Why We Are in Afghanistan

Off Topic Politics & World Issues
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[quote]Neuromancer wrote:
Deorum wrote:
Neuromancer wrote:
What is with this ‘gold’ fantasy on these boards?Seriously,it just baffles the hell out of me.I would definitely go with Orion’s guns over gold acronym as being more representative of true moneymakers/control systems.The other two ,oil and drugs , I’m on board with.

uggh. your missing the point. gold, oil, and drugs are the RESOURCES of the earth. that is what wealth is based on. guns are not a resource. further more all the money is the world is supposed to be backed in GOLD. that was the original idea behind the paper money. it was a paper representation of the gold you had(under the governments custody) its what gave paper money its value. in its early days you could go into a bank, give them a dollor, and get its equivalent in gold as return.

the reason that you do not know the role gold plays in this world is because people like you(and me) will probably never have real wealth. sorry to say.

Riiight…so are diamonds,platinum,and any number of other substances.While I agree gold WAS the backing material for currency,that day has long passed.And the reason you and most of the other nod alongs think you know the role gold plays,is because I seriously doubt you have ever traded or bought and sold gold in any form other than buying jewelery,and maybe the odd Krugerand,if that.I have,and enough to know it’s rather a treacherous area,a bit like diamonds.Ever traded those?

If I have misjudged you,please correct me.But I guarantee you 99% of the people on this board could not judge what they were looking at in terms of karat,purity and chemical mix of whatever they were holding,and sell it in any other way than by going down to their local pawn broker or manufacturing jeweler.The fantasy of holding gold is just that,a fantasy.When the shit hits the financial fan in the way the gold nuts envisage,what are you going to do…go around like in the days of the pirates shaving off small amounts to barter for bread?I can go for the angle where gold may constitute a part of a balanced investment portfolio,if that’s your thing.But if you think in this day and age it’s adequate measure of wealth,I think you are sorely mistaken.

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I think you kind of miss the point of a gold currency.

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[quote]Neuromancer wrote:
Headhunter wrote:
Neuromancer wrote:
What is with this ‘gold’ fantasy on these boards?Seriously,it just baffles the hell out of me.I would definitely go with Orion’s guns over gold acronym as being more representative of true moneymakers/control systems.The other two ,oil and drugs , I’m on board with.

A country that has a huge gold reserve is usually more in charge of its own fate. Others will accept the currency more readily, even though explicit gold backing is an historical anacronym.

Betting on gold is a way of withdrawing from the current political system by the individual. Your wealth can’t be inflated away from you. But that’s another thread. :slight_smile:

I agree with you in part.You feel gold is a valuable part of your investment strategy?I won’t argue with that for a second.And as you correctly say,you are BETTING on gold.That implies a rather large element of risk.That’s not the same as the other poster I replied to who insists gold is a primary measure of wealth in today’s world.

As for the gold reserves making a country more in control of it’s own fate,I don’t agree.But as you correctly say,that’s for another thread.[/quote]

What I’m doing with gold is removing as much as possible my wealth from the world. I am withdrawing from the ‘game’. I’m not going to play in a game that’s rigged and where success is punished while failure is rewarded (think big banks).

Bailing out banks, destroying the dollar by running unimaginable deficits, setting up systems to deliberately take money from those who pay taxes to those who pay nothing — I want no part of it.

Sending young people to guard poppy growers was the last straw. (The original post was sarcasm and written in disgust.)

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[quote]orion wrote:
Neuromancer wrote:
Deorum wrote:
Neuromancer wrote:
What is with this ‘gold’ fantasy on these boards?Seriously,it just baffles the hell out of me.I would definitely go with Orion’s guns over gold acronym as being more representative of true moneymakers/control systems.The other two ,oil and drugs , I’m on board with.

uggh. your missing the point. gold, oil, and drugs are the RESOURCES of the earth. that is what wealth is based on. guns are not a resource. further more all the money is the world is supposed to be backed in GOLD. that was the original idea behind the paper money. it was a paper representation of the gold you had(under the governments custody) its what gave paper money its value. in its early days you could go into a bank, give them a dollor, and get its equivalent in gold as return.

the reason that you do not know the role gold plays in this world is because people like you(and me) will probably never have real wealth. sorry to say.

Riiight…so are diamonds,platinum,and any number of other substances.While I agree gold WAS the backing material for currency,that day has long passed.And the reason you and most of the other nod alongs think you know the role gold plays,is because I seriously doubt you have ever traded or bought and sold gold in any form other than buying jewelery,and maybe the odd Krugerand,if that.I have,and enough to know it’s rather a treacherous area,a bit like diamonds.Ever traded those?

If I have misjudged you,please correct me.But I guarantee you 99% of the people on this board could not judge what they were looking at in terms of karat,purity and chemical mix of whatever they were holding,and sell it in any other way than by going down to their local pawn broker or manufacturing jeweler.The fantasy of holding gold is just that,a fantasy.When the shit hits the financial fan in the way the gold nuts envisage,what are you going to do…go around like in the days of the pirates shaving off small amounts to barter for bread?I can go for the angle where gold may constitute a part of a balanced investment portfolio,if that’s your thing.But if you think in this day and age it’s adequate measure of wealth,I think you are sorely mistaken.

I think you kind of miss the point of a gold currency.[/quote]

Enlighten me,then we’ll see if I missed the point.

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Gold/Silver has been the only currency to stand the test of time. India realizes this that is why they are dumping the dollar.

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[quote]Neuromancer wrote:
orion wrote:
Neuromancer wrote:
Deorum wrote:
Neuromancer wrote:
What is with this ‘gold’ fantasy on these boards?Seriously,it just baffles the hell out of me.I would definitely go with Orion’s guns over gold acronym as being more representative of true moneymakers/control systems.The other two ,oil and drugs , I’m on board with.

uggh. your missing the point. gold, oil, and drugs are the RESOURCES of the earth. that is what wealth is based on. guns are not a resource. further more all the money is the world is supposed to be backed in GOLD. that was the original idea behind the paper money. it was a paper representation of the gold you had(under the governments custody) its what gave paper money its value. in its early days you could go into a bank, give them a dollor, and get its equivalent in gold as return.

the reason that you do not know the role gold plays in this world is because people like you(and me) will probably never have real wealth. sorry to say.

Riiight…so are diamonds,platinum,and any number of other substances.While I agree gold WAS the backing material for currency,that day has long passed.And the reason you and most of the other nod alongs think you know the role gold plays,is because I seriously doubt you have ever traded or bought and sold gold in any form other than buying jewelery,and maybe the odd Krugerand,if that.I have,and enough to know it’s rather a treacherous area,a bit like diamonds.Ever traded those?

If I have misjudged you,please correct me.But I guarantee you 99% of the people on this board could not judge what they were looking at in terms of karat,purity and chemical mix of whatever they were holding,and sell it in any other way than by going down to their local pawn broker or manufacturing jeweler.The fantasy of holding gold is just that,a fantasy.When the shit hits the financial fan in the way the gold nuts envisage,what are you going to do…go around like in the days of the pirates shaving off small amounts to barter for bread?I can go for the angle where gold may constitute a part of a balanced investment portfolio,if that’s your thing.But if you think in this day and age it’s adequate measure of wealth,I think you are sorely mistaken.

I think you kind of miss the point of a gold currency.

Enlighten me,then we’ll see if I missed the point.[/quote]

The whole idea is to base the money supply on something the government cannot control and that cannot be arbitrarily multiplied.

It is true as some skeptics say that gold has no intrinsic value, however they miss the point that nothing has any intrinsic value.

It just seems as you pointed out that in troubled times people dump the dollar and turn to gold. That right there is a clue as far as perceived value goes.

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[quote]orion wrote:
Neuromancer wrote:
orion wrote:
Neuromancer wrote:
Deorum wrote:
Neuromancer wrote:
What is with this ‘gold’ fantasy on these boards?Seriously,it just baffles the hell out of me.I would definitely go with Orion’s guns over gold acronym as being more representative of true moneymakers/control systems.The other two ,oil and drugs , I’m on board with.

uggh. your missing the point. gold, oil, and drugs are the RESOURCES of the earth. that is what wealth is based on. guns are not a resource. further more all the money is the world is supposed to be backed in GOLD. that was the original idea behind the paper money. it was a paper representation of the gold you had(under the governments custody) its what gave paper money its value. in its early days you could go into a bank, give them a dollor, and get its equivalent in gold as return.

the reason that you do not know the role gold plays in this world is because people like you(and me) will probably never have real wealth. sorry to say.

Riiight…so are diamonds,platinum,and any number of other substances.While I agree gold WAS the backing material for currency,that day has long passed.And the reason you and most of the other nod alongs think you know the role gold plays,is because I seriously doubt you have ever traded or bought and sold gold in any form other than buying jewelery,and maybe the odd Krugerand,if that.I have,and enough to know it’s rather a treacherous area,a bit like diamonds.Ever traded those?

If I have misjudged you,please correct me.But I guarantee you 99% of the people on this board could not judge what they were looking at in terms of karat,purity and chemical mix of whatever they were holding,and sell it in any other way than by going down to their local pawn broker or manufacturing jeweler.The fantasy of holding gold is just that,a fantasy.When the shit hits the financial fan in the way the gold nuts envisage,what are you going to do…go around like in the days of the pirates shaving off small amounts to barter for bread?I can go for the angle where gold may constitute a part of a balanced investment portfolio,if that’s your thing.But if you think in this day and age it’s adequate measure of wealth,I think you are sorely mistaken.

I think you kind of miss the point of a gold currency.

Enlighten me,then we’ll see if I missed the point.

The whole idea is to base the money supply on something the government cannot control and that cannot be arbitrarily multiplied.

It is true as some skeptics say that gold has no intrinsic value, however they miss the point that nothing has any intrinsic value.

It just seems as you pointed out that in troubled times people dump the dollar and turn to gold. That right there is a clue as far as perceived value goes.

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I appreciate and understand that.But what is essentially an emotional response to gold doesn’t make it any more viable as a real world currency.The day to day difficulties people will encounter make it useless.It’s all very romantic to hold gold and so on,but that’s about it.And for sure other things have intrinsic value.You’re hungry or thirsty,food and water have intrinsic value.You’re cold,oil and blankets have intrinsic value.Gold does not.Let’s say things go to shit.You’re telling me you’re going to trade with what?Jewelery?Krugerrands?Ingots?
I don’t see that panning out too well.

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[quote]Neuromancer wrote:
orion wrote:
Neuromancer wrote:
orion wrote:
Neuromancer wrote:
Deorum wrote:
Neuromancer wrote:
What is with this ‘gold’ fantasy on these boards?Seriously,it just baffles the hell out of me.I would definitely go with Orion’s guns over gold acronym as being more representative of true moneymakers/control systems.The other two ,oil and drugs , I’m on board with.

uggh. your missing the point. gold, oil, and drugs are the RESOURCES of the earth. that is what wealth is based on. guns are not a resource. further more all the money is the world is supposed to be backed in GOLD. that was the original idea behind the paper money. it was a paper representation of the gold you had(under the governments custody) its what gave paper money its value. in its early days you could go into a bank, give them a dollor, and get its equivalent in gold as return.

the reason that you do not know the role gold plays in this world is because people like you(and me) will probably never have real wealth. sorry to say.

Riiight…so are diamonds,platinum,and any number of other substances.While I agree gold WAS the backing material for currency,that day has long passed.And the reason you and most of the other nod alongs think you know the role gold plays,is because I seriously doubt you have ever traded or bought and sold gold in any form other than buying jewelery,and maybe the odd Krugerand,if that.I have,and enough to know it’s rather a treacherous area,a bit like diamonds.Ever traded those?

If I have misjudged you,please correct me.But I guarantee you 99% of the people on this board could not judge what they were looking at in terms of karat,purity and chemical mix of whatever they were holding,and sell it in any other way than by going down to their local pawn broker or manufacturing jeweler.The fantasy of holding gold is just that,a fantasy.When the shit hits the financial fan in the way the gold nuts envisage,what are you going to do…go around like in the days of the pirates shaving off small amounts to barter for bread?I can go for the angle where gold may constitute a part of a balanced investment portfolio,if that’s your thing.But if you think in this day and age it’s adequate measure of wealth,I think you are sorely mistaken.

I think you kind of miss the point of a gold currency.

Enlighten me,then we’ll see if I missed the point.

The whole idea is to base the money supply on something the government cannot control and that cannot be arbitrarily multiplied.

It is true as some skeptics say that gold has no intrinsic value, however they miss the point that nothing has any intrinsic value.

It just seems as you pointed out that in troubled times people dump the dollar and turn to gold. That right there is a clue as far as perceived value goes.

I appreciate and understand that.But what is essentially an emotional response to gold doesn’t make it any more viable as a real world currency.The day to day difficulties people will encounter make it useless.It’s all very romantic to hold gold and so on,but that’s about it.And for sure other things have intrinsic value.You’re hungry or thirsty,food and water have intrinsic value.You’re cold,oil and blankets have intrinsic value.Gold does not.Let’s say things go to shit.You’re telling me you’re going to trade with what?Jewelery?Krugerrands?Ingots?
I don’t see that panning out too well.[/quote]

First of all noone is suggesting carrying that gold around.

If there was to be a gold backed currency banknotes would simply be gold recepits and that hhas worked just fine.

Then, not even in emergency situations do food and water have any intrinsic value. They only matter because they happen to matter to you. If you were an arachnoid from the planet Zorg, they might not be worth anything, in fact they might be poison. That is not as far fetched as you think because it shows the difference between a subjective evaluation that is shared by most people and an intrinsic, i.e objective value.

Also, you describe a situation where division of labor is breaking down and we are thrown back to barter. Well then no currency would be of any value though I bet that a new one would immediately emerge.

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[quote]Headhunter wrote:
"The Afghan minister of counter narcotics says foreign troops are earning money from drug production in Afghanistan.

General Khodaidad Khodaidad said the majority of drugs are stockpiled in two provinces controlled by troops from the US, the UK, and Canada, IRNA reported on Saturday.

He went on to say that NATO forces are taxing the production of opium in the regions under their control.

Afghanistan is the world’s biggest supplier of opium.

Drug production in the Central Asian country has increased dramatically since the US-led invasion eight years ago.

A recent report by the United Nations states that Afghan opium is having a devastating impact on the world, killing thousands in consumer countries.

Meanwhile, The New York Times reported on Wednesday that Ahmad Wali Karzai, a brother of the Afghan president, is involved in the opium trade, meets with Taliban leaders, and is also a CIA operative."

http://www.presstv.ir/detail.aspx?id=110130&ionid=351020403

See, now THIS is intelligent. The market for narcotics is always going to be there, so control it and rake in the profits.

We should also conquer oil producing nations and control that too! Venezuela would be a good target – close to home and most Americans wouldn’t care. We can’t conquer Canada because they’re pretty nice people and too many here would object.

What other countries can we occupy, to make $$$ and/or control profitable markets?
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Shouldn’t there be a picture of “W” next to “the chosen one” (sarcasm)?

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[quote]orion wrote:
Neuromancer wrote:
orion wrote:
Neuromancer wrote:
orion wrote:
Neuromancer wrote:
Deorum wrote:
Neuromancer wrote:
What is with this ‘gold’ fantasy on these boards?Seriously,it just baffles the hell out of me.I would definitely go with Orion’s guns over gold acronym as being more representative of true moneymakers/control systems.The other two ,oil and drugs , I’m on board with.

uggh. your missing the point. gold, oil, and drugs are the RESOURCES of the earth. that is what wealth is based on. guns are not a resource. further more all the money is the world is supposed to be backed in GOLD. that was the original idea behind the paper money. it was a paper representation of the gold you had(under the governments custody) its what gave paper money its value. in its early days you could go into a bank, give them a dollor, and get its equivalent in gold as return.

the reason that you do not know the role gold plays in this world is because people like you(and me) will probably never have real wealth. sorry to say.

Riiight…so are diamonds,platinum,and any number of other substances.While I agree gold WAS the backing material for currency,that day has long passed.And the reason you and most of the other nod alongs think you know the role gold plays,is because I seriously doubt you have ever traded or bought and sold gold in any form other than buying jewelery,and maybe the odd Krugerand,if that.I have,and enough to know it’s rather a treacherous area,a bit like diamonds.Ever traded those?

If I have misjudged you,please correct me.But I guarantee you 99% of the people on this board could not judge what they were looking at in terms of karat,purity and chemical mix of whatever they were holding,and sell it in any other way than by going down to their local pawn broker or manufacturing jeweler.The fantasy of holding gold is just that,a fantasy.When the shit hits the financial fan in the way the gold nuts envisage,what are you going to do…go around like in the days of the pirates shaving off small amounts to barter for bread?I can go for the angle where gold may constitute a part of a balanced investment portfolio,if that’s your thing.But if you think in this day and age it’s adequate measure of wealth,I think you are sorely mistaken.

I think you kind of miss the point of a gold currency.

Enlighten me,then we’ll see if I missed the point.

The whole idea is to base the money supply on something the government cannot control and that cannot be arbitrarily multiplied.

It is true as some skeptics say that gold has no intrinsic value, however they miss the point that nothing has any intrinsic value.

It just seems as you pointed out that in troubled times people dump the dollar and turn to gold. That right there is a clue as far as perceived value goes.

I appreciate and understand that.But what is essentially an emotional response to gold doesn’t make it any more viable as a real world currency.The day to day difficulties people will encounter make it useless.It’s all very romantic to hold gold and so on,but that’s about it.And for sure other things have intrinsic value.You’re hungry or thirsty,food and water have intrinsic value.You’re cold,oil and blankets have intrinsic value.Gold does not.Let’s say things go to shit.You’re telling me you’re going to trade with what?Jewelery?Krugerrands?Ingots?
I don’t see that panning out too well.

First of all noone is suggesting carrying that gold around.

If there was to be a gold backed currency banknotes would simply be gold recepits and that hhas worked just fine.

Then, not even in emergency situations do food and water have any intrinsic value. They only matter because they happen to matter to you. If you were an arachnoid from the planet Zorg, they might not be worth anything, in fact they might be poison. That is not as far fetched as you think because it shows the difference between a subjective evaluation that is shared by most people and an intrinsic, i.e objective value.

Also, you describe a situation where division of labor is breaking down and we are thrown back to barter. Well then no currency would be of any value though I bet that a new one would immediately emerge.

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Can we safely agree that gold backed currency ,at this point in time,is not how things are?So for the sake of this argument,a gold backed currency is like a unicorn.Non existent.

So the role of gold then is not currency.It is at best a perceived hedge against dollar weakness.even in that the value is doubtful,but no matter.The bottom line is that the gold has value because it has a tenuous link to the currency,that you may be able to turn your gold into more dollars at some point down the road if you have gambled right.If the dollar disappears,your gold reserves are essentially worthless.
So its a temporary investment/hedge instrument at best,and not a very effective one in my opinion.But please,by all means buy all the gold you want.And feel as wealthy as you want.

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…hmm interesting thread…but to get back to the topic i think the reason troops go anywhere is always the same.

The people who decided to go there, whoever they are, have concluded that it will in someway benefit them. Either monetarily, politically, etc. It has nothing to do with the ‘helping’ citizens of the country being invaded or the ‘well being’ of citizens from the country of the invader.

While this may seem ‘evil’ or ‘wrong’ that is just the way it is. And fortunately for us, most of the regular citizens that live in the invading nations do end up benefiting from such evil acts as those same acts inevitably contribute to the economies of the developed world.

…for the average American or Canadian or UK guy to go on a 5000 kcal/day diet is very doable…not so much for your average guy in hmmm Afghanistan? sierra lione? etc.

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Just an opinion on the matter of gold (and I am in the jewelry industry, not retail but I am in the supply chain. What you think I hang out in west africa for fun?)…and as a side note, gold and diamonds are ENTIRELY different animals, but we can discuss the why’s of that later if anyone cares)…first of all, let’s consider one thing…there have been a lot of fiat currencies throughout time. Since the first coins were ever struck, governments have tried to force a value upon them that wasn’t always reflective of the perceived value of the metal (example, a roman emperor might have lightened the primary gold coin of the time, or added a lot of secondary metals, but ordered that it had the same value as the old coin). But throughout all known history, fiat currencies ultimately fail, and when times get unstable, people have always gone back to trading in gold and silver – even when the Eastern Roman Empire was nothing but one desperate city, or even after that fell, old byzantine coins stamped in more reliable times were active currency in Europe.

Yeah, it’s entirely illogical (ok there are a few important industrial uses for silver but again, not important for this discussion). Gold can’t do a damned thing. But people have always fallen back on gold and silver. So, if you argue against gold as a hedge to preserve wealth in times of economic uncertainty, you’re arguing against all of history all over the civilized world, including times when the civilized world became pretty uncivilized.

Incidentally, look up which countries have been buying up all the gold on the market. They are some major economies (and some regions that are being pointed to as the next economic superpowers), and they now hold a heck of a lot more gold than, for example, the United States.

Again, I’ll agree…it makes no sense. Other than being practically indestructible (yeah yeah I know about aqua regia you nerds), and pretty in the right setting, it’s…not that useful. But people always love it. After the next large-scale disaster (which may be, who knows, a month away or five hundred years away), all historical indications leads me to think that when the first dust clears, gold will be among the resources that will determine who will emerge as the new nobility/elite. It won’t be the only one, but I would wager that people will trade gold and silver before they trade in paper if there was another dark age.

And I’ll agree with the other statement that people who are saving necklaces and scrap gold are probably going to get screwed, but pure, solid gold ingots and coins will maintain a similar value in any time. One commonly used example – in the 1950’s, you could buy a nice new car for $5000. If you put that money in gold, you could buy a nice new car today, but the cash value would buy you a clunker. Even with said money in a bank, the interest accrued wouldn’t be that impressive especially in certain times of high inflation. In countries that have had more bank failures than have existed in the United States, everyone I know has a few ingots hidden here and there, and in places like the Brazilian-Surinamese border, you can go into towns and see signs where the prices for all goods are in pennyweight (one way of measuring gold), not in any nearby currency where inflation rates can be in the double or even triple digits in any given year.

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You all missed the boat on the original question. We are there because War is Big Business and that is who the politicos bow down to and say, “you want me to jump, how high?”. I’m no peacenik by any means, but the blatant opulence of this war and the Iraq war astounds me.

The reality is that it would have a big detriment on our economy if it were to suddenly end. Every nut bolt, raw material, metals and components that go into military equipment are of domestic origin and 100% made in the US. This is with regard to planes, weapons systems, munitions.

On the shitty end of the stick, you know more than a few politicians are getting taken care of for keeping all the balls of this juggling act in the air. If you think I’m full of crap, just go with the old saying, “follow the money if you want the real story”. The drug money is like finding change under your couch cushions in comparison. There is no altruistic angle either. Spreading democracy is a crock too. We could give a flying fuck about those once-removed camel jockeys and left-handed ass wipers.

BG

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[quote]Neuromancer wrote:
Deorum wrote:
Neuromancer wrote:
What is with this ‘gold’ fantasy on these boards?Seriously,it just baffles the hell out of me.I would definitely go with Orion’s guns over gold acronym as being more representative of true moneymakers/control systems.The other two ,oil and drugs , I’m on board with.

uggh. your missing the point. gold, oil, and drugs are the RESOURCES of the earth. that is what wealth is based on. guns are not a resource. further more all the money is the world is supposed to be backed in GOLD. that was the original idea behind the paper money. it was a paper representation of the gold you had(under the governments custody) its what gave paper money its value. in its early days you could go into a bank, give them a dollor, and get its equivalent in gold as return.

the reason that you do not know the role gold plays in this world is because people like you(and me) will probably never have real wealth. sorry to say.

Riiight…so are diamonds,platinum,and any number of other substances.While I agree gold WAS the backing material for currency,that day has long passed.And the reason you and most of the other nod alongs think you know the role gold plays,is because I seriously doubt you have ever traded or bought and sold gold in any form other than buying jewelery,and maybe the odd Krugerand,if that.I have,and enough to know it’s rather a treacherous area,a bit like diamonds.Ever traded those?

If I have misjudged you,please correct me.But I guarantee you 99% of the people on this board could not judge what they were looking at in terms of karat,purity and chemical mix of whatever they were holding,and sell it in any other way than by going down to their local pawn broker or manufacturing jeweler.The fantasy of holding gold is just that,a fantasy.When the shit hits the financial fan in the way the gold nuts envisage,what are you going to do…go around like in the days of the pirates shaving off small amounts to barter for bread?I can go for the angle where gold may constitute a part of a balanced investment portfolio,if that’s your thing.But if you think in this day and age it’s adequate measure of wealth,I think you are sorely mistaken.

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holy… man your missing it.

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[quote]Deorum wrote:
Neuromancer wrote:
Deorum wrote:
Neuromancer wrote:
What is with this ‘gold’ fantasy on these boards?Seriously,it just baffles the hell out of me.I would definitely go with Orion’s guns over gold acronym as being more representative of true moneymakers/control systems.The other two ,oil and drugs , I’m on board with.

uggh. your missing the point. gold, oil, and drugs are the RESOURCES of the earth. that is what wealth is based on. guns are not a resource. further more all the money is the world is supposed to be backed in GOLD. that was the original idea behind the paper money. it was a paper representation of the gold you had(under the governments custody) its what gave paper money its value. in its early days you could go into a bank, give them a dollor, and get its equivalent in gold as return.

the reason that you do not know the role gold plays in this world is because people like you(and me) will probably never have real wealth. sorry to say.

Riiight…so are diamonds,platinum,and any number of other substances.While I agree gold WAS the backing material for currency,that day has long passed.And the reason you and most of the other nod alongs think you know the role gold plays,is because I seriously doubt you have ever traded or bought and sold gold in any form other than buying jewelery,and maybe the odd Krugerand,if that.I have,and enough to know it’s rather a treacherous area,a bit like diamonds.Ever traded those?

If I have misjudged you,please correct me.But I guarantee you 99% of the people on this board could not judge what they were looking at in terms of karat,purity and chemical mix of whatever they were holding,and sell it in any other way than by going down to their local pawn broker or manufacturing jeweler.The fantasy of holding gold is just that,a fantasy.When the shit hits the financial fan in the way the gold nuts envisage,what are you going to do…go around like in the days of the pirates shaving off small amounts to barter for bread?I can go for the angle where gold may constitute a part of a balanced investment portfolio,if that’s your thing.But if you think in this day and age it’s adequate measure of wealth,I think you are sorely mistaken.

holy… man your missing it.[/quote]

That’s your opinion and you’re entitled to it.Personally,I think you’re off with the fairies.Buy all the bullion you want if it makes you happy…

Edit:I see you’re in high school.My congratulations on having broad interests,it will serve you well in the future.But you telling me what I may or may not be missing is a bit of a laugh.

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[quote]Neuromancer wrote:
Deorum wrote:
Neuromancer wrote:
Deorum wrote:
Neuromancer wrote:
What is with this ‘gold’ fantasy on these boards?Seriously,it just baffles the hell out of me.I would definitely go with Orion’s guns over gold acronym as being more representative of true moneymakers/control systems.The other two ,oil and drugs , I’m on board with.

uggh. your missing the point. gold, oil, and drugs are the RESOURCES of the earth. that is what wealth is based on. guns are not a resource. further more all the money is the world is supposed to be backed in GOLD. that was the original idea behind the paper money. it was a paper representation of the gold you had(under the governments custody) its what gave paper money its value. in its early days you could go into a bank, give them a dollor, and get its equivalent in gold as return.

the reason that you do not know the role gold plays in this world is because people like you(and me) will probably never have real wealth. sorry to say.

Riiight…so are diamonds,platinum,and any number of other substances.While I agree gold WAS the backing material for currency,that day has long passed.And the reason you and most of the other nod alongs think you know the role gold plays,is because I seriously doubt you have ever traded or bought and sold gold in any form other than buying jewelery,and maybe the odd Krugerand,if that.I have,and enough to know it’s rather a treacherous area,a bit like diamonds.Ever traded those?

If I have misjudged you,please correct me.But I guarantee you 99% of the people on this board could not judge what they were looking at in terms of karat,purity and chemical mix of whatever they were holding,and sell it in any other way than by going down to their local pawn broker or manufacturing jeweler.The fantasy of holding gold is just that,a fantasy.When the shit hits the financial fan in the way the gold nuts envisage,what are you going to do…go around like in the days of the pirates shaving off small amounts to barter for bread?I can go for the angle where gold may constitute a part of a balanced investment portfolio,if that’s your thing.But if you think in this day and age it’s adequate measure of wealth,I think you are sorely mistaken.

holy… man your missing it.

That’s your opinion and you’re entitled to it.Personally,I think you’re off with the fairies.Buy all the bullion you want if it makes you happy…

Edit:I see you’re in high school.My congratulations on having broad interests,it will serve you well in the future.But you telling me what I may or may not be missing is a bit of a laugh.[/quote]

ask the rothschild family what they use to store their wealth. i think the misunderstanding here is on what wealth truely is. you were speaking of commodities and speaking of gold as if it were merely jewlery. in that manner you are missing it completely.

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[quote]Deorum wrote:
Neuromancer wrote:
Deorum wrote:
Neuromancer wrote:
Deorum wrote:
Neuromancer wrote:
What is with this ‘gold’ fantasy on these boards?Seriously,it just baffles the hell out of me.I would definitely go with Orion’s guns over gold acronym as being more representative of true moneymakers/control systems.The other two ,oil and drugs , I’m on board with.

uggh. your missing the point. gold, oil, and drugs are the RESOURCES of the earth. that is what wealth is based on. guns are not a resource. further more all the money is the world is supposed to be backed in GOLD. that was the original idea behind the paper money. it was a paper representation of the gold you had(under the governments custody) its what gave paper money its value. in its early days you could go into a bank, give them a dollor, and get its equivalent in gold as return.

the reason that you do not know the role gold plays in this world is because people like you(and me) will probably never have real wealth. sorry to say.

Riiight…so are diamonds,platinum,and any number of other substances.While I agree gold WAS the backing material for currency,that day has long passed.And the reason you and most of the other nod alongs think you know the role gold plays,is because I seriously doubt you have ever traded or bought and sold gold in any form other than buying jewelery,and maybe the odd Krugerand,if that.I have,and enough to know it’s rather a treacherous area,a bit like diamonds.Ever traded those?

If I have misjudged you,please correct me.But I guarantee you 99% of the people on this board could not judge what they were looking at in terms of karat,purity and chemical mix of whatever they were holding,and sell it in any other way than by going down to their local pawn broker or manufacturing jeweler.The fantasy of holding gold is just that,a fantasy.When the shit hits the financial fan in the way the gold nuts envisage,what are you going to do…go around like in the days of the pirates shaving off small amounts to barter for bread?I can go for the angle where gold may constitute a part of a balanced investment portfolio,if that’s your thing.But if you think in this day and age it’s adequate measure of wealth,I think you are sorely mistaken.

holy… man your missing it.

That’s your opinion and you’re entitled to it.Personally,I think you’re off with the fairies.Buy all the bullion you want if it makes you happy…

Edit:I see you’re in high school.My congratulations on having broad interests,it will serve you well in the future.But you telling me what I may or may not be missing is a bit of a laugh.

ask the rothschild family what they use to store their wealth. i think the misunderstanding here is on what wealth truely is. you were speaking of commodities and speaking of gold as if it were merely jewlery. in that manner you are missing it completely.[/quote]

Keep telling yourself that I’m missing it if that lets you sleep soundly at night.The NWO is coming for you in their silent black helicopters.I seriously doubt you know any Rothschilds,so it’s a moot point.You can speculate all you want and provide all kinds of conspiracy links that attest to knowing the extent and makeup of their holdings.But they(the authors of the links,websites,etc),like you,don’t have a clue,but they make their living pandering to the paranoia of people like you.

I do know a couple of wealthy people in real life.Wealthy by any number of criteria,in any currency of your choice,with world wide assets.Both ‘old’ money and ‘new’.Of course,they may not be in your Rothschild league.But these are real,tangible human beings accessible to me,that I talk to and can have discussions with.I don’t concern myself overly much with mythical family dynasties that may or may not be plotting to take over the world and enforce the one world government through their minions.

Real world experience coupled with reading real books,education and a skeptical outlook trumps interwebz knowledge every single time.

But please don’t tell the Rothschilds I said so.

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This war is a joke, however less so than the Iraq War. Pretty much every conflict we have been involved in since ww2, and several before have been based off of a facade. Vietnam was a staged hoax, ie the falsified reports of the Gulf of Tonkin attack. Iraq was based off false intel, yet nobody is getting tried for that. We funded the same people we are now attacking in afghanistan, the premise of building a better society is farcical, otherwise why would you support karzai. Abdullah Abdullah withdrew because he saw this ploy. For every body we drop in Afghanistan we are creating new insurgents, think about it, though it is hard to fathom because nobody invades our soil, if someone killed your brother/sister you would be in arms in a heart beat.

The taliban were against the opium trade, being devout muslims. War has not been good for any economy since fiat money was introduced. The exception is the few industries that are supported by this, ie northrop, haliburton, lockheed. It is common to say “ww2 got us out of the depression” which is just as false as FDR recussitating the very same economy, both merely exacerbated it. This deficit spending on war, and now on a myriad of other worthless excursions will debase the dollar, decrease the individuals purchasing power, and take them hostage to further governmental nefariousness.

I know I digressed from the topic at hand, but these are two wars that can be easily won if you dont fight them with your hands aroudn your balls. As my dad likes to say “shit or get off the pot”. Either withdrawl completley or win this thing. However, in my opinion, alot of this money financing wars and “nation building” would be better spent on domestic investment. Or simply not spent at all, as the taxpayers are funding this. This is not to say I am an isolationist, I believe it is more prudent to bring all our military home and stop this outdated cold war imperialist tendancies. I am very pro trade, and nations problems are solved economically, not militarily. A good example is the GDP increases in sub saharan africa due to the increase in cell phone availability. Or take a look at Vietnams rapid growth after it relinquished some state control over industries and fostered exports. The world is bettered by economics and trading, not war. That is why this attempt at democracy is as ludicrous as an embargo on cuba.

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[quote]Neuromancer wrote:

The NWO is coming for you in their silent black helicopters.

[/quote]

woah what peace pipe are you smoking? i was simply referring to the richest family on this planet. in what way did that knock the screws from your brain loose… im starting to think your not in the right mind to have a logical argument with.

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[quote]Deorum wrote:
Neuromancer wrote:

The NWO is coming for you in their silent black helicopters.

woah what peace pipe are you smoking? i was simply referring to the richest family on this planet. in what way did that knock the screws from your brain loose… im starting to think your not in the right mind to have a logical argument with.[/quote]

Maybe when you get a bit older,you’ll develop a sense of humor,its not my fault you can’t make the connection.And I never got my hopes up about having a logical argument with you,so don’t worry on that score either.I’m too old to be a can opener,you’re going to have to elsewhere to open your mind.