I’ve used a test e/deca cycle for mass but I can’t understand how someone would use it to cut
test causes weight gain, water retention + its conversion rate to estrogen is very high which leads the body to store more fat
so how is it good for cutting ?
Testosterone, any ester, is good for maintaining an anabolic environment. You can control the water retention and estrogen with ancillary drugs. I’ve used test, deca, and masteron to cut before. It works quite well.
I don’t know enough about steroids to tell you for sure if that cycle would be good for cutting, but the side effects you talked about (water retention as a result of estrogen) can be virtually solved with an aromatase inhibitor such as arimidex, letrozole, or aromasin. From what I understand there might be better compounds out there to help you during a calorie-deficient diet.
I would never recommend test e for cutting for a couple of reasons. First in order to get results you need to have a high calorie diet, which goes against a “cutting” diet. Two part of the benefits you can get are from the estrogen and water retention as they help with the strength in some aspects. If you are going to use a test for cutting use Test Prop. Soon im going to be using primobolan which you can make good gains on with a low calorie diet.
Well, if I could add a little to this I think that you have failed to mention there is evidence that test inhibits cortisol production, which in turn keeps you from storing fat. The test people use is to achieve a synergistic affect with the other drugs in their cutting stack.
As far as estrogen goes, even while cutting estrogen has it’s positives and you don’t want to unnecessarily suppress it, if possible. If you are prone to gyno, it’s good to run an AI, but again, some conversion of estrogen is favorable.
The longer estered tests make you retain more water, which is why people favor the test prop. during cutting cycles. That being said, many think that it is carb consumption that strongly regulates water retention while on test, so as long as you keep your carbs in check, you should be fine.
I personally have been running test for 8 weeks and have had no problem staying lean while gaining weight, but I have noticed how sensitive my body is to carbs when it comes to water retention. Hope that helps!
BB
If you are going to run enanthate then you should eat like a monster because you your results are based on getting enough calories, don’t waste it if your just gonna be on some low calorie type diet, in order to get those calories you are going to need ample amounts of fat, protein and carbs.
Now im not saying you might not have made gains so far bigbugga but I just know personally test works well for me when i am just eating non stop.
[quote]jb99 wrote:
If you are going to run enanthate then you should eat like a monster because you your results are based on getting enough calories, don’t waste it if your just gonna be on some low calorie type diet, in order to get those calories you are going to need ample amounts of fat, protein and carbs.
Now im not saying you might not have made gains so far bigbugga but I just know personally test works well for me when i am just eating non stop.[/quote]
I’m not disagreeing at all, the only point that I was trying to make is that I was on test and I didn’t get fat. I wasn’t trying to do a cutting cycle, I was only trying to share my (fairly limited) knowledge and experience with test. But just to clarify I’ve put on 20 scale pounds so far and kept a six pack 
Of course, this is my first time, I have just been eating big but clean. I started lean and can only attribute the cortisol suppression to my lack of bodyfat increases. I have noticed my senstivity to water retention if I take in excess carbs though…
Bushy, as far as the ester length, I didn’t realize there was no studies to support the theory, I was just going off myth/legend/anecdotal evidence. As a corollary of that, is there any evidence that longer esters convert more readily to estrogen?
Well that is great man, if you can add 20 pounds and keep your six pack then more fucking power to you, just for me personally i start to gain weight in the stomach first so when I was on a deca/test cycle I gained about 15 pounds inn 3 weeks but i started to gain weight around my waist, it comes down to genetics maybe you aren’t prone for much fat gain there, anyway great results keep it up
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Diet determines whether you are cutting or bulking - not what ester of test you are taking.
You can make the same gains on a bulk with prop as you can with E - given your diet is in line for bulking.
Likewise - there is no damn difference whatsoever between prop and enanthate if you are trying to lean up - once again assuming your diet is inline for cutting.
To answer your question bugga - There is no evidence I have ever seen that says a longer ester will aromatize at a higher rate than shorter esters.
In fact - it would seem that the longer the ester, the less it would aromatize. Why? Because the longer the ester, the less test you are injecting per milligram. But I have seen nothing to suggest this is true.
Aromatization seems to be dose dependent, as well as a very, very individual occurance.
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Aromatization seems to be dose dependent, as well as a very, very individual occurance.[/quote]
By dose dependent, do you mean a positive correlation? Like, the higher the dose, the more the aromatization? Thanks, sorry if thats a really noob question.
Sorry to answer a question aimed at Rainjack, but yes, it is dose dependent as in a positive correlation, more test equals higher conversion. I’m not sure if the following is totally true, but I would suspect that higher dosages aim at binding more of the available androgen receptors by having more free androgens in the blood.
Ostensibly as the number of androgens increases (high dose) the efficacy of the bound androgen receptors goes down (i.e. for the sheer amount of androgen floating around you don’t get as much bang for your buck). I would then surmise that this excess could convert. I of course, could be way off base as was illustrated earlier in this thread, lol.
Someone was nice enough when I started my cycle to recommend I hold off on an AI at 500 mg a week because of the possible lack thereof. (Thanks sasapion) I don’t think that’s a newbie question at all, btw, and at least me personally have learned a lot from this thread. Thanks gentlemen.
That makes sense. The spillover’s got to go somewhere. Thanks bugga. 
bushy and RJ have covered the important points here…but i’m bored so…
you’re only using AAS in a “cutter” to preserve muscle while dropping bodyfat…so the ester of test you use doesn’t really matter much no matter what anyone says.
eating tons of calories is for gaining mass, be it an all out bulk, or lean muscle…cutters are calorie restricted, or at maintenance levels.
so I can make lean gains without holding too much water or gaining much fat while cutting if I used test e ?