[quote]pittbulll wrote:
The way I understand it is most Police Departments are funding their budget with money from the war on drugs. Take away that and they will have to lay off Cops [/quote]
Yeah…you read it somewhere so it must be true.
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
[quote]thunderbolt23 wrote:
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
Which Country in the EU and which problem in which country? The question is way to broad [/quote]
No, it isn’t - the Eurozone is an amalgamation of European countries linked by a single currency (and theoretically, policy). Try again.[/quote]
No what isn’t ? The problems in Germany are different than the problems in Greece [/quote]
Maybe he meant the last thing that you said and that he quoted:
Pittbulll: ‘The question is way to[o] broad.’
thunderbolt: ‘No it isn’t.’
Just a wild guess.
[quote]orion wrote:
There are differences:
First the ECB is not as monolothic as the Fed and the hard money fraction still has enough traction to prevent the worst.
Then, we are as a whole not a block like the US, we can cut Greece loose, you wont do that with California.
With the wars and the military and all you are actually deeper in the hole, not only because it costs money, a lot, but because no party can cut either social programs or the military without having their own sacred cows slaughtered.
Also, Germany exports like crazy and Austria has actually halved her trade deficit the last 2-3 years.
So, some countries are actually doing great because the rest of the world is so fucked up.
Will we go broke eventually?
Yes.
But not as soon as the US trying to pile a welfare state on top of an unsustainable empire.
Also, we are largely homogenous societies, we all do speak the same language(s), we have the same skin color, religion and so on.
The US population is rather diverse and identity politics and the semi fascist/socialist approach to see anyone as part of a group instead of an individual reinforcing that, you are in very real danger of a balkanization process if your credit card gets revoked. [/quote]
As usual your hatred of America and it’s military permeates anything you have to say. The only war we are fighting is in Afghanistan and it’s not that big of an operation. The amount of money we are spending is not that much. Besides that, money spent producing equipment for the war effort supports jobs. Which is much more beneficial than lavishing money on people to remain idle like they do in Europe.
Germany is able to export like crazy because the exchange rate of it currency the euro is suppressed by the PIGS economy. This was the whole rational behind creating the euro. That is why Greece and the other basket cases can’t just be cut loose. Because the currency will rise and that will hurt German exports.
As for Balkanization, parts of Europe are so divided there is a high likelihood of sectarian violence increasing. In Britain they have mass immigration of people who have nothing in common with the indigenous Brits and in many cases despise or hate them. All across Europe there is mass youth unemployment, where kids coming out of school can’t even get an entry level job let alone move up the employment ladder, because immigrants have taken all those jobs.
The only reason why it has continued as long as it has is because the welfare state has made it comfortable for the kids who can’t get a job. But the credit card is starting to run out. That is when things are going to get ugly. Already in Britain they are moving to stop giving housing benefits to people under twenty five.
New welfare clampdown could axe housing benefit from under-25s
When the kids are jobless and homeless it is really going to be rubbing their nose in shit to see a yet another Somali family that just arrived get taken to the front of the housing queue and given a two million pound mansion on millionaires row.
[quote]thunderbolt23 wrote:
[quote]orion wrote:
There are differences:
First the ECB is not as monolothic as the Fed and the hard money fraction still has enough traction to prevent the worst.
Then, we are as a whole not a block like the US, we can cut Greece loose, you wont do that with California.
With the wars and the military and all you are actually deeper in the hole, not only because it costs money, a lot, but because no party can cut either social programs or the military without having their own sacred cows slaughtered.
Also, Germany exports like crazy and Austria has actually halved her trade deficit the last 2-3 years.
So, some countries are actually doing great because the rest of the world is so fucked up.
Will we go broke eventually?
Yes.
But not as soon as the US trying to pile a welfare state on top of an unsustainable empire.
Also, we are largely homogenous societies, we all do speak the same language(s), we have the same skin color, religion and so on.
The US population is rather diverse and identity politics and the semi fascist/socialist approach to see anyone as part of a group instead of an individual reinforcing that, you are in very real danger of a balkanization process if your credit card gets revoked. [/quote]
As I read your analysis, it appears you believe the US is on a worse trajectory than the Eurozone.
As such, the fate of the US is not the same as the Eurozone’s - it’s worse.[/quote]
Don’t believe it. The US is in far better shape than Europe. The bulk of our economy is not in social programs like the Europeans. That is why they are rebelling so strongly against attempts at government austerity to cut back on the size of government. They are trapped and can’t escape.
[quote]Sifu wrote:
[quote]thunderbolt23 wrote:
[quote]orion wrote:
There are differences:
First the ECB is not as monolothic as the Fed and the hard money fraction still has enough traction to prevent the worst.
Then, we are as a whole not a block like the US, we can cut Greece loose, you wont do that with California.
With the wars and the military and all you are actually deeper in the hole, not only because it costs money, a lot, but because no party can cut either social programs or the military without having their own sacred cows slaughtered.
Also, Germany exports like crazy and Austria has actually halved her trade deficit the last 2-3 years.
So, some countries are actually doing great because the rest of the world is so fucked up.
Will we go broke eventually?
Yes.
But not as soon as the US trying to pile a welfare state on top of an unsustainable empire.
Also, we are largely homogenous societies, we all do speak the same language(s), we have the same skin color, religion and so on.
The US population is rather diverse and identity politics and the semi fascist/socialist approach to see anyone as part of a group instead of an individual reinforcing that, you are in very real danger of a balkanization process if your credit card gets revoked. [/quote]
As I read your analysis, it appears you believe the US is on a worse trajectory than the Eurozone.
As such, the fate of the US is not the same as the Eurozone’s - it’s worse.[/quote]
Don’t believe it. The US is in far better shape than Europe. The bulk of our economy is not in social programs like the Europeans. That is why they are rebelling so strongly against attempts at government austerity to cut back on the size of government. They are trapped and can’t escape.
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This is true. But the malevolent cabal of leftists that is the federal government has become too deeply entrenched. And the permanant electoral majority of which de Tocqueville wrote has been created with some help from Cloward, Piven et al. That doesn’t mean you shouldn’t work hard to unseat Democrats and RINOs and elect constitutional conservatives. But precendent(case law) has already irreparably harmed the constitution, so a fallback plan needs to be kept at hand: i.e. when the house is divided against itself radical libertarians can be useful idiots.
[quote]florelius wrote:
I thought it was the financial crisis who left europa in the state it is now, not entitlement programs.
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The financial crisis was the straw that broke the camel’s back. Now that has happened it has exposed the other problems. In the last century, the paradigm of a lavish welfare state and massive government make work programs was sustainable because the world economy was bi-polar between North America and Europe.
But now we have competition from other countries those tax and spend policies are a huge competitive liability.
The roots of these problems may be less economical and more demographical than we usually believe.
Make more children
and/or
Kill more baby boomers
and most of these issues will already be half-solved.
Don’t do that, and no amount of austerity and deregulation will ever be able to counterbalance the effects of the ageing of population.
[quote]thunderbolt23 wrote:
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
No what isn’t ? The problems in Germany are different than the problems in Greece [/quote]
And the problems in Texas and North Dakota are different than the problems in California and New Jersey. But the nation sinks and swims by the same currency and national policy, just like in the Eurozone.[/quote]
And what really lies at the bottom of the problem is recession not socialized medicine
[quote]kamui wrote:
The roots of these problems may be less economical and more demographical than we usually believe.
Make more children
and/or
Kill more baby boomers
and most of these issues will already be half-solved.
Don’t do that, and no amount of austerity and deregulation will ever be able to counterbalance the effects of the ageing of population. [/quote]
I totally agree , that is why China and India will run the world .
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
[quote]kamui wrote:
The roots of these problems may be less economical and more demographical than we usually believe.
Make more children
and/or
Kill more baby boomers
and most of these issues will already be half-solved.
Don’t do that, and no amount of austerity and deregulation will ever be able to counterbalance the effects of the ageing of population. [/quote]
I totally agree , that is why China and India will run the world .
[/quote]
Not really.
Our birth rates started to decline a long time ago. And it has been a quite gradual change.
In China and India, the decline of birth rates occured latter and evolved quicker.
For this reason, the aging of population will be more brutal and more severe in these countries.
[quote]ZEB wrote:
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
The way I understand it is most Police Departments are funding their budget with money from the war on drugs. Take away that and they will have to lay off Cops [/quote]
Yeah…you read it somewhere so it must be true. [/quote]
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/drugs/interviews/wald.html
http://suite101.com/article/financial-cost-of-the-war-on-drugs-a53068
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/snitch/readings/hidden.html
I can probably find some youtube for you ?
I see several areas that go to local enforcement
Could people stop posting overgeneralized shit about Europe?
Europe is not a homogenized block of states. What does a Moldovan have in common with an Icelander. It never has been and despite the EU’s best efforts it never will. The countries that do run heavy welfare programs (notably Scandinavia) are doing alright. They are very different from the UK, where for all the bluster about ‘benefit scroungers’ benefits and state pensions are relative to income among the lowest in Europe.
The reason European countries have austerity is wildly different. Yes Greece could very very very broadly said to have an ‘entitlement crisis’ (rather a non-tax-paying crisis). however, spain portugal and ireland ran BALANCED BUDGETS for years before the crisis but due to other problems (mainly an insanely overleveraged property sector) have run into difficulties. It’s not just ‘entitlement’.
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
Which Country in the EU and which problem in which country? The question is way to broad [/quote]
[quote]Sifu wrote:
[quote]orion wrote:
There are differences:
First the ECB is not as monolothic as the Fed and the hard money fraction still has enough traction to prevent the worst.
Then, we are as a whole not a block like the US, we can cut Greece loose, you wont do that with California.
With the wars and the military and all you are actually deeper in the hole, not only because it costs money, a lot, but because no party can cut either social programs or the military without having their own sacred cows slaughtered.
Also, Germany exports like crazy and Austria has actually halved her trade deficit the last 2-3 years.
So, some countries are actually doing great because the rest of the world is so fucked up.
Will we go broke eventually?
Yes.
But not as soon as the US trying to pile a welfare state on top of an unsustainable empire.
Also, we are largely homogenous societies, we all do speak the same language(s), we have the same skin color, religion and so on.
The US population is rather diverse and identity politics and the semi fascist/socialist approach to see anyone as part of a group instead of an individual reinforcing that, you are in very real danger of a balkanization process if your credit card gets revoked. [/quote]
As usual your hatred of America and it’s military permeates anything you have to say. The only war we are fighting is in Afghanistan and it’s not that big of an operation. The amount of money we are spending is not that much. Besides that, money spent producing equipment for the war effort supports jobs. Which is much more beneficial than lavishing money on people to remain idle like they do in Europe.
Germany is able to export like crazy because the exchange rate of it currency the euro is suppressed by the PIGS economy. This was the whole rational behind creating the euro. That is why Greece and the other basket cases can’t just be cut loose. Because the currency will rise and that will hurt German exports.
As for Balkanization, parts of Europe are so divided there is a high likelihood of sectarian violence increasing. In Britain they have mass immigration of people who have nothing in common with the indigenous Brits and in many cases despise or hate them. All across Europe there is mass youth unemployment, where kids coming out of school can’t even get an entry level job let alone move up the employment ladder, because immigrants have taken all those jobs.
The only reason why it has continued as long as it has is because the welfare state has made it comfortable for the kids who can’t get a job. But the credit card is starting to run out. That is when things are going to get ugly. Already in Britain they are moving to stop giving housing benefits to people under twenty five.
New welfare clampdown could axe housing benefit from under-25s
When the kids are jobless and homeless it is really going to be rubbing their nose in shit to see a yet another Somali family that just arrived get taken to the front of the housing queue and given a two million pound mansion on millionaires row.
[/quote]
As usual, your hatred of his “hatred of America and its military” permeates anything you have to say…
[quote]SexMachine wrote:
But precendent(case law) has already irreparably harmed the constitution, so a fallback plan needs to be kept at hand: i.e. when the house is divided against itself radical libertarians can be useful idiots.[/quote]
Yes, but most likely for the Democrats because without libertarians the GOP will be unable to win anything very soon.
Its core demographic is slowly but surely eroding.
[quote]Sifu wrote:
[quote]orion wrote:
There are differences:
First the ECB is not as monolothic as the Fed and the hard money fraction still has enough traction to prevent the worst.
Then, we are as a whole not a block like the US, we can cut Greece loose, you wont do that with California.
With the wars and the military and all you are actually deeper in the hole, not only because it costs money, a lot, but because no party can cut either social programs or the military without having their own sacred cows slaughtered.
Also, Germany exports like crazy and Austria has actually halved her trade deficit the last 2-3 years.
So, some countries are actually doing great because the rest of the world is so fucked up.
Will we go broke eventually?
Yes.
But not as soon as the US trying to pile a welfare state on top of an unsustainable empire.
Also, we are largely homogenous societies, we all do speak the same language(s), we have the same skin color, religion and so on.
The US population is rather diverse and identity politics and the semi fascist/socialist approach to see anyone as part of a group instead of an individual reinforcing that, you are in very real danger of a balkanization process if your credit card gets revoked. [/quote]
As usual your hatred of America and it’s military permeates anything you have to say. The only war we are fighting is in Afghanistan and it’s not that big of an operation. The amount of money we are spending is not that much. Besides that, money spent producing equipment for the war effort supports jobs. Which is much more beneficial than lavishing money on people to remain idle like they do in Europe.
Germany is able to export like crazy because the exchange rate of it currency the euro is suppressed by the PIGS economy. This was the whole rational behind creating the euro. That is why Greece and the other basket cases can’t just be cut loose. Because the currency will rise and that will hurt German exports.
As for Balkanization, parts of Europe are so divided there is a high likelihood of sectarian violence increasing. In Britain they have mass immigration of people who have nothing in common with the indigenous Brits and in many cases despise or hate them. All across Europe there is mass youth unemployment, where kids coming out of school can’t even get an entry level job let alone move up the employment ladder, because immigrants have taken all those jobs.
The only reason why it has continued as long as it has is because the welfare state has made it comfortable for the kids who can’t get a job. But the credit card is starting to run out. That is when things are going to get ugly. Already in Britain they are moving to stop giving housing benefits to people under twenty five.
New welfare clampdown could axe housing benefit from under-25s
When the kids are jobless and homeless it is really going to be rubbing their nose in shit to see a yet another Somali family that just arrived get taken to the front of the housing queue and given a two million pound mansion on millionaires row.
As usual your hatred of my alleged hatred has ruined your calculator.
You can call it what you want and insist that it is not THAT much, but 1 trillion for the wars, with one or two still to come plus 60-70 billion each year ON TOP of a welfare state is a bit much.
I would say if anything, we have the chance to become worse than Europe with our two party entrenched idealogue system. The extremes prevail with no sense of balance. Post Citizens United, there is greater ability and incentive for interest groups, etc to lobby politicians. Given the political cycles for re-election, it becomes a game of influence and nepotism to a greater degree than ever before. This will perpetually dictate that entitlements and subsidies to Favorited groups will distort markets and ruin the nations finances through malinvestment.
In order to stop this, the political structure must first be renovated.
[quote]666Rich wrote:
I would say if anything, we have the chance to become worse than Europe with our two party entrenched idealogue system. The extremes prevail with no sense of balance. Post Citizens United, there is greater ability and incentive for interest groups, etc to lobby politicians. Given the political cycles for re-election, it becomes a game of influence and nepotism to a greater degree than ever before. This will perpetually dictate that entitlements and subsidies to Favorited groups will distort markets and ruin the nations finances through malinvestment.
In order to stop this, the political structure must first be renovated. [/quote]
Exactly! Start by eliminating all income taxes. Then eliminate all regulations on business except those against where someone’s property rights are violated.
That’d be a good place to start.
Never happen, of course. About 70% of humanity is, by nature, parasitical on the other 30%; that’s why democracy/republics were invented, so the parasites can use government to drain the minority.