Why regulars stop posting.

michelle - Yes, I do have that gem saved;
it’s in my Mac I.E., scrapbooked :slight_smile: well, the first
two-thirds of it anyway. They pulled the damn
thread before I had a chance to update it
:frowning: Demo Dick’s response was the highlight of
that thread!

I, too, got tired of the same-thread-different-
day syndrome! Reality: the forum has lost a
number of quality posters; the replacements,
mutton-heads… well, not all mutton-heads -
Thank God for Tampa Terry and a handful of
other new members who keep the forum fresh!

I miss Mufasa sniff, sniff, sniff :frowning:

Would you really like to know?

Because so few pay attention. It’s a waste of my time to lucidly restate my knowledge, only to have it ignored in entirety.

So, quite simply, I don’t anymore. I gain nothing by responding; I lose what may become a sizable portion of my youth.

Like every social organization of any magnitude, this board suffers from blind devotion to a select few. I can’t devote the time necessary to attain such a status.

If the alternative is to scream at the deaf, than I choose neither.

DI

Joey - I don’t remember the post… care to refresh my memory?

And, yes, thankfully the moderators pulled that thread. It got very nasty very quickly, and I got an email from one of them telling me that they were pulling it because of that.

Okay, I’m in between status levels, as I know enough about the forum’s dynamics to understand most of what’s going on, but I do not yet consider myself a “vet”, so I’ll be the middle child that I am and try to bridge some of the gaps here.

First off, I agree that posting something knowledgeable is often a thankless job. It’s nice to know that you helped someone out, and I would hope that’s why any of us would appreciate a “thanks” - not to stroke our ego, but to know that we made a difference. I am guilty of not saying thanks enough, and I apologize for it. I guess I always assume that others know what good they’ve done me, but I guess they’re not clairvoyant. :slight_smile:

One source of this problem is that the violators (the ones not giving enough thanks) are often newbies, and either don’t stick around long enough to get an answer or don’t feel the need to respond since they got their quick fix.

While I am sure there have been some egregious instances of “thankless” posts (i.e. the pete example), there are also some reasons why thanks may not be given. In some instances, the poster may have just not checked back on their thread, which is shameful. In other instances, the less-experienced poster asking the question may not understand the answer. The poster may also be looking for more than one point of view on a question (in the case of the “anything else?” posts), as they may not be able to determine the helpfulness of the post they received.

Think if NeilG were the first to answer your question as a newbie. Should your answer be, “Golly gee, NeilG, I’ll eat everything raw from now on!”? The reason why someone is asking a question is because of a lack of knowledge, so we shouldn’t just assume that a poster will read our answer and take it for gospel, no matter how well thought-out it is.

Which brings me to another point. I know we all would like to assume that our logic is easy to follow and that we fully explain the reasoning behind our advice, but sometimes we don’t always get our ideas across well to newbies, especially those that don’t have a full grasp of the subject to begin with (thus, one of the reasons they’re "newbies). It’s very easy to blame a communication breakdown on the other person, but it is a two-way street.

Even considering all of this, I do agree that it is a shame how much valuable material is available here (measured both in time and money) and how little thanks the posters and T-mag get. Group hug.

Speaking of groups, a “social organization” has been mentioned. Yes, there are people who have been here a long time. Yes, they have formed at least e-lationships, which is cool. Yes, those in certain groups will respond to each other’s posts more often than those not in the group.

Are cliques a surprise? No. Are they a reason not to post a question? Definitely not. I’m sure all of us have seen a topic that we thought was important die a miserable death, while some stupid fish oil question (hahaha) got more play. One reason for this is that members of these “groups” know how to communicate with each other and also know each other’s background, so it’s more like a group of friends at a party discussing various topics. Compare that to the guy who walks into a party asking, “How 'bout them 'Canes!?!” While the discussion of the “'Canes” may be a valid one at that time, it would be much easier brought up once a dialog with others has been established. Same with these groups.

This is another area where your own communication skills or judgement of what’s important or relevant may be biased. This is not a full explanation of the behavior, but it’s another side of the story.

I now have a question for those of you that have mentioned that there is essentially “nothing new under the sun”. I completely agree that most, if not all topics seem to get stale. While there is no moral imperative to remain a part of an internet forum, I just wonder if any of you find your perfect diet and training plan and then never feel like changing. Things grew stale for me after a year or two here, but now that I’ve decided to switch to Westside, things are much more interesting.

I just feel that our body of diet and training knowledge keeps advancing with science and experience, so shutting the door on a lot of useful current information seems a little close-minded, but as long as we’re all striving for progress, it’s all good.

Note: Another reason people may not thank you for your post is that it is because it’s too damn long. Just like that Jared NFS fucker who posted a novel.

I’m likely to read anything that someone’s put some thought into. That said, great post Jared.

KnightRT: Well stated! On the T-forum, I was
sort of in the “in club,” yet a loner - but that’s how
I am. I definitely know how it feels to have your
“best” efforts ignored!

“If the alternative is to scream at the deaf, then I
choose neither.” Great F***ing line, man!

JaredNFS: Ay Carumba - You said a mouthful!
Apparently you have your finger on the pulse
of modern day internet forum dynamics. Perhaps
you should teach a course. And it’s nice to see that
you’ve come to terms with your previous T-forum
transgressions (he,he). About NeilG - He had some
valid points, but it would be scary to think that the
uninitiated would blindly heed his advice; positively
frightful!!!

michelle: nasty’s not the word for it! BTW - I dug
your kittys’ pics on the cat thread.

Good stuff from several people here!

There was a time and day where I read every single post and tried to respond to everything and anything where I thought I could give useful advice. In the end, I found out that there is a core group of people that listened and a majority who didn’t. I received plenty of thanks from both regulars and from newbies and those in between.

I also had a job where I ended up having a lot of free time, but that changed about a year ago.

In general, I’ll start a few threads that interest me and answer a few easy questions.

As for the hard stuff, which requires a good long answer, there are two reasons I’m not posting as much.

  1. I’ll only respond if I know that I can follow it up at a later time.

  2. Like many others, I’ve been burned. Generally though, the first reason is the primary.

BTW, it’s nice to see you post Joey! I definitely appreciated all you added.

Oh, one more thing. I think there was a slow transition where the forum became more of a social place for me than a purely informational. I believe this has happened with a lot of us and why many don’t post as frequently or on as many topics.

I stopped posting and visiting the forum on a regular basis because I realized my problem is my motivation or lack thereof NOT lack of information. I love reading about all aspects of physical culture, but I don’t have the drive I used to have when it comes to exercising. I’ve been trying to figure out why. I have been depressed for the last few years and only recently figured out what has been going on. So I’m working on my inner game and my thought patterns. I’ve been reading a few self-help books and I bought a coupla CDs. I’ll also be going to therapy soon. Its not all bad, other parts of my life have improved, just not my body.

Is Michelle posting pics of her pussy again?!? I’ve told her not to do that…

Okay, another thought. Shorter post this time, I promise.

I think the addition of a couple more forums (Strength/Power and Training Log/Continual Progress) might help bring up some more specialized and/or advanced topics. This might help in getting some of those who are bored of the board (ha freakin ha) to get back in on some conversations.

I think the mentoring relationships that could be formed from these kinds of forums would also increase the appreciation by those getting helped. Also, this might also form “cliques” in a sense that those focused on powerlifting or whatever will be drawn together and develop an understood means of discourse, thus allowing for easier discussion of topics, and a little less newbieitus.

And hopefully we can all learn from each other easier this way.

Jason Norcross was having some trouble posting, so here’s his response to my last post:

On the contrary, I think the splitting up of the forum makes it more difficult to get good conversation going, because it is much easier to miss a potentially great post.

Maybe a training log section, but nothing else new in my opinion. There’s already too much division.

smacks char upside the head

grin

you know, I used to have a mouse tatoo…

I haven’t posted about a year. I’m still a semi-regular reader. I find that I still learn little nuggets here and there but posting does nothing for me. Inevitably, it just gets old. This thread actually prompted me to post though.

I think that Jared’s suggestions are right on the money. And I agree with the analysis. Having some mentoring relationships (i.e., where there would actually be a relationship) would be great for vet retention - and of course it would benefit the newbies as well. :wink:

If there is strong sentiment against breaking up the forums any further, what about revising the FAQ – or the information in the registration process – to help newbies “flameproof” themselves? Something like, “There are no stupid questions, but most of them have already been answered. Look here to find the answers that have already been given before you post.” And so on.

It’s true that, over time, most people get to the point that they don’t need constant reassurance that they are getting the minutia right. (And they figure out that the minutia wasn’t all that important in the first place.) But it may also be true that you can’t lift their first weight “smart.” Jason Norcross’s “mistakes” post over in the Dog Pound has some really good examples of the kinds of things you learn with experience, but I’d disagree that they are mistakes. I’d call them rites of passage, or maybe they’re just lessons we have to learn over and over. (Jason is being a little tough on himself, too. If he’s guilty of anything, so are the rest of us.)

And if the newbies need constant reassurance, maybe those of us who are past the newbie phase need to be challenging EACH OTHER to stay engaged. This forum is a good place for that, and it’s a good reason for regulars to continue posting. On a side note: reading about the Portland session is really making me see the value of hands-on continuing education for lifters. Gotta get me some of that.

Char-dawg, I concur.

I am quite pleased with how this thread has turned
out. My objective in writing it was:

1.) To air my grievances as to why I left.

2.) To get some constructive feedback -
which includes how things could be improved.

3.) To see If I could inspire others who haven’t
posted in a while to share their views.
( Thanks, Sonny S and Natt the Hatt!)

Well, I got all that and more. You guyz are great;
thanks a bunch!

P.S. I think the problem with the newbies and their
not wanting to use the search engine is that the
results gleaned are much too broad. If T-mag
could find a way to narrow them. One often has to
search for hours to find precisely what one is looking
for. This would also cut down on repetitive posting,
which annoys everyone. But that’s a whole other
thread. Oh, BTW - thanks for the welcome back,
Jason N.

This forum gives each and every one of us something. Whether it is information, company, a place to act out or maybe it’s a place to have balls where you have none in real life. Whatever it is it is something and when that something is no longer available or the need is filled there is no reason to stay. This is especially true for the superficially involved. Those who become a deeper part of this here cyber-village by choice or habit tend to stay because the deeper involvement encourages more varied needs/fulfillments.

When members fill their needs (get a significant other, a job, move out of Mom’s basement…etc…) and T-mag does not replace them with newly developed ones, why would they stay? It is the same with Local Pubs, Bowling Lanes and Drycleaners, the ebb and flow of customers and friends. Nothing “wrong” with it, this is a very natural phenomenon that happens in different environments everyday.

I am sure that if you asked Izzy (my drycleaner) she would tell you that she often wonders what happened to Larry Cornwall from 39 Edgehill Rise S.W, Phone # 403-555-5555 but if the truth were known, Larry simply got fed up with the crazy, dangerous world of Cotton and Linen and is currently enjoying his new life with Polyester Blends and sometimes a little Rayon thrown in to keep things spicy.

Nothing sinister, just nature.

Welcome back Joey Z.

“Don’t spend two dollars to dry clean a shirt. Donate it to the Salvation Army instead. They’ll clean it and put it on a hanger. Next morning buy it back for seventy-five cents”

~ Billiam Coronel

Cupcake, your response would make a good
thread. I post on this forum because I have no
one else to share my love of weight training
with. The people at my gym are painfully
clueless. On dead-lift day I usually get more
than a few requests asking me to stop banging
weights on the floor because it gives them a
headache. Then some brain surgeon informs me:
“I heard those things are bad for your back” -
oh brother!

Cupcake & Joey Z. I agree completely. I work in a “fitness center,” and most days I shake my head at what I see in there. I don’t really have anything in common with the others there as far as training goes.

(Jeff, if you’re reading this, we needs to get you squatting!)