Why is Our Culture Designed to Make You a Shitty Weak Pussy

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Missed everything passed hellfrosts’ first post. Great stuff chicken and prof X definetly supports my need to become a man argument.

Hellfrost stop with the strawman argumants our society is trying to put off all aggression as evil and wife beating etc. Thatis not the meaning of the word that we are useing. Prof X and angry chicken told you exactly what they mean when they say aggression there is no need to put up dictionary defineitions and make one up that is purely negative for them (newspeak).

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[quote]dylan10507 wrote:
Hell frost

Aggressive can have multiple meanings. I meant it as in going for what you want aggressively. Not starting fightings for no reason. but certainly fighting for what is right, defending oneself and others. Totally agreee on the trying to be manly and being a prick. Those are frauds+ social retards. Takeing action is aggressive. Someone needs help be the one to take charge and go for it. Someone in trouble be the one to take the risk and help them. You want something aggressively go get it. THAT is what I mean by aggressive and how it fits into our world.

FACT= Testosterone levels were on average around 700-800 in the 1920s when it was first tested now it is on average 300-400 .
It’s not complicated manhood= effects of prenatal,postnatal testosterone (research them) + the qualities that our natural habitat requires in a man to survive and thrive. Everyone does know what it takes to be a man we instinctively know.

Also masculinity doesn’t always = good crimes are in usually masculine actions (takeing action,risks I am talking only about the good aspects that we should keep. And getting rid of this bullshit walking on eggshells and lack of honesty (not throwing a tantrum I mean calmly). And hating the world is bad but getting angry once in a while is good.

You definetly make good points. Totally agree this is talk and could be improved but honestly societys views really don’t effect my life at all. And overall we are as good as a society has ever been (no slavery, no seperation of races, very little racism, great deal of freedom (although we could use a bit more imo), democracy, etc.

Don’t get the wrong idea it’s not doomsday, I love our society and the world. But that doesn’t mean we shouldn’t constantly be looking for improvement in any way, thats how it became great in the first place.[/quote]

X2

Very clear and concise post!

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[quote]dylan10507 wrote:
Missed everything passed hellfrosts’ first post. Great stuff chicken and prof X definetly supports my need to become a man argument.

Hellfrost stop with the strawman argumants our society is trying to put off all aggression as evil and wife beating etc. Thatis not the meaning of the word that we are useing. Prof X and angry chicken told you exactly what they mean when they say aggression there is no need to put up dictionary defineitions and make one up that is purely negative for them (newspeak).[/quote]

I am sorry that people who do not exert their aggression towards violence are called pussies. I myself am not the calmest person, but I always try to think clearly about my objective.

The same could be said about steroids. Testosterone creates aggression and violence, which is simply not true. Under pressure and life threatening situation, testosterone causes clarity and focus. If you call that aggression then obviously you are ignoring the definition of it.

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[quote]Hellfrost wrote:

I am sorry that people who do not exert their aggression towards violence are called pussies.[/quote]

You’re an idiot. I would Call Martin Luther King Jr. “aggressive” seeing as his life hung in the balance and he kept pushing for his goals anyway…and who here would call him a pussy?

You have lost this one. It is pathetic at this point.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]BJack wrote:
Ground Beef: $1.69 per pound at Kroger here. It’s not high quality, but it’s still meat.[/quote]

I do believe the point is that it is NOT high quality. I buy steaks weekly. I buy more when it is on sale, but I agree, these prices are insane for anyone who actually builds a diet around it. The only solution is to save up for sales and buy a stand alone freezer.

Building big muscles ain’t cheap and never has been.

The rest of the rant is spot on…it is now socially unacceptable to act like a strong minded male in this country. You have to act weak and feminine in some cases just to keep your job lest you intimidate someone by not eating the same crap they do or by speaking your mind and they call human resources on you for making them feel uncomfortable.[/quote]

Man, I didnt think the suburbs of NY would be cheaper than anywhere, but london broil was $4.59 at my A&P last week …

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]Hellfrost wrote:

I am sorry that people who do not exert their aggression towards violence are called pussies.[/quote]

You’re an idiot. I would Call Martin Luther King Jr. “aggressive” seeing as his life hung in the balance and he kept pushing for his goals anyway…and who here would call him a pussy?

You have lost this one. It is pathetic at this point.[/quote]

You are ignorant. this is aggression, plain and simple, if you want to make up definitions, then this topic is over.

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[quote]Hellfrost wrote:

[quote]dylan10507 wrote:
Missed everything passed hellfrosts’ first post. Great stuff chicken and prof X definetly supports my need to become a man argument.

Hellfrost stop with the strawman argumants our society is trying to put off all aggression as evil and wife beating etc. Thatis not the meaning of the word that we are useing. Prof X and angry chicken told you exactly what they mean when they say aggression there is no need to put up dictionary defineitions and make one up that is purely negative for them (newspeak).[/quote]

I am sorry that people who do not exert their aggression towards violence are called pussies. I myself am not the calmest person, but I always try to think clearly about my objective.

The same could be said about steroids. Testosterone creates aggression and violence, which is simply not true. Under pressure and life threatening situation, testosterone causes clarity and focus. If you call that aggression then obviously you are ignoring the definition of it.[/quote]

I would still like to hear some clarification about how your beliefs about needless aggression and thinking clearly about your objective led you to own a Ferrari that was “earned with blood” “last summer” “while a gun was held to your face and someone (you don’t say who) was beat to death before your eyes”.

Is this a recent revelation? I understand if it is… I’ve seen some shit that I wish I could just forget, but that’s not how the world works.

What’s up with the apparent contradiction in believe vs. lifestyle?

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Hellfrost me and you it seeems do not disagree except on the definition of aggression. I think it is likely the same with you profx and angry chicken.

I do see that clarity and that singular focus and intensity etc. as AGGRESSION that I beleive is completly related to testosterone.

The guys who never smile and you see clearly trying to act angry and mean are just trying to look tough and are normally weak and unconfident and just plain socially retarted.

I would consider for example new guy at work, walk up to him smile and confidently introduce myself then take him and introduce him to everyone aggression.

That is postivie aggression, much of what you mentioned is negative aggression our society focuses on the negative side of aggression and not the positive.
what is
I am the oposite when I say aggressive I mean it in a positive way. I simply call the negative aggression (not smiling bullying etc.) social retardsm scumbags, or assholes.

But in our society you see people called assholes or pricks just for being confident or aggressive (takeing action).

Here is my definition for aggression-strong action with conviction.

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[quote]Hellfrost wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]Hellfrost wrote:

I am sorry that people who do not exert their aggression towards violence are called pussies.[/quote]

You’re an idiot. I would Call Martin Luther King Jr. “aggressive” seeing as his life hung in the balance and he kept pushing for his goals anyway…and who here would call him a pussy?

You have lost this one. It is pathetic at this point.[/quote]

You are ignorant. this is aggression, plain and simple, if you want to make up definitions, then this topic is over. [/quote]

Wait, so you are simply denying that aggression does NOT mean violence is needed?

You are way out of your league here, kid.

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[quote]angry chicken wrote:

[quote]Hellfrost wrote:

[quote]dylan10507 wrote:
Missed everything passed hellfrosts’ first post. Great stuff chicken and prof X definetly supports my need to become a man argument.

Hellfrost stop with the strawman argumants our society is trying to put off all aggression as evil and wife beating etc. Thatis not the meaning of the word that we are useing. Prof X and angry chicken told you exactly what they mean when they say aggression there is no need to put up dictionary defineitions and make one up that is purely negative for them (newspeak).[/quote]

I am sorry that people who do not exert their aggression towards violence are called pussies. I myself am not the calmest person, but I always try to think clearly about my objective.

The same could be said about steroids. Testosterone creates aggression and violence, which is simply not true. Under pressure and life threatening situation, testosterone causes clarity and focus. If you call that aggression then obviously you are ignoring the definition of it.[/quote]

I would still like to hear some clarification about how your beliefs about needless aggression and thinking clearly about your objective led you to own a Ferrari that was “earned with blood” “last summer” “while a gun was held to your face and someone (you don’t say who) was beat to death before your eyes”.

Is this a recent revelation? I understand if it is… I’ve seen some shit that I wish I could just forget, but that’s not how the world works.

What’s up with the apparent contradiction in believe vs. lifestyle?[/quote]

My job involved having to sell a product overseas. There was a riot, they captures some of the workers and me and my friend there. They beat one of the guys to death because he was just working. We lied and paid them money to let us go. This was needless aggression by the guys who had guns, tell me how was this productive in any way?

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]Hellfrost wrote:

I am sorry that people who do not exert their aggression towards violence are called pussies.[/quote]

You’re an idiot. I would Call Martin Luther King Jr. “aggressive” seeing as his life hung in the balance and he kept pushing for his goals anyway…and who here would call him a pussy?

You have lost this one. It is pathetic at this point.[/quote]

An even better analogy would have been Ghandi.

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[quote]dylan10507 wrote:
Hellfrost me and you it seeems do not disagree except on the definition of aggression. I think it is likely the same with you profx and angry chicken.

I do see that clarity and that singular focus and intensity etc. as AGGRESSION that I beleive is completly related to testosterone.

The guys who never smile and you see clearly trying to act angry and mean are just trying to look tough and are normally weak and unconfident and just plain socially retarted.

I would consider for example new guy at work, walk up to him smile and confidently introduce myself then take him and introduce him to everyone aggression.

That is postivie aggression, much of what you mentioned is negative aggression our society focuses on the negative side of aggression and not the positive.
what is
I am the oposite when I say aggressive I mean it in a positive way. I simply call the negative aggression (not smiling bullying etc.) social retardsm scumbags, or assholes.

But in our society you see people called assholes or pricks just for being confident or aggressive (takeing action).

Here is my definition for aggression-strong action with conviction.[/quote]

This clarifies it more then. I have never heard of positive/negative aggression. The Problem now is we are dumping every emotion that makes us violent, productive etc… into aggression.

These are the types of aggressions that scientists(which X refuses to acknowledge) accepted.

Paul Brain (1979)

  1. Self-defensive behavior - when aggression results from threats to the individual, is accompanied by fear and is generally preceded by escape/avoidance attempts.

  2. Social conflict - a variety of activities, all of which relate to interspecific competition for resources that are important for reproductive success.

  3. Predatory attack - attack of an object which approximates to a natural prey species

  4. Parental defense - similar to Moyer’s Maternal Aggression

  5. Reproductive termination - refers to infanticide - killing of the young.

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[quote]Hellfrost wrote:

  1. Social conflict - a variety of activities, all of which relate to interspecific competition for resources that are important for reproductive success.
    [/quote]

Ahem, genius, what the fuck do you think this means? You sound like a kid whose only education came from internet surfing.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]Hellfrost wrote:

  1. Social conflict - a variety of activities, all of which relate to interspecific competition for resources that are important for reproductive success.
    [/quote]

Ahem, genius, what the fuck do you think this means? You sound like a kid whose only education came from internet surfing.[/quote]

Are you having social conflicts at work X? Are the fat ladies eating all the chicken?

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[quote]Hellfrost wrote:

[quote]angry chicken wrote:

[quote]Hellfrost wrote:

[quote]dylan10507 wrote:
Missed everything passed hellfrosts’ first post. Great stuff chicken and prof X definetly supports my need to become a man argument.

Hellfrost stop with the strawman argumants our society is trying to put off all aggression as evil and wife beating etc. Thatis not the meaning of the word that we are useing. Prof X and angry chicken told you exactly what they mean when they say aggression there is no need to put up dictionary defineitions and make one up that is purely negative for them (newspeak).[/quote]

I am sorry that people who do not exert their aggression towards violence are called pussies. I myself am not the calmest person, but I always try to think clearly about my objective.

The same could be said about steroids. Testosterone creates aggression and violence, which is simply not true. Under pressure and life threatening situation, testosterone causes clarity and focus. If you call that aggression then obviously you are ignoring the definition of it.[/quote]

I would still like to hear some clarification about how your beliefs about needless aggression and thinking clearly about your objective led you to own a Ferrari that was “earned with blood” “last summer” “while a gun was held to your face and someone (you don’t say who) was beat to death before your eyes”.

Is this a recent revelation? I understand if it is… I’ve seen some shit that I wish I could just forget, but that’s not how the world works.

What’s up with the apparent contradiction in believe vs. lifestyle?[/quote]

My job involved having to sell a product overseas. There was a riot, they captures some of the workers and me and my friend there. They beat one of the guys to death because he was just working. We lied and paid them money to let us go. This was needless aggression by the guys who had guns, tell me how was this productive in any way? [/quote]

I never advocated needless aggression, but I’m beginning to think that your definition and trying to go by the dictionary version of it is causing some confusion in this thread. I am going to guess that while your English is near perfect (and better than some of the idiots who grew up here) that it is not your native language. I’ll also guess that your native country is somewhere in eastern Europe or a former soviet bloc country, yes?

If so then you may have missed a contextual cue. Not a crime, just a misunderstanding. Some of your other posts seem to indicate a more reasonable viewpoint. No one want’s to back anyone into a corner, just trying to clarify some things when you made some pretty strong statements.

For the record, my attitude about aggression and violence is this: I am like a mirror, I will simply reflect back that which is directed at me. If I can diffuse it I may or may not choose to do so… I have no problem reading a situation correctly and hitting first. I also know when to go down and not get up again.

I think what many people are saying and that you are not fully understanding, is that aggression is an ENERGY that can be channeled into a positive direction. It is not an EVIL thing. It is like fire: you can heat your home with it, or if it gets out of control it can burn your house down. Not speaking for anyone else here, but that is MY understanding about what was being referred to as “aggression”.

I would welcome a response…

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One of my favorite guys… Michael jordan quotes

I play to win, whether during practice or a real game. And I will not let anything get in the way of me and my competitive enthusiasm to win.

My favorite Some people want it to happen, some wish it would happen, others make it happen.

Quote from troy “I want what everyman wants I just want it more”

And here I think is what will really make you understand what I mean by positive aggression. The best example that I know of extreme positivity and aggression.

Will smith

To me reading those quotes and especially watching those videos you can just sense the aggression. Especially watching the passion and POSITIVEITY coupled with aggression you can see in will smith.

Dan Gable, The brands twins, arnold swartzenegar and most very high achieving men are other good examples.

martin luther king, ghandi, the men who created democracy,

When you watch will smith what words come to mind?

To me I think MAN, STRONG, POSITIVE,AGGRESSIVE,DRIVEN,INTENSE all those things go hand in hand in my opnion.

These quotes and people are what we mean by aggression.

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[quote]Hellfrost wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]Hellfrost wrote:

  1. Social conflict - a variety of activities, all of which relate to interspecific competition for resources that are important for reproductive success.
    [/quote]

Ahem, genius, what the fuck do you think this means? You sound like a kid whose only education came from internet surfing.[/quote]

Are you having social conflicts at work X? Are the fat ladies eating all the chicken?[/quote]

What? I am actually NOT having conflicts at work because I know how to play the game society has laid out. Once again, what about me makes you think I don’t know how to navigate professionally in society? Care to explain yourself?

What have you accomplished in life that makes you think you need to tell me how to live and think?

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[quote]angry chicken wrote:

[quote]Hellfrost wrote:

[quote]angry chicken wrote:

[quote]Hellfrost wrote:

[quote]dylan10507 wrote:
Missed everything passed hellfrosts’ first post. Great stuff chicken and prof X definetly supports my need to become a man argument.

Hellfrost stop with the strawman argumants our society is trying to put off all aggression as evil and wife beating etc. Thatis not the meaning of the word that we are useing. Prof X and angry chicken told you exactly what they mean when they say aggression there is no need to put up dictionary defineitions and make one up that is purely negative for them (newspeak).[/quote]

I am sorry that people who do not exert their aggression towards violence are called pussies. I myself am not the calmest person, but I always try to think clearly about my objective.

The same could be said about steroids. Testosterone creates aggression and violence, which is simply not true. Under pressure and life threatening situation, testosterone causes clarity and focus. If you call that aggression then obviously you are ignoring the definition of it.[/quote]

I would still like to hear some clarification about how your beliefs about needless aggression and thinking clearly about your objective led you to own a Ferrari that was “earned with blood” “last summer” “while a gun was held to your face and someone (you don’t say who) was beat to death before your eyes”.

Is this a recent revelation? I understand if it is… I’ve seen some shit that I wish I could just forget, but that’s not how the world works.

What’s up with the apparent contradiction in believe vs. lifestyle?[/quote]

My job involved having to sell a product overseas. There was a riot, they captures some of the workers and me and my friend there. They beat one of the guys to death because he was just working. We lied and paid them money to let us go. This was needless aggression by the guys who had guns, tell me how was this productive in any way? [/quote]

I never advocated needless aggression, but I’m beginning to think that your definition and trying to go by the dictionary version of it is causing some confusion in this thread. I am going to guess that while your English is near perfect (and better than some of the idiots who grew up here) that it is not your native language. I’ll also guess that your native country is somewhere in eastern Europe or a former soviet bloc country, yes?

If so then you may have missed a contextual cue. Not a crime, just a misunderstanding. Some of your other posts seem to indicate a more reasonable viewpoint. No one want’s to back anyone into a corner, just trying to clarify some things when you made some pretty strong statements.

For the record, my attitude about aggression and violence is this: I am like a mirror, I will simply reflect back that which is directed at me. If I can diffuse it I may or may not choose to do so… I have no problem reading a situation correctly and hitting first. I also know when to go down and not get up again.

I think what many people are saying and that you are not fully understanding, is that aggression is an ENERGY that can be channeled into a positive direction. It is not an EVIL thing. It is like fire: you can heat your home with it, or if it gets out of control it can burn your house down. Not speaking for anyone else here, but that is MY understanding about what was being referred to as “aggression”.

I would welcome a response… [/quote]

Haha spot on, English would be my third language and I am from Albania.

There was a thread recently about guys getting angry and they got some great responses, some even told them they where weak willed wussies. It made me realize, that even though we get angry, we have plenty of control. I do understand that there is a difference between their contextual definition of aggression, and mine in this thread. But I tried to gave a point of view from what the rest of the population sees.

I realize the point of this thread was to bring spirits up and increase a little T here and there (interesting information about the different T levels from 80 years ago to today.) When people get aggressive they are motivated to get up and accomplish their goal whether that would be killing a saber-tooth lion or getting a medical degree(throwing X a bone here since he is been dying for a little attention).

Aggression is a good starter to get things done. However, how many of us have been aggressive 24/7 studying for that final exam? Not many I hope! We calmed down and use that energy from before to get through. If we hit a road block, we get a little aggravated to set us in the right path.

But AC, when your life depends on it, that real aggression of life or death, that is real aggression! You know what I am talking about. Not hitting that PR will get you aggravated and a little angry, but do we consider it the same thing?

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[quote]Vegita wrote:
Back to the meat topic, I have to X2 what X said and add in a litle more. The three best things I have done with regard to eating good quality food without going broke is got a chest freezer (a gift so doubly nice), got a BJ’s Wholesale membership, and got a vacuum sealer. When you find meat on sale, you need to gobble that stuff up.

I make my beef jerky out of top round and it routinely goes on sale for 1.99 per lb, that is insane as it is really a quality meat it’s just really tough and hard to cook, but making jerky it’s ideal. Jerky you can take around with you in a ziplock bag and have portable protien that you enjoy instead of choking down a shake or whatever.

When ground beef or any other meat is on sale I buy it up and vaccum seal it. I have like 15 1 Lb packs of ground beef in the freezer, I can wait till it goes on sale to buy more. You save money over the long run.

BJ’s has some really good prices also. They have perdue chicken breasts in vaccum sealed freezer packs. there is like 12 breasts for around 15 bucks. That about a dollar per meal for your meat. Then head over to the frozen veggies Isle, HUGE bags of frozen mixed veggies, all pretty cheap, buy a couple big bags, they will last a month eating them almost daily.

Then you go over to the NY strip steaks. 6.00 per pound and these are IMO restaraunt quality steaks. I usually can swing it so I can have one steak per week. I am on a strict budget right now, but if you have a little extra cash to burn, 6 bucks per lb for a really good thick vaccum sealed Ny strip is a very good price. In the normal grocery store they run 12-14$ per Lb and go on sale for 9-10$.

Adopting this system my wife and I have been able to pretty much get our dinner set as a healthy nutritious goal achieving meal. Meat and mixed veggies with a glas of milk or water. Thats pretty much it. Now we just need to get out breakfast and lunch nailed down. :wink:

V[/quote]

Great post. This is exactly what I did. Love doing the wholesale club thing, especially with the vacuum-sealed chicken. Those are really great for making a quick stir fry as they thaw really fast. They usually have packages of eye-round steaks. They are perfect for the grill. I’ll make up a whole package at once and then just eat the leftovers on a salad for lunch. As for breakfast and lunch, I’ve got that pretty well down. Usually a protein shake and a little oatmeal with raisins and cinammon for breakfast (after workout) and lunch is salad with lots of greens and either steak, chicken or tuna, depending on what I feel like that week. Don’t know if that’s an option for you, but I have a fridge at work and just buy everything for the salads at the beginning of the week and leave it at work.

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[quote]Hellfrost wrote:

[quote]angry chicken wrote:

[quote]Hellfrost wrote:

[quote]angry chicken wrote:

[quote]Hellfrost wrote:

[quote]dylan10507 wrote:
Missed everything passed hellfrosts’ first post. Great stuff chicken and prof X definetly supports my need to become a man argument.

Hellfrost stop with the strawman argumants our society is trying to put off all aggression as evil and wife beating etc. Thatis not the meaning of the word that we are useing. Prof X and angry chicken told you exactly what they mean when they say aggression there is no need to put up dictionary defineitions and make one up that is purely negative for them (newspeak).[/quote]

I am sorry that people who do not exert their aggression towards violence are called pussies. I myself am not the calmest person, but I always try to think clearly about my objective.

The same could be said about steroids. Testosterone creates aggression and violence, which is simply not true. Under pressure and life threatening situation, testosterone causes clarity and focus. If you call that aggression then obviously you are ignoring the definition of it.[/quote]

I would still like to hear some clarification about how your beliefs about needless aggression and thinking clearly about your objective led you to own a Ferrari that was “earned with blood” “last summer” “while a gun was held to your face and someone (you don’t say who) was beat to death before your eyes”.

Is this a recent revelation? I understand if it is… I’ve seen some shit that I wish I could just forget, but that’s not how the world works.

What’s up with the apparent contradiction in believe vs. lifestyle?[/quote]

My job involved having to sell a product overseas. There was a riot, they captures some of the workers and me and my friend there. They beat one of the guys to death because he was just working. We lied and paid them money to let us go. This was needless aggression by the guys who had guns, tell me how was this productive in any way? [/quote]

I never advocated needless aggression, but I’m beginning to think that your definition and trying to go by the dictionary version of it is causing some confusion in this thread. I am going to guess that while your English is near perfect (and better than some of the idiots who grew up here) that it is not your native language. I’ll also guess that your native country is somewhere in eastern Europe or a former soviet bloc country, yes?

If so then you may have missed a contextual cue. Not a crime, just a misunderstanding. Some of your other posts seem to indicate a more reasonable viewpoint. No one want’s to back anyone into a corner, just trying to clarify some things when you made some pretty strong statements.

For the record, my attitude about aggression and violence is this: I am like a mirror, I will simply reflect back that which is directed at me. If I can diffuse it I may or may not choose to do so… I have no problem reading a situation correctly and hitting first. I also know when to go down and not get up again.

I think what many people are saying and that you are not fully understanding, is that aggression is an ENERGY that can be channeled into a positive direction. It is not an EVIL thing. It is like fire: you can heat your home with it, or if it gets out of control it can burn your house down. Not speaking for anyone else here, but that is MY understanding about what was being referred to as “aggression”.

I would welcome a response… [/quote]

Haha spot on, English would be my third language and I am from Albania.

There was a thread recently about guys getting angry and they got some great responses, some even told them they where weak willed wussies. It made me realize, that even though we get angry, we have plenty of control. I do understand that there is a difference between their contextual definition of aggression, and mine in this thread. But I tried to gave a point of view from what the rest of the population sees.

I realize the point of this thread was to bring spirits up and increase a little T here and there (interesting information about the different T levels from 80 years ago to today.) When people get aggressive they are motivated to get up and accomplish their goal whether that would be killing a saber-tooth lion or getting a medical degree(throwing X a bone here since he is been dying for a little attention).

Aggression is a good starter to get things done. However, how many of us have been aggressive 24/7 studying for that final exam? Not many I hope! We calmed down and use that energy from before to get through. If we hit a road block, we get a little aggravated to set us in the right path.

But AC, when your life depends on it, that real aggression of life or death, that is real aggression! You know what I am talking about. Not hitting that PR will get you aggravated and a little angry, but do we consider it the same thing?[/quote]

I posted about this on another thread recently, but it bears repeating here. The fight or flight response is something that eventually can be controlled with experience and repetition. I agree that not hitting a PR is not the same as missing the knife coming at your throat and having to grab it with your hand. I have experienced both of these and as you implied, it is nowhere near the same thing. However, the aggression used to fuel your adrenal response to go for the PR and the aggression that leads to the conflict (not the fight or flight response that the conflict generates, but just leading to the conflict itself) does arise from the same place.

Aggression is a part of the psyche of all men, whether or not they repress it or not is another conversation, but it is not inherently BAD. If a man’s insecurity about his status is called on the carpet, that insecurity can allow the aggression to gain control and he loses his conscious control. But that is insecurity, not aggression that causes the conflict…

Anyone who feels that they have to PROVE to someone that they are this or that in order to feel good about themselves is not in control of their mind and has an immature boundary function… This can lead to aggression getting out of control.

Am I making sense here? I believe that aggression by itself is neutral. It can go either way. How it is applied can either win the game or ruin the party…