Why is Our Culture Designed to Make You a Shitty Weak Pussy

[quote]kardon wrote:

[quote]dylan10507 wrote:

Women are still feminine it’s men who are weak because you need to BECOME a man.
[/quote]
You’re going to have to define feminine. Personally, I thought girls should have to BECOME a woman, too. I define feminine as the effects of high estrogen pregesterone and low testosterone. The reason is simple adaptation when required your body produces more testosterone or more estrogen our society simply is easier living so less testosterone is produced. And honestly you just don’t women just become women men need to do work our society simply is for the most part the natural habitat of women and not men live as a boy in the habitat of men you become a man live as a girl in the habitiat of women you become a woman live as a boy in the habitat of women … you stay a boy.

It’s simple It is definetly good for women to have some of the qualities of men but it is acceptable if she doesn’t and is weak if a man doesn’t it is not. We know this it is in our dna.

It’s simple evolution. woman + strong man= sabertooth tiger gets killed and you have food, woman+weak man= fancy feline for sabertooth tigers

You mean hide your affections so you don’t lose the upper hand? Weak women do this too.
Men are the ones who need the balls to be the one to be the aggressor it’s nature.

I believe women should do this too. Don’t get me wrong, I’m ALL for equality between men and women. My problem is these dipshit men you’re describing also fit the description of dipshit women. It’s not just a gender issue, it’s a cultural issue. Mainstream culture, at least here in the States (I can’t speak for other cultures since I have yet to visit other countries), promotes being a dipshit regardless of gender. Most people just sit on their asses waiting for life to give them what they want instead of taking responsibility for their own destiny. If they try and fail, it’s their own fault. If they never try, they never fail. Then they’re still winners.

Very good interesting points.

It’s kind of like this: you want to put food on the table, and you could either hunt some rabbits or slay a dragon for your food. Either way, you’ll put food on the table, but it is the one who has the balls to face the dragon that will know true glory. Yes, facing that dragon is not a guaranteed success like it is with hunting rabbits. And you may very well fail. However, failure is a part of life. Everyone at some point has failed at something. To not do something for fear of failing is not living at all. Prepare yourself the best you can and face that fucking dragon. Win or lose, at least you’ll never spend the rest of your life wondering “what if?”[/quote]

My EXACT life philosophy. ABSOLUTELY agree with you. Especially the last sentence. I actually think about that quite often since I was 15 I thought what if I just go to college have a family live a desk job and am fourtee? I’d die for just a CHANCE even if it’s just one percent to go all out and completly go for the life I want. So thats what I am doing.

You know alot of what you posted like going all out for a good life can and does apply to men and women as you have shown. The main thing I beleive where it separates is in RELATIONSHIPS between men and women. The man by nature has his role (protector, loving leader the one who starts it etc.) and the woman has hers as well.

Most men want a girl to RESPECT him and look up to him and think he is great amazing and competent and successful etc. Most women want to be desired and loved I.e. they love when you love there laugh there eyes and every inch of there body and the way she moves and her smile etc. It is a different type of love.
Also they love the desire for her and choosing her and just teling her you want her etc. (sweeping off the feet) and most men would love to do this and neither wants it the other way around. It’s simple all species have there way of mating this is ours.

Still what guys like prof x and others and my other post said about SPECIFICALLY anti male strength, aggression and general misanthropy being acceptable still is true.

But again this is just pointing out a few things, Right now our society is almost as good as a society can get this is just one little problem and it’s just “nudges” you can still live and thrive as a strong masculine man if you simple shun a few areas of our society.

Edit; another thought confidence is good in both sexes is good but is different. Attractive confident girls expect you to be attracted to them and take everything as a complement since they know they are attractive and interested. Also they will not get nervouse, only attracted when you are aggressive and direct in going for them. Confidence in men is confidence in takeing action and going for what you want and getting it.

Looks like everyone here knows exactly how to be a MAN!

What the hell is up with this bullshit where you have to be aggressive to get things done? You are not being chased by an 800 pound fucking saber-tooth… your posting on T-Nation on your comfortable chair with four walls and a roof. You are right, we need more aggressive people… we need more aggressive fathers beating their wives, more aggressive surgeons cutting you open and more aggressive dentists ripping off your wisdom teeth with their bare hands because some fat ladies made fun of their eating.

I don’t think you realize that anyone that has been different from anyone else has been shunned by everyone else for as long as societies have formed. People used to get stoned, chopped their balls off, and run a steak through their ass to their head for speaking their minds. If you don’t like your job, then be an aggressive male and burn the place down, I am sure that will be more liberating then listening to people bitch about your training and eating.

“On a day in 399 BC the philosopher Socrates stood before a jury of 500 of his fellow Athenians accused of “refusing to recognize the gods recognized by the state” and “of corrupting the youth.” Socrates was found guilty by a vote of 280 to 220.” Death was his form of punishment.

Why do you care what other people are doing? Most of our population is actually very calm because we work together as one. Do you think we would be the dominant species if everyone was starting riots about every person that looks at them the wrong way?

Face it, most of you are not in a place of power where you can change much of the outside world. Remaining calm, defusing the situation and coming on top is the best weapon you have with that cranium of yours.

As for the expensive meat, have you ever tried raising a calf into a full cow? No? I’ll tell you it’s not the cheapest thing. However the prices are high, but so what? if you own a cattle farm you would raise your prices and try to create an equilibrium point in your market supply and demand. Nothing against steak, it’s just how people make money.

I don’t know what it takes to be a “real” man, but I know that being an out of control, pissed off aggressive male is not it.

[quote]Hellfrost wrote:
Looks like everyone here knows exactly how to be a MAN!

What the hell is up with this bullshit where you have to be aggressive to get things done? You are not being chased by an 800 pound fucking saber-tooth… your posting on T-Nation on your comfortable chair with four walls and a roof. You are right, we need more aggressive people… we need more aggressive fathers beating their wives, more aggressive surgeons cutting you open and more aggressive dentists ripping off your wisdom teeth with their bare hands because some fat ladies made fun of their eating. [/quote]

You seem confused. Why does being aggressive translate into something negative for you? This entire country would not have been founded without some very aggressive people working to make that happen.

Hell, most of the inventions that now make your life so easy were created by REBELS and freethinkers…exactly what you seem to now hate.

Explain why being aggressive relates to destruction and pain for you.

I treat patients all day long and no patient is getting wisdom teeth “ripped out”.

You seem very feminine and afraid. Why is that?

[quote]kardon wrote:

[quote]dylan10507 wrote:

Women are still feminine it’s men who are weak because you need to BECOME a man.
[/quote]
You’re going to have to define feminine. Personally, I thought girls should have to BECOME a woman, too.

You mean hide your affections so you don’t lose the upper hand? Weak women do this too.

I believe women should do this too. Don’t get me wrong, I’m ALL for equality between men and women. My problem is these dipshit men you’re describing also fit the description of dipshit women. It’s not just a gender issue, it’s a cultural issue. Mainstream culture, at least here in the States (I can’t speak for other cultures since I have yet to visit other countries), promotes being a dipshit regardless of gender. Most people just sit on their asses waiting for life to give them what they want instead of taking responsibility for their own destiny. If they try and fail, it’s their own fault. If they never try, they never fail. Then they’re still winners.

It’s kind of like this: you want to put food on the table, and you could either hunt some rabbits or slay a dragon for your food. Either way, you’ll put food on the table, but it is the one who has the balls to face the dragon that will know true glory. Yes, facing that dragon is not a guaranteed success like it is with hunting rabbits. And you may very well fail. However, failure is a part of life. Everyone at some point has failed at something. To not do something for fear of failing is not living at all. Prepare yourself the best you can and face that fucking dragon. Win or lose, at least you’ll never spend the rest of your life wondering “what if?”[/quote]

The Dragon, is a metaphor for your fear, shame and self-limiting beliefs. We don’t often talk about SHAME. “what the fuck to I have to be ashamed about?”, says your ego-driven conscious-mind… It’s there, trust me. The shame that the majority of men carry is what holds us back the most - it is IMPOSSIBLE to grow up in American/Western society and not carry the shame of being a man. It was programmed into us by the media/society/cultural ego-mass before we had the mental capacity to build our boundary. It is an old wound that needs to be dealt with or it will constantly undermine your success. It shows up as laziness, procrastination, addiction, etc… It doesn’t WANT you to be powerful! It’s afraid of what you might do… ('cuz men are BAD, right? We rape, kill and plunder… right?)

Shame is something a man can go through his whole life without confronting… Don’t make that mistake. Chase the rabbit down the hole and slay the dragon.

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]Hellfrost wrote:
Looks like everyone here knows exactly how to be a MAN!

What the hell is up with this bullshit where you have to be aggressive to get things done? You are not being chased by an 800 pound fucking saber-tooth… your posting on T-Nation on your comfortable chair with four walls and a roof. You are right, we need more aggressive people… we need more aggressive fathers beating their wives, more aggressive surgeons cutting you open and more aggressive dentists ripping off your wisdom teeth with their bare hands because some fat ladies made fun of their eating. [/quote]

You seem confused. Why does being aggressive translate into something negative for you? This entire country would not have been founded without some very aggressive people working to make that happen.

Hell, most of the inventions that now make your life so easy were created by REBELS and freethinkers…exactly what you seem to now hate.

Explain why being aggressive relates to destruction and pain for you.

I treat patients all day long and no patient is getting wisdom teeth “ripped out”.

You seem very feminine and afraid. Why is that?[/quote]

I think we need to define what aggression means.

“In psychology, as well as other social and behavioral sciences, aggression (also called combativeness) refers to behavior between members of the same species that is intended to cause pain or harm.”

Who are you planning to cause pain or harm to Professor X?

One more thing: I feel very fortunate to have come to a place like T-Nation where there are so many dragon slayers!

Back to the meat topic, I have to X2 what X said and add in a litle more. The three best things I have done with regard to eating good quality food without going broke is got a chest freezer (a gift so doubly nice), got a BJ’s Wholesale membership, and got a vacuum sealer. When you find meat on sale, you need to gobble that stuff up.

I make my beef jerky out of top round and it routinely goes on sale for 1.99 per lb, that is insane as it is really a quality meat it’s just really tough and hard to cook, but making jerky it’s ideal. Jerky you can take around with you in a ziplock bag and have portable protien that you enjoy instead of choking down a shake or whatever.

When ground beef or any other meat is on sale I buy it up and vaccum seal it. I have like 15 1 Lb packs of ground beef in the freezer, I can wait till it goes on sale to buy more. You save money over the long run.

BJ’s has some really good prices also. They have perdue chicken breasts in vaccum sealed freezer packs. there is like 12 breasts for around 15 bucks. That about a dollar per meal for your meat. Then head over to the frozen veggies Isle, HUGE bags of frozen mixed veggies, all pretty cheap, buy a couple big bags, they will last a month eating them almost daily.

Then you go over to the NY strip steaks. 6.00 per pound and these are IMO restaraunt quality steaks. I usually can swing it so I can have one steak per week. I am on a strict budget right now, but if you have a little extra cash to burn, 6 bucks per lb for a really good thick vaccum sealed Ny strip is a very good price. In the normal grocery store they run 12-14$ per Lb and go on sale for 9-10$.

Adopting this system my wife and I have been able to pretty much get our dinner set as a healthy nutritious goal achieving meal. Meat and mixed veggies with a glas of milk or water. Thats pretty much it. Now we just need to get out breakfast and lunch nailed down. :wink:

V

[quote]Hellfrost wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]Hellfrost wrote:
Looks like everyone here knows exactly how to be a MAN!

What the hell is up with this bullshit where you have to be aggressive to get things done? You are not being chased by an 800 pound fucking saber-tooth… your posting on T-Nation on your comfortable chair with four walls and a roof. You are right, we need more aggressive people… we need more aggressive fathers beating their wives, more aggressive surgeons cutting you open and more aggressive dentists ripping off your wisdom teeth with their bare hands because some fat ladies made fun of their eating. [/quote]

You seem confused. Why does being aggressive translate into something negative for you? This entire country would not have been founded without some very aggressive people working to make that happen.

Hell, most of the inventions that now make your life so easy were created by REBELS and freethinkers…exactly what you seem to now hate.

Explain why being aggressive relates to destruction and pain for you.

I treat patients all day long and no patient is getting wisdom teeth “ripped out”.

You seem very feminine and afraid. Why is that?[/quote]

I think we need to define what aggression means.

“In psychology, as well as other social and behavioral sciences, aggression (also called combativeness) refers to behavior between members of the same species that is intended to cause pain or harm.”

Who are you planning to cause pain or harm to Professor X?
[/quote]

Gee, the definition from Webster also includes:

[quote]1 : a forceful action or procedure (as an unprovoked attack) especially when intended to dominate or master[/quote]…which means you sure are being selective…like that is a surprise.

I mean, people like you are mostly just “passive aggressive” anyway, you just don['t like doing the dirty work yourself…much like your continuous action to make it seem as if I don’t know how to act professionally after about 8 years of practice in my career.

It took quite a lot of “forceful action and procedure” as well as attention to detail to even get to this point in my life at an age that most people DON’T. Most people are not doctors while still in their 20’s and most have not been officers and in positions over people several years older than them before the age of 30. If you think someone can pull that off while acting like an insane lunatic, you are greatly mistaken.

Again, you seem feminine and afraid. Why is that?

I am a very aggressive person. I see what I want and I go after it until I get it. Most people are NOT that way anymore. They want to avoid hard work and avoid paying their dues. They want to be pampered and respected without earning any of it.

Once again, why does being aggressive translate into harm and pain for someone like you?

[quote]angry chicken wrote:

[quote]kardon wrote:

[quote]dylan10507 wrote:

Women are still feminine it’s men who are weak because you need to BECOME a man.
[/quote]
You’re going to have to define feminine. Personally, I thought girls should have to BECOME a woman, too.

You mean hide your affections so you don’t lose the upper hand? Weak women do this too.

I believe women should do this too. Don’t get me wrong, I’m ALL for equality between men and women. My problem is these dipshit men you’re describing also fit the description of dipshit women. It’s not just a gender issue, it’s a cultural issue. Mainstream culture, at least here in the States (I can’t speak for other cultures since I have yet to visit other countries), promotes being a dipshit regardless of gender. Most people just sit on their asses waiting for life to give them what they want instead of taking responsibility for their own destiny. If they try and fail, it’s their own fault. If they never try, they never fail. Then they’re still winners.

It’s kind of like this: you want to put food on the table, and you could either hunt some rabbits or slay a dragon for your food. Either way, you’ll put food on the table, but it is the one who has the balls to face the dragon that will know true glory. Yes, facing that dragon is not a guaranteed success like it is with hunting rabbits. And you may very well fail. However, failure is a part of life. Everyone at some point has failed at something. To not do something for fear of failing is not living at all. Prepare yourself the best you can and face that fucking dragon. Win or lose, at least you’ll never spend the rest of your life wondering “what if?”[/quote]

The Dragon, is a metaphor for your fear, shame and self-limiting beliefs. We don’t often talk about SHAME. “what the fuck to I have to be ashamed about?”, says your ego-driven conscious-mind… It’s there, trust me. The shame that the majority of men carry is what holds us back the most - it is IMPOSSIBLE to grow up in American/Western society and not carry the shame of being a man. It was programmed into us by the media/society/cultural ego-mass before we had the mental capacity to build our boundary. It is an old wound that needs to be dealt with or it will constantly undermine your success. It shows up as laziness, procrastination, addiction, etc… It doesn’t WANT you to be powerful! It’s afraid of what you might do… ('cuz men are BAD, right? We rape, kill and plunder… right?)

Shame is something a man can go through his whole life without confronting… Don’t make that mistake. Chase the rabbit down the hole and slay the dragon.[/quote]

AC this is an amazing post, can you go further with the topic?

V

[quote]Hellfrost wrote:
Looks like everyone here knows exactly how to be a MAN!

What the hell is up with this bullshit where you have to be aggressive to get things done? You are not being chased by an 800 pound fucking saber-tooth… your posting on T-Nation on your comfortable chair with four walls and a roof. You are right, we need more aggressive people… we need more aggressive fathers beating their wives, more aggressive surgeons cutting you open and more aggressive dentists ripping off your wisdom teeth with their bare hands because some fat ladies made fun of their eating.

I don’t think you realize that anyone that has been different from anyone else has been shunned by everyone else for as long as societies have formed. People used to get stoned, chopped their balls off, and run a steak through their ass to their head for speaking their minds. If you don’t like your job, then be an aggressive male and burn the place down, I am sure that will be more liberating then listening to people bitch about your training and eating.

“On a day in 399 BC the philosopher Socrates stood before a jury of 500 of his fellow Athenians accused of “refusing to recognize the gods recognized by the state” and “of corrupting the youth.” Socrates was found guilty by a vote of 280 to 220.” Death was his form of punishment.

Why do you care what other people are doing? Most of our population is actually very calm because we work together as one. Do you think we would be the dominant species if everyone was starting riots about every person that looks at them the wrong way?

Face it, most of you are not in a place of power where you can change much of the outside world. Remaining calm, defusing the situation and coming on top is the best weapon you have with that cranium of yours.

As for the expensive meat, have you ever tried raising a calf into a full cow? No? I’ll tell you it’s not the cheapest thing. However the prices are high, but so what? if you own a cattle farm you would raise your prices and try to create an equilibrium point in your market supply and demand. Nothing against steak, it’s just how people make money.

I don’t know what it takes to be a “real” man, but I know that being an out of control, pissed off aggressive male is not it.[/quote]

Not trying to be “aggressive” or “combative” here, but it sounds like you grew up with a silver fucking spoon in your mouth. That’s not a crime, but it certainly doesn’t give you the right to tell me that I didn’t have to survive where I happened to be born. You’re right, I never have been chased by an 800 pound sabertooth. I have been chased by a gang of 20 men when I was 14. When they caught me they beat me to the point where they broke a fence with my body. They broke my neck in two places. Swole my eyes shut and fucked me up so that my own mother didn’t recognize me.

That’s where I grew up, so Yeah, I needed to be aggressive. And combative. I ended up in prison where I was in an environment that made where I grew up look like a spring picnic on a sunny day. Stabbed five times in 3.5 years. All of this occurred in the great state of Maryland. So I’m not quite sure where YOU grew up, but don’t tell me where I grew up and what I needed to do to survive.

Yeah, I’m in my living room in my comfortable condo now posting on T-Nation. I fucking earned it! And FTR, I’ve never beaten a woman in my life. You’ve got some very interesting ideas wrapped up in your head.

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]Hellfrost wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]Hellfrost wrote:
Looks like everyone here knows exactly how to be a MAN!

What the hell is up with this bullshit where you have to be aggressive to get things done? You are not being chased by an 800 pound fucking saber-tooth… your posting on T-Nation on your comfortable chair with four walls and a roof. You are right, we need more aggressive people… we need more aggressive fathers beating their wives, more aggressive surgeons cutting you open and more aggressive dentists ripping off your wisdom teeth with their bare hands because some fat ladies made fun of their eating. [/quote]

You seem confused. Why does being aggressive translate into something negative for you? This entire country would not have been founded without some very aggressive people working to make that happen.

Hell, most of the inventions that now make your life so easy were created by REBELS and freethinkers…exactly what you seem to now hate.

Explain why being aggressive relates to destruction and pain for you.

I treat patients all day long and no patient is getting wisdom teeth “ripped out”.

You seem very feminine and afraid. Why is that?[/quote]

I think we need to define what aggression means.

“In psychology, as well as other social and behavioral sciences, aggression (also called combativeness) refers to behavior between members of the same species that is intended to cause pain or harm.”

Who are you planning to cause pain or harm to Professor X?
[/quote]

Gee, the definition from Webster also includes:

[quote]1 : a forceful action or procedure (as an unprovoked attack) especially when intended to dominate or master[/quote]…which means you sure are being selective…like that is a surprise.

I mean, people like you are mostly just “passive aggressive” anyway, you just don['t like doing the dirty work yourself…much like your continuous action to make it seem as if I don’t know how to act professionally after about 8 years of practice in my career.

It took quite a lot of “forceful action and procedure” as well as attention to detail to even get to this point in my life at an age that most people DON’T. Most people are not doctors while still in their 20’s and most have not been officers and in positions over people several years older than them before the age of 30. If you think someone can pull that off while acting like an insane lunatic, you are greatly mistaken.

Again, you seem feminine and afraid. Why is that?

I am a very aggressive person. I see what I want and I go after it until I get it. Most people are NOT that way anymore. They want to avoid hard work and avoid paying their dues. They want to be pampered and respected without earning any of it.

Once again, why does being aggressive translate into harm and pain for someone like you?[/quote]

Another solid post. This thread is making me want to run outside and Roar.

V

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]Hellfrost wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]Hellfrost wrote:
Looks like everyone here knows exactly how to be a MAN!

What the hell is up with this bullshit where you have to be aggressive to get things done? You are not being chased by an 800 pound fucking saber-tooth… your posting on T-Nation on your comfortable chair with four walls and a roof. You are right, we need more aggressive people… we need more aggressive fathers beating their wives, more aggressive surgeons cutting you open and more aggressive dentists ripping off your wisdom teeth with their bare hands because some fat ladies made fun of their eating. [/quote]

You seem confused. Why does being aggressive translate into something negative for you? This entire country would not have been founded without some very aggressive people working to make that happen.

Hell, most of the inventions that now make your life so easy were created by REBELS and freethinkers…exactly what you seem to now hate.

Explain why being aggressive relates to destruction and pain for you.

I treat patients all day long and no patient is getting wisdom teeth “ripped out”.

You seem very feminine and afraid. Why is that?[/quote]

I think we need to define what aggression means.

“In psychology, as well as other social and behavioral sciences, aggression (also called combativeness) refers to behavior between members of the same species that is intended to cause pain or harm.”

Who are you planning to cause pain or harm to Professor X?
[/quote]

Gee, the definition from Webster also includes:

[quote]1 : a forceful action or procedure (as an unprovoked attack) especially when intended to dominate or master[/quote]…which means you sure are being selective…like that is a surprise.

I mean, people like you are mostly just “passive aggressive” anyway, you just don['t like doing the dirty work yourself…much like your continuous action to make it seem as if I don’t know how to act professionally after about 8 years of practice in my career.

It took quite a lot of “forceful action and procedure” as well as attention to detail to even get to this point in my life at an age that most people DON’T. Most people are not doctors while still in their 20’s and most have not been officers and in positions over people several years older than them before the age of 30. If you think someone can pull that off while acting like an insane lunatic, you are greatly mistaken.

Again, you seem feminine and afraid. Why is that?

I am a very aggressive person. I see what I want and I go after it until I get it. Most people are NOT that way anymore. They want to avoid hard work and avoid paying their dues. They want to be pampered and respected without earning any of it.

Once again, why does being aggressive translate into harm and pain for someone like you?[/quote]

I like how you are calling out my credibility by calling me feminine and “avoid doing the dirty work”. I do not have the same experience as you due to you being older then me. However you have been lucky to be born in a country where you have been safe all your life, no need to have gotten up in arms to protect what you love.

You think aggression leads to innovation, perhaps focused aggression can, but brutal violent aggression serves nothing this day and age.

My government left my country and stole all of it’s people’s investments. There was no military, police, or any form of control for over 6 months. We broke the military arsenals and stole everything… there was a loaded tank sitting in front of my house. We as the people rose and took control of what our government could not. But then people started getting aggressive and violent, if you walked down the street you could have been shot in the head and no one would have done anything about it.

I was fortunate enough to come to this country, however I have done more then enough work to put your medical degree to shame. The Ferrari to my left was earned with real blood. I had to see someone beat to death in front of me while someone held a loaded gun to my face this summer.

This is not the same thing as you talking about a few people who can’t lift weights in the gym and calling them pussies and how your society is becoming feminine. Call me a pussy, weak, and feminine, but you don’t know real aggression until your life hangs in the balance.

[quote]Hellfrost wrote:

I like how you are calling out my credibility by calling me feminine and “avoid doing the dirty work”. [/quote]

I call it like I see it, Dorothy.

[quote]
I do not have the same experience as you due to you being older then me. However you have been lucky to be born in a country where you have been safe all your life, no need to have gotten up in arms to protect what you love. [/quote]

What? I wrote officer before…as in MILITARY officer. Care to rethink that?

You’re right, you have not had the experiences I have had and likely never will. Guys like you sit on the sidelines throwing tomatoes at guys like me until you need someone to save your ass.

[quote]
You think aggression leads to innovation, perhaps focused aggression can, but brutal violent aggression serves nothing this day and age. [/quote]

Once again, why do you relate being aggressive to being violent?

If you walked down Martin Luther King Blvd in Houston, Tx at night in the 80’s and early 90’s the same thing could happen. Guess what, you ain’t special.

[quote]
I was fortunate enough to come to this country, however I have done more then enough work to put your medical degree to shame. The Ferrari to my left was earned with real blood. I had to see someone beat to death in front of me while someone held a loaded gun to my face this summer.[/quote]

I have poor hearing in my left ear from having a gun go off near my head in junior high walking home from school.

Want to compare scars?

Oh, I’m buying a new house. Maybe that compares with your wonderful Ferrari that began to lose value the moment your ass got into it. Which is the better investment, Dorothy?

[quote]

This is not the same thing as you talking about a few people who can’t lift weights in the gym and calling them pussies and how your society is becoming feminine. Call me a pussy, weak, and feminine, but you don’t know real aggression until your life hangs in the balance. [/quote]

Uh, yeah.

[quote]angry chicken wrote:

[quote]Hellfrost wrote:
Looks like everyone here knows exactly how to be a MAN!

What the hell is up with this bullshit where you have to be aggressive to get things done? You are not being chased by an 800 pound fucking saber-tooth… your posting on T-Nation on your comfortable chair with four walls and a roof. You are right, we need more aggressive people… we need more aggressive fathers beating their wives, more aggressive surgeons cutting you open and more aggressive dentists ripping off your wisdom teeth with their bare hands because some fat ladies made fun of their eating.

I don’t think you realize that anyone that has been different from anyone else has been shunned by everyone else for as long as societies have formed. People used to get stoned, chopped their balls off, and run a steak through their ass to their head for speaking their minds. If you don’t like your job, then be an aggressive male and burn the place down, I am sure that will be more liberating then listening to people bitch about your training and eating.

“On a day in 399 BC the philosopher Socrates stood before a jury of 500 of his fellow Athenians accused of “refusing to recognize the gods recognized by the state” and “of corrupting the youth.” Socrates was found guilty by a vote of 280 to 220.” Death was his form of punishment.

Why do you care what other people are doing? Most of our population is actually very calm because we work together as one. Do you think we would be the dominant species if everyone was starting riots about every person that looks at them the wrong way?

Face it, most of you are not in a place of power where you can change much of the outside world. Remaining calm, defusing the situation and coming on top is the best weapon you have with that cranium of yours.

As for the expensive meat, have you ever tried raising a calf into a full cow? No? I’ll tell you it’s not the cheapest thing. However the prices are high, but so what? if you own a cattle farm you would raise your prices and try to create an equilibrium point in your market supply and demand. Nothing against steak, it’s just how people make money.

I don’t know what it takes to be a “real” man, but I know that being an out of control, pissed off aggressive male is not it.[/quote]

Not trying to be “aggressive” or “combative” here, but it sounds like you grew up with a silver fucking spoon in your mouth. That’s not a crime, but it certainly doesn’t give you the right to tell me that I didn’t have to survive where I happened to be born. You’re right, I never have been chased by an 800 pound sabertooth. I have been chased by a gang of 20 men when I was 14. When they caught me they beat me to the point where they broke a fence with my body. They broke my neck in two places. Swole my eyes shut and fucked me up so that my own mother didn’t recognize me.

That’s where I grew up, so Yeah, I needed to be aggressive. And combative. I ended up in prison where I was in an environment that made where I grew up look like a spring picnic on a sunny day. Stabbed five times in 3.5 years. All of this occurred in the great state of Maryland. So I’m not quite sure where YOU grew up, but don’t tell me where I grew up and what I needed to do to survive.

Yeah, I’m in my living room in my comfortable condo now posting on T-Nation. I fucking earned it! And FTR, I’ve never beaten a woman in my life. You’ve got some very interesting ideas wrapped up in your head. [/quote]

Aggression to survive is evolutionary and the only time when it is really needed. If your survival is at stake, like a wounded animal you will fight back. The same can be applied as Prof X said about this country being made. Their survival (aka control) was threatened and aggression had to meet oppression.

Being aggressive and punching walls because your girlfriend did not call you or you hate weak people is not the same thing. As what a lot of these posts are about.

[quote]Hellfrost wrote:

Aggression to survive is evolutionary and the only time when it is really needed. If your survival is at stake, like a wounded animal you will fight back. The same can be applied as Prof X said about this country being made. Their survival (aka control) was threatened and aggression had to meet oppression.

Being aggressive and punching walls because your girlfriend did not call you or you hate weak people is not the same thing. As what a lot of these posts are about. [/quote]

Oh, you type slow too. How the hell did I beat you when my post is longer?

Your “check estrogen level” light is blinking.

Hell frost

Aggressive can have multiple meanings. I meant it as in going for what you want aggressively. Not starting fightings for no reason. but certainly fighting for what is right, defending oneself and others. Totally agreee on the trying to be manly and being a prick. Those are frauds+ social retards. Takeing action is aggressive. Someone needs help be the one to take charge and go for it. Someone in trouble be the one to take the risk and help them. You want something aggressively go get it. THAT is what I mean by aggressive and how it fits into our world.

FACT= Testosterone levels were on average around 700-800 in the 1920s when it was first tested now it is on average 300-400 .
It’s not complicated manhood= effects of prenatal,postnatal testosterone (research them) + the qualities that our natural habitat requires in a man to survive and thrive. Everyone does know what it takes to be a man we instinctively know.

Also masculinity doesn’t always = good crimes are in usually masculine actions (takeing action,risks I am talking only about the good aspects that we should keep. And getting rid of this bullshit walking on eggshells and lack of honesty (not throwing a tantrum I mean calmly). And hating the world is bad but getting angry once in a while is good.

You definetly make good points. Totally agree this is talk and could be improved but honestly societys views really don’t effect my life at all. And overall we are as good as a society has ever been (no slavery, no seperation of races, very little racism, great deal of freedom (although we could use a bit more imo), democracy, etc.

Don’t get the wrong idea it’s not doomsday, I love our society and the world. But that doesn’t mean we shouldn’t constantly be looking for improvement in any way, thats how it became great in the first place.

[quote]Hellfrost wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]Hellfrost wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]Hellfrost wrote:
Looks like everyone here knows exactly how to be a MAN!

What the hell is up with this bullshit where you have to be aggressive to get things done? You are not being chased by an 800 pound fucking saber-tooth… your posting on T-Nation on your comfortable chair with four walls and a roof. You are right, we need more aggressive people… we need more aggressive fathers beating their wives, more aggressive surgeons cutting you open and more aggressive dentists ripping off your wisdom teeth with their bare hands because some fat ladies made fun of their eating. [/quote]

You seem confused. Why does being aggressive translate into something negative for you? This entire country would not have been founded without some very aggressive people working to make that happen.

Hell, most of the inventions that now make your life so easy were created by REBELS and freethinkers…exactly what you seem to now hate.

Explain why being aggressive relates to destruction and pain for you.

I treat patients all day long and no patient is getting wisdom teeth “ripped out”.

You seem very feminine and afraid. Why is that?[/quote]

I think we need to define what aggression means.

“In psychology, as well as other social and behavioral sciences, aggression (also called combativeness) refers to behavior between members of the same species that is intended to cause pain or harm.”

Who are you planning to cause pain or harm to Professor X?
[/quote]

Gee, the definition from Webster also includes:

[quote]1 : a forceful action or procedure (as an unprovoked attack) especially when intended to dominate or master[/quote]…which means you sure are being selective…like that is a surprise.

I mean, people like you are mostly just “passive aggressive” anyway, you just don['t like doing the dirty work yourself…much like your continuous action to make it seem as if I don’t know how to act professionally after about 8 years of practice in my career.

It took quite a lot of “forceful action and procedure” as well as attention to detail to even get to this point in my life at an age that most people DON’T. Most people are not doctors while still in their 20’s and most have not been officers and in positions over people several years older than them before the age of 30. If you think someone can pull that off while acting like an insane lunatic, you are greatly mistaken.

Again, you seem feminine and afraid. Why is that?

I am a very aggressive person. I see what I want and I go after it until I get it. Most people are NOT that way anymore. They want to avoid hard work and avoid paying their dues. They want to be pampered and respected without earning any of it.

Once again, why does being aggressive translate into harm and pain for someone like you?[/quote]

I like how you are calling out my credibility by calling me feminine and “avoid doing the dirty work”. I do not have the same experience as you due to you being older then me. However you have been lucky to be born in a country where you have been safe all your life, no need to have gotten up in arms to protect what you love.

You think aggression leads to innovation, perhaps focused aggression can, but brutal violent aggression serves nothing this day and age.

My government left my country and stole all of it’s people’s investments. There was no military, police, or any form of control for over 6 months. We broke the military arsenals and stole everything… there was a loaded tank sitting in front of my house. We as the people rose and took control of what our government could not. But then people started getting aggressive and violent, if you walked down the street you could have been shot in the head and no one would have done anything about it.

I was fortunate enough to come to this country, however I have done more then enough work to put your medical degree to shame. The Ferrari to my left was earned with real blood. I had to see someone beat to death in front of me while someone held a loaded gun to my face this summer.

This is not the same thing as you talking about a few people who can’t lift weights in the gym and calling them pussies and how your society is becoming feminine. Call me a pussy, weak, and feminine, but you don’t know real aggression until your life hangs in the balance. [/quote]

The last two people who held a gun to my face are now walking around with nine fingers. So now, that you have dropped a little street cred, I am VERY confused: Apparently your aggression and combativeness got you through the child hood experiences and allowed you to survive… So when you say it serves nothing in this day and age, you are contradicting yourself - It allowed you to survive.

Do you regret that? Is there a part of you that feels shame or guilt around the fact that someone close to you DIDN’T survive? Are you now projecting your shame onto the whole concept of aggression? But then you apparently have placed yourself in a position where you have a gun and a murder (assuming for the moment that you’re not trollin’)… I’d love to hear some clarification on this…

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]Hellfrost wrote:

Aggression to survive is evolutionary and the only time when it is really needed. If your survival is at stake, like a wounded animal you will fight back. The same can be applied as Prof X said about this country being made. Their survival (aka control) was threatened and aggression had to meet oppression.

Being aggressive and punching walls because your girlfriend did not call you or you hate weak people is not the same thing. As what a lot of these posts are about. [/quote]

Oh, you type slow too. How the hell did I beat you when my post is longer?

Your “check estrogen level” light is blinking.[/quote]

I was going to reply to your post, but obviously you are acting like a child.

From the webster definition since you skipped the other 2!

1 : a forceful action or procedure (as an unprovoked attack) especially when intended to dominate or master
2 : the practice of making attacks or encroachments; especially : unprovoked violation by one country of the territorial integrity of another
3 : hostile, injurious, or destructive behavior or outlook especially when caused by frustration

Unprovoked violence, hostile, destructive behavior caused by frustration is aggression. You whining every day about fat ladies at work is not, get over yourself.

As for the house comment, congratulations! a lot of people don’t own one. But please don’t talk about my hobby and you buying a house as a better investment.

[quote]angry chicken wrote:

[quote]Hellfrost wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]Hellfrost wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]Hellfrost wrote:
Looks like everyone here knows exactly how to be a MAN!

What the hell is up with this bullshit where you have to be aggressive to get things done? You are not being chased by an 800 pound fucking saber-tooth… your posting on T-Nation on your comfortable chair with four walls and a roof. You are right, we need more aggressive people… we need more aggressive fathers beating their wives, more aggressive surgeons cutting you open and more aggressive dentists ripping off your wisdom teeth with their bare hands because some fat ladies made fun of their eating. [/quote]

You seem confused. Why does being aggressive translate into something negative for you? This entire country would not have been founded without some very aggressive people working to make that happen.

Hell, most of the inventions that now make your life so easy were created by REBELS and freethinkers…exactly what you seem to now hate.

Explain why being aggressive relates to destruction and pain for you.

I treat patients all day long and no patient is getting wisdom teeth “ripped out”.

You seem very feminine and afraid. Why is that?[/quote]

I think we need to define what aggression means.

“In psychology, as well as other social and behavioral sciences, aggression (also called combativeness) refers to behavior between members of the same species that is intended to cause pain or harm.”

Who are you planning to cause pain or harm to Professor X?
[/quote]

Gee, the definition from Webster also includes:

[quote]1 : a forceful action or procedure (as an unprovoked attack) especially when intended to dominate or master[/quote]…which means you sure are being selective…like that is a surprise.

I mean, people like you are mostly just “passive aggressive” anyway, you just don['t like doing the dirty work yourself…much like your continuous action to make it seem as if I don’t know how to act professionally after about 8 years of practice in my career.

It took quite a lot of “forceful action and procedure” as well as attention to detail to even get to this point in my life at an age that most people DON’T. Most people are not doctors while still in their 20’s and most have not been officers and in positions over people several years older than them before the age of 30. If you think someone can pull that off while acting like an insane lunatic, you are greatly mistaken.

Again, you seem feminine and afraid. Why is that?

I am a very aggressive person. I see what I want and I go after it until I get it. Most people are NOT that way anymore. They want to avoid hard work and avoid paying their dues. They want to be pampered and respected without earning any of it.

Once again, why does being aggressive translate into harm and pain for someone like you?[/quote]

I like how you are calling out my credibility by calling me feminine and “avoid doing the dirty work”. I do not have the same experience as you due to you being older then me. However you have been lucky to be born in a country where you have been safe all your life, no need to have gotten up in arms to protect what you love.

You think aggression leads to innovation, perhaps focused aggression can, but brutal violent aggression serves nothing this day and age.

My government left my country and stole all of it’s people’s investments. There was no military, police, or any form of control for over 6 months. We broke the military arsenals and stole everything… there was a loaded tank sitting in front of my house. We as the people rose and took control of what our government could not. But then people started getting aggressive and violent, if you walked down the street you could have been shot in the head and no one would have done anything about it.

I was fortunate enough to come to this country, however I have done more then enough work to put your medical degree to shame. The Ferrari to my left was earned with real blood. I had to see someone beat to death in front of me while someone held a loaded gun to my face this summer.

This is not the same thing as you talking about a few people who can’t lift weights in the gym and calling them pussies and how your society is becoming feminine. Call me a pussy, weak, and feminine, but you don’t know real aggression until your life hangs in the balance. [/quote]

The last two people who held a gun to my face are now walking around with nine fingers. So now, that you have dropped a little street cred, I am VERY confused: Apparently your aggression and combativeness got you through the child hood experiences and allowed you to survive… So when you say it serves nothing in this day and age, you are contradicting yourself - It allowed you to survive.

Do you regret that? Is there a part of you that feels shame or guilt around the fact that someone close to you DIDN’T survive? Are you now projecting your shame onto the whole concept of aggression? But then you apparently have placed yourself in a position where you have a gun and a murder (assuming for the moment that you’re not trollin’)… I’d love to hear some clarification on this…[/quote]

Professor X says how people need to be more aggressive. He obviously ignores the part where people getting killed because of misunderstandings. How many times have people been killed because of some punk trying to act tough and aggressive? Why do weak willed people exert their aggression through violence while the level headed people always create strives that push us forward as a civilization?

[quote]angry chicken wrote:

The last two people who held a gun to my face are now walking around with nine fingers. So now, that you have dropped a little street cred, I am VERY confused: Apparently your aggression and combativeness got you through the child hood experiences and allowed you to survive… So when you say it serves nothing in this day and age, you are contradicting yourself - It allowed you to survive.

Do you regret that? Is there a part of you that feels shame or guilt around the fact that someone close to you DIDN’T survive? Are you now projecting your shame onto the whole concept of aggression? But then you apparently have placed yourself in a position where you have a gun and a murder (assuming for the moment that you’re not trollin’)… I’d love to hear some clarification on this…[/quote]

Good post…and I agree. He’s a hypocrite.