[quote]thunderbolt23 wrote:
[quote]Headhunter wrote:
Wow, nothing like incoherent rambling there, Boltboy.[/quote]
Nothing I wrote was incoherent.
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Yes, it was.
Since you said it was and that’s ‘proof’ for you, then I’ll say it was as ‘proof’ for me.
Downhill, TB, downhill…
[quote]Magicpunch wrote:
[quote]Jewbacca wrote:
[quote]Headhunter wrote:
Anyway, what’s wrong with these fucking people? Killing your enemies IS GOOD, the dumb fucks!![/quote]
Killing your enemies is “just” and “necessary;” it is not “good.” There is a difference.
I was officially in a non-combat position, but I found myself in combat several times. I have killed, up close and personal, exactly four people, all of whom were actively trying to kill me or others at the time.
The first time I literally shit my pants and threw up after. I am not ashamed of this, at all.
It was not pleasant. It was not “good.” I was not “happy.” I was justified and did what a soldier has to do.[/quote]
Killed a man? Four men? If truth, is this something that has stayed with you, or have you managed to move on? Hope I’m never in a similar position.[/quote]
Of course it stays with you.
Have I moved on? Sure. They were terrorists. Two were shooting at our position, and I got them first because I had the rifle with the scope. The others were attempting to set up a mortor to shoot into a civilian area, and my allegedly rear-echelon squad was about 50 yards from them.
I have absolute justification. But anyone who says killing someone was “good” is a complete whacko.
[quote]Headhunter wrote:
I call BS on anyone who wouldn’t enjoy that.
It would be a pure delight for me to kill . . . I would jump for joy
Anyone who doesn’t love and I mean passionately love killing shiteaters like that is not a true warrior. [/quote]
Spoken like a internet cowboy who has never fired a shot. You’d fall apart when actually confronted with real killers.
I come from a very long line of committed soldiers. My grandfather was a decorated hero for Germany WWI. He turned around and fought them in WWII. Was in the Irgun in “Palestine” and flew crappy modified WWII planes over Jordan and Eqypt. He killed plenty. He never enjoyed it or talked about it.
My father did much the same. As did my mother, in fact. She was a sniper.
My father and I (and now two of my daughters so far) have served in uniform, in one form or the other (reserve, as I get old), since we became adults.
I picked pieces of my first wife’s brain out of my beard because evil people sent a retard boy out to blow himself up.
I am fully justified and prepared to kill to defend myself, my children, and my homeland.
I’ve done it.
But enjoy it? Revel in their deaths? Only a Cannanite would do that.
I pray for their souls, that they may know G-d, and turn from their ways.
[quote]Headhunter wrote:
…is not a true warrior. They are only playing at war games.[/quote]
Interesting - man who has never faced combat or participated in war, wouldn’t know the right end of a rifle until someone showed him and has enjoyed a career in the cloister of academia now lecturing people on what is and what is not a “true warrior”.
Comedy gold.
[quote]Jewbacca wrote:
[quote]Magicpunch wrote:
[quote]Jewbacca wrote:
[quote]Headhunter wrote:
Anyway, what’s wrong with these fucking people? Killing your enemies IS GOOD, the dumb fucks!![/quote]
Killing your enemies is “just” and “necessary;” it is not “good.” There is a difference.
I was officially in a non-combat position, but I found myself in combat several times. I have killed, up close and personal, exactly four people, all of whom were actively trying to kill me or others at the time.
The first time I literally shit my pants and threw up after. I am not ashamed of this, at all.
It was not pleasant. It was not “good.” I was not “happy.” I was justified and did what a soldier has to do.[/quote]
Killed a man? Four men? If truth, is this something that has stayed with you, or have you managed to move on? Hope I’m never in a similar position.[/quote]
Of course it stays with you.
Have I moved on? Sure. They were terrorists. Two were shooting at our position, and I got them first because I had the rifle with the scope. The others were attempting to set up a mortor to shoot into a civilian area, and my allegedly rear-echelon squad was about 50 yards from them.
I have absolute justification. But anyone who says killing someone was “good” is a complete whacko.[/quote]
You feel guilt where none is deserved. You’ve been taught that life is precious and killing is wrong; yet this killing was fully justified and because you killed evil people, you should take great joy in that. Why is killing evil not a cause for happiness? Whoever taught you to feel saddedn that you killed evil had bad intent.
[quote]thunderbolt23 wrote:
[quote]Headhunter wrote:
…is not a true warrior. They are only playing at war games.[/quote]
Interesting - man who has never faced combat or participated in war, wouldn’t know the right end of a rifle until someone showed him and has enjoyed a career in the cloister of academia now lecturing people on what is and what is not a “true warrior”.
Comedy gold.[/quote]
The accountant speaketh. All listen! The mousy little accountant speaketh.
You’d shit your pants if someone raised a voice in anger at you. Academia is full of weasels like you who always to tell others what is good and what isn’t.
I say killing evil is good. It would make me happy. Go lecture the other accountants.
there is a difference between feeling remorse and feeling regret.
in the first case, it means you would not have performed the action if given the chance again.
in the second case, you regret the harm you have done or the harmful consequences of your actions, but you would not have acted differently, because it was the “right thing to do”.
for an adult subject, the inhability to feel regret is either a symptom of sociopathy or a characteristic of imbecility.
@jewbacca
i rarely agree with your posts but i present my deepest condolences to you and your family.
[quote]Headhunter wrote:
The accountant speaketh. All listen! The mousy little accountant speaketh.[/quote]
I am not an accountant, and I outweigh you. If I am mousy, what does that make you, exactly?
You are certainly correct that “academia is full of weasels…who always tell others what is good and what isn’t” - say, for example, an overpaid math teacher who has never experienced war but who lectures everyone else on what a “true warrior” is. Tell me, “true warrior” - where did you hone your killer instinct and knowledge of “true war”? After getting a paper cut grading quizzes?
[quote]Headhunter wrote:
You feel guilt where none is deserved. You’ve been taught that life is precious and killing is wrong; yet this killing was fully justified and because you killed evil people, you should take great joy in that. Why is killing evil not a cause for happiness? Whoever taught you to feel saddedn that you killed evil had bad intent.
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Yes, all life, expecially human life is precious to my G-d, the G-d of my fathers. Even the lives of misquided and evil people. I was taught that by Moses and all the other prophets. They did not have bad intent.
I do not take joy in taking something precious from G-d.
This is why Moses wept at the death of the Eqyptians, some 3500 years ago.
The fact that David took joy in the death of his enemies (however evil they were, and however necessary their deaths were) made him unfit to build the Temple to G-d.
Pagans, decendants of Cain, who sacrifice their children to Moloch, take joy in the death of others.
I choose to be better than them.
[quote]thunderbolt23 wrote:
[quote]makkun wrote:
@Thunderbolt23: [edited]
You wrote initially what I thought. HH’s post made me think of this:
Makkun, yes, and that is great reference.
As an aside, at a pre-election party (I always go to one the night before and the night of), I asked a colleague (retired colonel, now in private sector) what he thought your “Himmelstoss” attitude - he described them as wannabe bottom-feeders who, because they get no respect in real life, lust for violence and an attitude of “love to kill” so they can project toughness, but are the last kind of soldier you want, because either they are full of manure (and they are actually cowards to the core) or they are unhinged, loathesome and put everyone in danger.
And, I thought, yup, that’s Headhunter.
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I don’t know much about being a soldier - but I get why you wouldn’t want any bloodlusting chickenhawks. I’m relieved to see so many ‘citizen in uniform / representing the US abroad’ type comments here. That’s very honourable.
Makkun
My grandfather served in WWII. He never talks about it (voluntarily).
I majored in history in University and interviewed him for an oral history assignment, and he still was very hesitant to talk about it. He told me that he knew the allied cause was just, but he told me that when you’re looking a man in the eye, and it’s him or you, you kill him because you HAVE to not because you WANT to. As evil as the Nazis were, it’s still (according to my grandfather) no fun to kill another human being.
Please don’t interpret this as sympathy towards those who kill innocent people, it’s not. I just don’t imagine killing someone would be fun, no matter how big a P.O.S. they are.
Does anyone else feel like it is far more probable Headhunter is a troll, than that he actually believes the retarded shit he is spewing?
To all my critics…
You guys do realize I’m talking about killing terrorists? You let TB (Troll Boy) turn this into a battlefield mano-on-mano discussion. He’s an accountant-cretin who makes Bill Clinton look like a pure hearted preacher. Killing terrorists should be joyful, would chuckle with delight if I got the chance to do it.
Anyway: Dumb fucks are dumb. I am disappoint.
Pic is for TB.
[quote]Cameron_Phillips wrote:
Does anyone else feel like it is far more probable Headhunter is a troll, than that he actually believes the retarded shit he is spewing?[/quote]
I think that is the most likely scenario otherwise it kind of shows you a cross section of idiocy that we have in this country.
Has anyone ever read the book On Killing: The Psychological Cost of Learning to Kill in War and Society, by Col. Dave Grossman?
The posts from Jewbacca and a few others mesh pretty well with what he had to say. It also made me think that HH is deluding himself into believing it’s that easy. That or he’s a troll or psychopath.
[quote]Headhunter wrote:
To all my critics…
You guys do realize I’m talking about killing terrorists? Killing terrorists should be joyful, would chuckle with delight if I got the chance to do it.
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Exactly, you are TALKING about it. Call 1-888-550-ARMY and be all you can be.
[quote]Makavali wrote:
[quote]Headhunter wrote:
I would think that if I were running a drone over Pakistan and managed to kill some scumbags, I would joyfully chuckle with delight. I would love every minute of it. In fact, the thought makes me have a ‘Chris Matthews moment’ ( a thrill runs up my leg).[/quote]
If I were running a drone over Pakistan, I’d be more concerned about collateral. Don’t get me wrong, it is an unfortunate necessity, but there are other things I would think about rather than flying body parts.
I’m glad you and people like you aren’t in the military, because the people who actually serve their country don’t need to have their name tarnished by association with the likes of you.[/quote]
trust me, some of them are crazier than he is.
[quote]StevenF wrote:
[quote]Makavali wrote:
[quote]Headhunter wrote:
I would think that if I were running a drone over Pakistan and managed to kill some scumbags, I would joyfully chuckle with delight. I would love every minute of it. In fact, the thought makes me have a ‘Chris Matthews moment’ ( a thrill runs up my leg).[/quote]
If I were running a drone over Pakistan, I’d be more concerned about collateral. Don’t get me wrong, it is an unfortunate necessity, but there are other things I would think about rather than flying body parts.
I’m glad you and people like you aren’t in the military, because the people who actually serve their country don’t need to have their name tarnished by association with the likes of you.[/quote]
trust me, some of them are crazier than he is. [/quote]
I trained a lot of US soldiers on IED placement and countermeasures, many years ago.
The US armed forces are, by far, the most professional fighting force the world has ever known. They do more to avoid unnecessary death or destruction (putting themsleves in the way) than anyone has ever done, in the history of mankind — so much so, it is to their detriment.
Crazies are identified early and removed promptly.
[quote]zecarlo wrote:
[quote]Headhunter wrote:
To all my critics…
You guys do realize I’m talking about killing terrorists? Killing terrorists should be joyful, would chuckle with delight if I got the chance to do it.
[/quote]
Exactly, you are TALKING about it. Call 1-888-550-ARMY and be all you can be. [/quote]
It’s pretty amusing to read the chickenhawk’s (a new word for me) posts.
Here is pretty much the play-by-play of the my last combat experience where I was directly responsible for the deaths of enemy combatants. I’ve actually only written it down once, and it was in a report and considerably shorter and cleaned up.
It was in an urban area. There was an active Intifatda going on, but not street-to-street fighting.
I was a combat engineer responsible for scouting future targets and the best method of disposal of the same. I was in the passenger seat of an unmarked Toyota minivan. (Yeah, Toyota minivan.)
We were MIT or equivalent geeks. One guy had an inhaler with him. This is not exactly a “combat” unit. Five engineers in a van.
I was not wearing a uniform, nor were any of the soldiers with me, although we had our rifles at our feet — mine with a scope because I was the officer. No body armor. No helmets. Tennis shoes. Cargo shorts or khaki pants. (Idea being we would blend in, view, report back.)
I was wearing a Liverpool football jersey, FWIW.
We get call that, about a block from where we were a “reliable source” (which could be a set up or someone pissed at someone) called in a “two or three guys” getting out a Qassam tube (basically a mortor rocket) and setting it up in a play ground with kids.
(For those wondering now, air response was a no-go becauase kids were everywhere (which is why they set it up there – they knew we would not hit it)).
We show up around the corner, look for their spotters — the other guys keep lookign around. Lots of windows. Lots of sniper hidey holes.
We confirm they are, indeed, setting up a Qassam. Two guys, civilian clothes
Here is the play-by-play — total of 8 seconds start to finish. I was to be the shooter.
Me: “Don’t fucking let me get shot” (I was a sitting duck for someone looking at us — my guys looking out for me.)
As casually as one can set up a rifle on the hood of a parked car, I do so, about 50 yards, across the play ground. Kids fucking playing soccer running across the target.
Me: Fuck. It’s the guy in green, yeah.? And white shirt? Yes. Fuck. Figure out my shots. Deep breath. Tense musles. Nothing moves but the trigger finger.
Pop. Pop. Pop. He’s down. Other guy turns around. I can’t find white shirt in the scope and then refocus. He’s looking around trying to figure out what just happpened. Pop. Pop. Pop. He falls.
First guy is face down, but moving. I can’t tell if I even hit him good. Pop. “It’s high” someone yells Pop. Pop. Pop. Head shots top of head (maybe shoulder shots, I don’t fucking know). Pop the other guy because I can see him – somewhere in the lower body.
Kids panicing and hit the ground. Clear field fire now.
Full auto. I spray the shit out of the car with the Qassam next to it. Nothing happens. (Our idea was to disable it, no clue if I did it.)
Pile in the minivan (driver stayed in — had turned car around while I shot). Reload. Magazine is stuck because I put it in backwards.
He drives like a motherfucker. We are all hunched down in the car expected to get mowed down any second.
He stops at a redlight. We fucking all start yelling at him because he is an asshole. He tells us to fuck off.
PA police are at the green light and we let them go by like nothing happened.
We calm down. We drive like nothing happened and arrive safely at our destination.
I fill out paperwork. We turn in the paperwork on what we saw for targets. We eat and go to sleep completely drained.
That’s real war with terrorists, folks.
Nothing fucking glorified about it.
No one I have worked with has ever mentioned “loving” killing, or even seems to enjoy it. Especially since most firefights are NOT one sided, hence you don’t have time to “enjoy” killing people. One sided firefights are called massacres. Most Soldiers, Marines, Airmen, Sailors that I have worked with are proud to serve and serve for a few reasons… Honor, duty, selfless service, love of country. But most certainly not to kill.
If you ask the majority of the men and women out there, you would likely find that we would prefer NOT to go. Sure, there are those out there who volunteer over and over, but for the most part, we would prefer to go once or twice, do our duty, and then come back, train, train others, spend time with our families, and live life. I didn’t volunteer (except initially to sign up… twice actually, once to enlist, and then again after college when I became and officer), and I will deploy for my third time next summer.
However, I definitely don’t agree with what that lady said at the party, and would have made my own response to express my disgust with her. However, I am smart enough to know that not everyone does support the military and does think of us as murderers and baby killers, but I am also smart enough to keep my distance from them.
Now a nice little quote… “Peace through superior firepower” 
Have a good day and enjoy your freedom!!!