I can’t find the paragraph at present but Dr Mauro DiPasquale in the anabolic diet strongly advises against the use of MCT’s whilst utilising the AD. But, says it is useful during a higher carbohydrate approach. Can anyone provide a bit more detail on this matter?
I don’t know if you would call this more detail, but:
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DiPasquale provides no evidence such as stating it’s been tried and did not work. (Or if he has, I am not aware of it and I have many times asked people asking this question what evidence DiPasquale provides and they never can state any.) He provides only reasoning.
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His reasoning – that MCT’s are undesirable on the anabolic diet because they are so readily burned for energy and, supposedly, there you have it – makes no sense.
What, you don’t want your dietary fats to be used for energy? You would rather have them stored as fat?
[quote]Bill Roberts wrote:
I don’t know if you would call this more detail, but:
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DiPasquale provides no evidence such as stating it’s been tried and did not work. (Or if he has, I am not aware of it and I have many times asked people asking this question what evidence DiPasquale provides and they never can state any.) He provides only reasoning.
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His reasoning – that MCT’s are undesirable on the anabolic diet because they are so readily burned for energy and, supposedly, there you have it – makes no sense.
What, you don’t want your dietary fats to be used for energy? You would rather have them stored as fat?[/quote]
Yeah, I thought those comments made by him were rather strange…
Lyle McDonald in his Ultimate DIet, prefers most fat sources come from MCT’s, so yeah.
[quote]Bill Roberts wrote:
While I cannot prove that it is so, to name the three or four best fats for bodybuilding as personal opinion I would add in egg fat and milk fat.[/quote]
I’m suddently reminded of the old Saturday Night Live Bears Fan skits, where George Wendt has a heart attack, and the doc explains to him patiently that he needs a balance in his pork fat, beef fat, and cheese fat in his system. He also has an entire sausage lodged in his heart.
[quote]Bill Roberts wrote:
I don’t know if you would call this more detail, but:
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DiPasquale provides no evidence such as stating it’s been tried and did not work. (Or if he has, I am not aware of it and I have many times asked people asking this question what evidence DiPasquale provides and they never can state any.) He provides only reasoning.
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His reasoning – that MCT’s are undesirable on the anabolic diet because they are so readily burned for energy and, supposedly, there you have it – makes no sense.
What, you don’t want your dietary fats to be used for energy? You would rather have them stored as fat?[/quote]
The rationale is that introducing large amounts of MCTs while on the AD will disrupt the burning of body fat since the whole idea is to get your metabolism fat adapted and humming along on body fat and LCTs. MCTs are a different substrate and disrupt the mechanisms at work… or at least that’s my interpretation from reading the AD book.
The idea is not that MCTs are better stored as fat, but rather they should be minimized along with CHO.
Hey Bill, the only thing you could do to be more useful to me and my uptake of knowledge is use the quote function more regularly so I don’t have to do any work at all by reading other posts to find out who you are responding too ((even though your post is normally the next in line from the question asked))
That being said, if you dismiss my round-about compliment and continue to not use the quote function, I shall not lose any sleep.
Thanks again : )
[quote]bino wrote:
Bill Roberts wrote:
I don’t know if you would call this more detail, but:
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DiPasquale provides no evidence such as stating it’s been tried and did not work. (Or if he has, I am not aware of it and I have many times asked people asking this question what evidence DiPasquale provides and they never can state any.) He provides only reasoning.
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His reasoning – that MCT’s are undesirable on the anabolic diet because they are so readily burned for energy and, supposedly, there you have it – makes no sense.
What, you don’t want your dietary fats to be used for energy? You would rather have them stored as fat?
The rationale is that introducing large amounts of MCTs while on the AD will disrupt the burning of body fat since the whole idea is to get your metabolism fat adapted and humming along on body fat and LCTs. MCTs are a different substrate and disrupt the mechanisms at work… or at least that’s my interpretation from reading the AD book.[/quote]
But there is absolutely no biochemistry that can back that.
I know Dr DiPasquale is a very smart man and highly respect him, but everyone says something that is wrong sometimes. This was the one example I know of in his case.
[quote]Intermezzo wrote:
Hey Bill, the only thing you could do to be more useful to me and my uptake of knowledge is use the quote function more regularly so I don’t have to do any work at all by reading other posts to find out who you are responding too ((even though your post is normally the next in line from the question asked))
That being said, if you dismiss my round-about compliment and continue to not use the quote function, I shall not lose any sleep.
Thanks again : )[/quote]
You’re right: often I have to edit my posts to put the quote in. This occurs when there are other posts in the queue and I was expecting mine to appear immediately below the one I was responding to, but it doesn’t.
In other cases there’s no quote because I’m responding to the OP.
The basic thing is that aesthetically I prefer minimizing the amount of quoted text appearing, but I overdo this.
I quote Mr McDonald specifically referring to the use of mcts whilst on a low carb diet.
(I know he is not Mr popular around here, but he is still pretty clued up on most dietry matters)
This may help to clarify something for someone, but I apologise if it does not. 
“Medium chain triglycerides (MCTs). Unlike longer chain fats, MCTs go the liver and are available
for use far more rapidly by other tissue. In addition, MCTs are preferentially used to produce
ketone bodies which can be used instead of glucose, amino acids or fatty acids by most tissues of
the body. In some studies this has a protein sparing effect and this is especially true in the initial
periods on a low-calorie low-carbohydrate diet.”
How about coconut milk vs coconut oil? I can find a lot of references on oil but how similar in benefits is coconut milk? I can get these little cans of coconut milk (~300 cals, almost all fat) and it’s much more convenient and yummier than the oil.
Feel free to substitute.