[quote]What? You don’t see how increased police presence and aggressive action in one community over another could lead to more arrests (guilty or innocent) as opposed to the lesser presence and lesser aggressive action in majority white neighborhoods?
How could you not see this? [/quote]
The increased presence in a particular neighborhood comes from the incidence of people dialing “9/11” in that particular neighborhood and the number of outstanding warrants for residents of those particular neighborhoods. The cops don’t patrol where they don’t have to.
[quote]Hold up, you just wrote that personal bias can affect judgment…but now you claim that racial profiling doesn’t exist in LA?
You do realize that even if the department itself doesn’t make a statement of enforcing it that individual cops can still act in that way?[/quote]
The LAPD is a majority nonwhite force. I’m sure prejudice exists, but it’s hard for me to see how Mexican cops would develop a prejudice against Mexicans unless they found that Mexicans were committing more crimes, which is what you see when you read the homocide report:
I was talking about racial profiling as an official departmental policy.
[quote]PRCalDude wrote:
What? You don’t see how increased police presence and aggressive action in one community over another could lead to more arrests (guilty or innocent) as opposed to the lesser presence and lesser aggressive action in majority white neighborhoods?
How could you not see this?
The increased presence in a particular neighborhood comes from the incidence of people dialing “9/11” in that particular neighborhood and the number of outstanding warrants for residents of those particular neighborhoods. The cops don’t patrol where they don’t have to.
Hold up, you just wrote that personal bias can affect judgment…but now you claim that racial profiling doesn’t exist in LA?
You do realize that even if the department itself doesn’t make a statement of enforcing it that individual cops can still act in that way?
The LAPD is a majority nonwhite force. I’m sure prejudice exists, but it’s hard for me to see how Mexican cops would develop a prejudice against Mexicans unless they found that Mexicans were committing more crimes, which is what you see when you read the homocide report:
I was talking about racial profiling as an official departmental policy. [/quote]
You can’t be serious. There are black people who hate black people. There are mexicans who hate mexicans. Have you seen even one Maury Pauvich or Ricky Lake show?
[quote]PRCalDude wrote:
You can’t be serious. There are black people who hate black people. There are mexicans who hate mexicans. Have you seen even one Maury Pauvich or Ricky Lake show?
You’ve missed my point entirely. [/quote]
No, I didn’t. I am attempting to show you that white people need not be directly involved for institutional racism to still occur. Minority cops are a non-issue. In fact, are you aware of the mexican gang wars with blacks in LA? Why assume that minority cops equal no racial profiling?
Why assume that minority cops equal no racial profiling?[/quote]
Evidence? You wrote:
[quote]The LAPD is a majority nonwhite force. I’m sure prejudice exists, but it’s hard for me to see how Mexican cops would develop a prejudice against Mexicans unless they found that Mexicans were committing more crimes, which is what you see when you read the homocide report:
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What does this imply other than you think racial profiling is based on races other than the ones in the area being “profiled” being prejudiced?
What could that statement you just wrote above possibly mean other than that?
Let’s construct a fictional Mexican officer and call him Officer Reyes. Officer Reyes, in the course of his patrol duties, finds that he most often gets calls from dispatch telling him to go to a Mexican neighborhood where he has to deal with crime, as opposed to Asian or White or Armenian or Persian neighborhoods.
These calls from dispatch are directly proportional in frequency to the number of “911” calls in the same neighborhood. Over time, Officer Reyes notices a pattern and it forms a paradigm in his head. “Hey, I’m most often going to Mexican neighborhoods? What’s up with that? Maybe Mexicans commit more crime?” Hence, a prejudice develops.
[quote]Eielson wrote:
SkyzykS wrote:
I had a case for disorderly conduct a few months ago for saying “fuck you” to a cop while he was directing traffic.
I don’t feel sorry for you at all when you said “fuck you” to a cop.[/quote]
You missed the part about lieing under oath didn’t ya, smart guy?
You see, It’s not realy a matter of what you actualy do or say, but what the officer says you did and said.
If 59% of the people who were falsely convicted were black, then it seems like more blacks are being falsely convicted. But how many cases have they reviewed in order to achive their numbers? If they looked at 5000 cases and 4000 of those cases involved black suspects that leaves only 1000 cases for different races.
So for them to find 120 black people of being falsely convicted then that’s not saying there are more blacks being falsely convicted, that’s just the majority of the cases they’re reviewing. These numbers are not based upon anything they are just being used as an example of how the numbers can lie to you without knowing all the information.
[quote]Jason Lee wrote:
If 59% of the people who were falsely convicted were black, then it seems like more blacks are being falsely convicted. But how many cases have they reviewed in order to achive their numbers? If they looked at 5000 cases and 4000 of those cases involved black suspects that leaves only 1000 cases for different races.
So for them to find 120 black people of being falsely convicted then that’s not saying there are more blacks being falsely convicted, that’s just the majority of the cases they’re reviewing. These numbers are not based upon anything they are just being used as an example of how the numbers can lie to you without knowing all the information.[/quote]
There is no lie in the fact that 220 people and counting (at least) have been found innocent when they were convicted of serious crimes with some even being on death row. How is this number “lying”? Of those, the majority are black. How is that number lying?
That means, without a doubt, we can state that it is a fact that the majority of the people who have been found innocent by the DNA charity have been black and that over 200 people found innocent SHOULD lead to an examination of ways to prevent this in our judicial system.
Considering they are just getting started with this and have only been at it for a couple of years, for anyone to downplay the significance of this many people thrown in jail wrongly is itself pretty wrong and apathetic.
I think it is completly wrong for people to be wrongly imprisoned. I’m not arguing that at all. I know our justice system needs to be re-evaluated and corrected. I just want to know how many cases were looked into and what percentage of the cases involved black people compaired to other races.
I also found this here http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/article.php?did=2044
The report highlights 51 cases of Americans who were wrongfully convicted and given death sentences based on the testimony of witnesses with incentives to lie. According to the Center, snitch testimony is the primary cause for approximately 45% of all wrongful capital convictions, making it the leading problem resulting in innocent people being sent to death row.
I also found this here http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/article.php?did=2044
The report highlights 51 cases of Americans who were wrongfully convicted and given death sentences based on the testimony of witnesses with incentives to lie. According to the Center, snitch testimony is the primary cause for approximately 45% of all wrongful capital convictions, making it the leading problem resulting in innocent people being sent to death row.
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If anyone is still questioning it at this point, then they must be someone who enjoys falsely testifying against others.
It should make people question whether witnesses are as reliable as courts make them out to be. I know part of this is because before recently, jurors didn’t understand DNA evidence making it LESS useful in a court room than someone saying, “I saw him do it”. Hopefully that is changing.
It should make people question whether witnesses are as reliable as courts make them out to be. [/quote]
In a psychology class I took several years ago we learned witnesses suck and basically get nothing right. I wish I could remember more specifics but the take-home point was witnesses were so inaccurate they are pointless.
I also found this here http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/article.php?did=2044
The report highlights 51 cases of Americans who were wrongfully convicted and given death sentences based on the testimony of witnesses with incentives to lie. According to the Center, snitch testimony is the primary cause for approximately 45% of all wrongful capital convictions, making it the leading problem resulting in innocent people being sent to death row.
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People who are proven to have deliberately lied in order to send an innocent person to jail should be given the same punishment that would have been dished out to the person they were accusing.
I also found this here http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/article.php?did=2044
The report highlights 51 cases of Americans who were wrongfully convicted and given death sentences based on the testimony of witnesses with incentives to lie. According to the Center, snitch testimony is the primary cause for approximately 45% of all wrongful capital convictions, making it the leading problem resulting in innocent people being sent to death row.
People who are proven to have deliberately lied in order to send an innocent person to jail should be given the same punishment that would have been dished out to the person they were accusing.
Some people are making snide remarks about the lack of intelligence and the tactics used of the police.
Do NOT underestimate the police.
Putting you in jail is what they DO. That’s what they’ve been trained to do and that’s what they’ve done for years. It doesn’t matter if you’re smarter than them: you CAN’T try to outwit them. You can’t beat them at their own job.
Put another way: if someone’s never done your job, can they do it better than you? How long and how hard does it take to get better than you at your job?