 yet…

Two posts ago didn’t you just say the certificate wasn’t his call?

Which is it?

Are these situations analogous or not?

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[quote]K2000 wrote:

[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]K2000 wrote:
Seems like the consensus here is this:

  1. You guys think NOT revealing his taxes is a big WIN for Romney’s campaign (I don’t see the logic there, but hey, it’s PWI). Nobody could actually explain the GAIN there, but on the other hand, it’s easy to imagine he’s doing it to hide something. By not releasing, Romney insures that this will be a question that lasts all the way up to election day. Romney is relatively unknown to voters – not releasing keeps him a mystery. I don’t think voters want a mystery president, with looming questions (is he hiding money in offshore bank account? etc.) Just my opinion.

  2. You guys wish this thread was about anything else but Romney’s taxes (ZEB) or wish this thread was about Obama’s school transcripts, and one joker who still thinks the president’s birth certificate is questionable. Way to dodge the question, guys. I wonder if voters will accept a dodge, too?

Most people don’t give a shit what Obama’s grades were. He’s obviously smart. If Obama was campaigning on his great scholarship record, then maybe there would be the same interest in his transcripts. But he’s not. However, Romney’s running SPECIFICALLY on his financial expertise, but he doesn’t want anybody to examine his finances. That’s a huge question mark. Too bad you can’t see it.

Do you think the media likes unanswered questions (like WHY won’t he release his tax forms?) I know one of you guys will bring up the birth certificate… Hawaii did release his birth certificate, they just didn’t release it to every dipshit who demanded it (they got thousand s of requests). Also, withholding that wasn’t Obama’s call, it was a decision by the state of Hawaii.

When Romney releases his tax returns, will that be a flip-flop?
[/quote]

Obama is trying to dodge his four years of total failure by even bringing up Romeny’s tax returns. How foolish, yet it’s his only chance to get the voters attention off of his dismal record as President. And…I bet if fails![/quote]

What the heck are you talking about???

Romney is the one who insists on making his tax returns an ongoing story, by refusing to do what other candidates have done for the past 30 years or more. Romney could make this story go away, by releasing his tax returns ASAP. But he doesn’t. Romney is dragging it out. So, instead of everybody talking about Obama’s record, Romney is completely BLOWING his opportunity to focus the media on Obama.

Hmm, maybe this is a Romney rope-a-dope? Maybe Romney will wait and let this story build up, and bring Democrats out on a limb, only to embarrass them by revealing his tax returns are hiding nothing? Like the same way Obama clowned all the birthers by allowing them to speculate wildly then BAM. STFU! Could it be some 12th dimensional chess being played by Romney? Is he laying a trap?
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No.

Romney is doing what La Bamba did when it came to his birth certificate. It seems that the Left insists that being Black gives you a pass, but being a Mormon-Mexican does not. Can’t have it both ways bub.

If Obama thinks he can get reelected by crying about Mitty’s tax returns, he will lose.

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CB;

Again…TO ME it’s only relevant in that Romney needs to start defining himself and his vision (Which the “National Review” Op Ed alluded to).

Heck…many Conservatives don’t even know him or what he stands for.

They just know he’s “Not Obama”.

Maybe being “Not Obama” will be enough for him to win. In that case, the returns, again, are a non-issue.

Mufasa

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[quote]Mufasa wrote:

Heck…many Conservatives don’t even know him or what he stands for.

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That is because the dumb shit flops like no other, lol.

You can literally find webpages slaughtering him for being pro-choice, and womens sites hammering him for being pro-life.

The man isn’t consistent in his positions.

I’ve said it before, I’m not bullish on the guy. But I do feel like his regime will steal less of my money.

the other reason I see him the way I do, is he was governor of my state, lol.

He is pretty purple when it comes down to it, which I’m okay with. Santoram (sp?) is too right for me, and Obama bamboozeled us in my opinion.

People need to watch this, particularly those who support Obama. I know Romeny will do the same shit, so I’m not blind to it, but please, please, please watch this before you punch a ticket. Obama is a bold face liar.

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Counting Beans thinks Americans will be too stupid to understand Romney’s tax returns.

Sounds like a winning response. “I’d release my returns, but frankly you’re all too dumb to even know what it means”

Good luck with that.

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[quote]countingbeans wrote:

[quote]K2000 wrote:
Romney is the one who insists on making his tax returns an ongoing story, by refusing to do what other candidates have done for the past 30 years or more.[/quote]

Maybe I’m wrong here, but aren’t people calling for more years than the candidates traditionally release?

I know you can find is 2010, and I would imagine he hasn’t even filed 2011 yet…

Two posts ago didn’t you just say the certificate wasn’t his call?

Which is it?

Are these situations analogous or not?
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Romney filed one year so far, and says he will file this year when it’s ready. So, only two years total is what he plans. He submitted 20 years to the McCain campaign though, when they considered him for VP. So, Romney wants us to think you need LESS vetting when running for president?

As far as the birth certificate, I truly do not know if Hawaii got sick of all the BS and released the birth certificate, or if Obama instructed them to do it. It doesn’t matter, either way… the birthers were made to look like complete fools, and nobody takes them seriously now. I never paid any attention to it, because like most other sane people in America, I could recognize from a mile away that it was a meaningless diversion with no substance.

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[quote]K2000 wrote:

[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]K2000 wrote:
Seems like the consensus here is this:

  1. You guys think NOT revealing his taxes is a big WIN for Romney’s campaign (I don’t see the logic there, but hey, it’s PWI). Nobody could actually explain the GAIN there, but on the other hand, it’s easy to imagine he’s doing it to hide something. By not releasing, Romney insures that this will be a question that lasts all the way up to election day. Romney is relatively unknown to voters – not releasing keeps him a mystery. I don’t think voters want a mystery president, with looming questions (is he hiding money in offshore bank account? etc.) Just my opinion.

  2. You guys wish this thread was about anything else but Romney’s taxes (ZEB) or wish this thread was about Obama’s school transcripts, and one joker who still thinks the president’s birth certificate is questionable. Way to dodge the question, guys. I wonder if voters will accept a dodge, too?

Most people don’t give a shit what Obama’s grades were. He’s obviously smart. If Obama was campaigning on his great scholarship record, then maybe there would be the same interest in his transcripts. But he’s not. However, Romney’s running SPECIFICALLY on his financial expertise, but he doesn’t want anybody to examine his finances. That’s a huge question mark. Too bad you can’t see it.

Do you think the media likes unanswered questions (like WHY won’t he release his tax forms?) I know one of you guys will bring up the birth certificate… Hawaii did release his birth certificate, they just didn’t release it to every dipshit who demanded it (they got thousand s of requests). Also, withholding that wasn’t Obama’s call, it was a decision by the state of Hawaii.

When Romney releases his tax returns, will that be a flip-flop?
[/quote]

Obama is trying to dodge his four years of total failure by even bringing up Romeny’s tax returns. How foolish, yet it’s his only chance to get the voters attention off of his dismal record as President. And…I bet if fails![/quote]

What the heck are you talking about???

Romney is the one who insists on making his tax returns an ongoing story, by refusing to do what other candidates have done for the past 30 years or more. Romney could make this story go away, by releasing his tax returns ASAP. But he doesn’t. Romney is dragging it out. So, instead of everybody talking about Obama’s record, Romney is completely BLOWING his opportunity to focus the media on Obama.

Hmm, maybe this is a Romney rope-a-dope? Maybe Romney will wait and let this story build up, and bring Democrats out on a limb, only to embarrass them by revealing his tax returns are hiding nothing? Like the same way Obama clowned all the birthers by allowing them to speculate wildly then BAM. STFU! Could it be some 12th dimensional chess being played by Romney? Is he laying a trap?
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You should know better but you don’t. Romney has released the same number of years of tax returns as Ronald Reagan and every other candidate who has run for President over the past 50 years and that is the most recent two years. If he released two more years what would that prove? Would Obama then want two or three more years after that?

There is no story here none. Only a desperate President trying to hang on to his job by trying to create an issue where none exists.

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[quote]K2000 wrote:
Counting Beans thinks Americans will be too stupid to understand Romney’s tax returns.

Sounds like a winning response. “I’d release my returns, but frankly you’re all too dumb to even know what it means”

Good luck with that.[/quote]

Well, from what I could tell from your original post you didn’t understand that Romney only paid 15% in taxes because he was paying capital gains tax on his investments only. Whereas he already paid the full shot when the money was first earned. And now he paid an additional 15% on his investment income. Which by the way is the exact same amount that anyone would pay who has investments.

But I suspect that the average American would be fooled after hearing the democrats complain that Romney is getting away without paying his fair share (Even though he’s paid twice).

It’s called class ware fare, dividing America pitting one economic class against another in order to win an election. What a high minded person Obama is. What hope and change he has inspired.

LOL

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[quote]ZEB wrote:
Romney has released the same number of years of tax returns as Ronald Reagan and every other candidate who has run for President over the past 50 years and that is the most recent two years.[/quote]

That is what i thought I read as well.

[quote]

There is no story here none. Only a desperate President trying to hang on to his job by trying to create an issue where none exists.[/quote]

The people that are going to vote left, even if Stalin were running are eating this shit up. I don’t think the middle actually gives a shit.

NBCNEWS loves it though, ran the same headline all day, and they don’t typically do that.

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[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]K2000 wrote:

[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]K2000 wrote:
Seems like the consensus here is this:

  1. You guys think NOT revealing his taxes is a big WIN for Romney’s campaign (I don’t see the logic there, but hey, it’s PWI). Nobody could actually explain the GAIN there, but on the other hand, it’s easy to imagine he’s doing it to hide something. By not releasing, Romney insures that this will be a question that lasts all the way up to election day. Romney is relatively unknown to voters – not releasing keeps him a mystery. I don’t think voters want a mystery president, with looming questions (is he hiding money in offshore bank account? etc.) Just my opinion.

  2. You guys wish this thread was about anything else but Romney’s taxes (ZEB) or wish this thread was about Obama’s school transcripts, and one joker who still thinks the president’s birth certificate is questionable. Way to dodge the question, guys. I wonder if voters will accept a dodge, too?

Most people don’t give a shit what Obama’s grades were. He’s obviously smart. If Obama was campaigning on his great scholarship record, then maybe there would be the same interest in his transcripts. But he’s not. However, Romney’s running SPECIFICALLY on his financial expertise, but he doesn’t want anybody to examine his finances. That’s a huge question mark. Too bad you can’t see it.

Do you think the media likes unanswered questions (like WHY won’t he release his tax forms?) I know one of you guys will bring up the birth certificate… Hawaii did release his birth certificate, they just didn’t release it to every dipshit who demanded it (they got thousand s of requests). Also, withholding that wasn’t Obama’s call, it was a decision by the state of Hawaii.

When Romney releases his tax returns, will that be a flip-flop?
[/quote]

Obama is trying to dodge his four years of total failure by even bringing up Romeny’s tax returns. How foolish, yet it’s his only chance to get the voters attention off of his dismal record as President. And…I bet if fails![/quote]

What the heck are you talking about???

Romney is the one who insists on making his tax returns an ongoing story, by refusing to do what other candidates have done for the past 30 years or more. Romney could make this story go away, by releasing his tax returns ASAP. But he doesn’t. Romney is dragging it out. So, instead of everybody talking about Obama’s record, Romney is completely BLOWING his opportunity to focus the media on Obama.

Hmm, maybe this is a Romney rope-a-dope? Maybe Romney will wait and let this story build up, and bring Democrats out on a limb, only to embarrass them by revealing his tax returns are hiding nothing? Like the same way Obama clowned all the birthers by allowing them to speculate wildly then BAM. STFU! Could it be some 12th dimensional chess being played by Romney? Is he laying a trap?
[/quote]

You should know better but you don’t. Romney has released the same number of years of tax returns as Ronald Reagan and every other candidate who has run for President over the past 50 years and that is the most recent two years. If he released two more years what would that prove? Would Obama then want two or three more years after that?

There is no story here none. Only a desperate President trying to hang on to his job by trying to create an issue where none exists.[/quote]

Wrong. Here’s a list:

Romney’s record is fair game for scrutiny. If he wants to claim business expertise, then show your business records. Or let people wonder. That would be fine with me too :wink: