[quote]Meatros wrote:
I demand your respect and attention. I have plenty to say as I’m coming into my own now. Look out world because I have arrived! [/quote]
Plenty of time on your hands? Well, go enjoy your Christmas break from school junior. We all know that you’re 100% correct in your thinking. In fact I sit here and marvel at the intelligence that you’ve shown. I’m sure your parents are very proud of you, I know I am and I hardly know you.
You shine son!
Take care,
Zeb
[quote]ZEB wrote:
[quote]Meatros wrote:
I demand your respect and attention. I have plenty to say as I’m coming into my own now. Look out world because I have arrived! [/quote]
Plenty of time on your hands? Well, go enjoy your Christmas break from school junior. We all know that you’re 100% correct in your thinking. In fact I sit here and marvel at the intelligence that you’ve shown. I’m sure your parents are very proud of you, I know I am and I hardly know you.
You shine son!
Take care,
Zeb
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Ah, mockery, the last resort. You know, by some people’s standards, your level of ‘argumentation’ would make you a liberal.
Did you get that joke or was it too complicated and you need me to break it down for you?
[quote]Meatros wrote:
[quote]ZEB wrote:
[quote]Meatros wrote:
I demand your respect and attention. I have plenty to say as I’m coming into my own now. Look out world because I have arrived! [/quote]
Plenty of time on your hands? Well, go enjoy your Christmas break from school junior. We all know that you’re 100% correct in your thinking. In fact I sit here and marvel at the intelligence that you’ve shown. I’m sure your parents are very proud of you, I know I am and I hardly know you.
You shine son!
Take care,
Zeb
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Ah, mockery, the last resort. You know, by some people’s standards, your level of ‘argumentation’ would make you a liberal.
Did you get that joke or was it too complicated and you need me to break it down for you? [/quote]
You do not really get that some people only have so much time and that it is indeed rational to pick your battles?
Seems to me that his “irrationality” is highly “rstional” in terms of time efficiency.
However, someome as rational as you surely knows that you cannot know whether someone else acts rational unless you know what he is trying to achieve.
But orion in Meatros world it all makes perfect sense.
[quote]orion wrote:
You do not really get that some people only have so much time and that it is indeed rational to pick your battles?
Seems to me that his “irrationality” is highly “rstional” in terms of time efficiency.
However, someome as rational as you surely knows that you cannot know whether someone else acts rational unless you know what he is trying to achieve.
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That makes no sense. So you are suggesting that he has time to whip up cartoon opposition, but no time to actually defend his views? Why bother whipping up a cartoon opposition in the first place?
As to rationality, what I am referring to is the level of his argumentation, which is poor. If he’s attempting to achieve being viewed as irrational, then bravo, he has done so in spades.
[quote]Meatros wrote:
Why bother whipping up a cartoon opposition in the first place?
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Been doing this a long time and frankly that’s all you’re worth kid.
[quote]ZEB wrote:
[quote]Meatros wrote:
Why bother whipping up a cartoon opposition in the first place?
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Been doing this a long time and frankly that’s all you’re worth kid.
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I don’t doubt that you’ve been spouting off a lot of nonsense for a long time. For someone with such a limited time to discuss these things, you certainly find the time to come back and insult me. Seems like I’ve gotten to you, doesn’t it? 
Keep calling me kid though, maybe it’ll make you feel better, more justified in your dogmatic position. That way you don’t have to think about anything, no need to let that ‘learning stuff’ get in the way of what you think to be true, right?
[quote]Meatros wrote:
Boo hoo, pay attention to me, I’m important, my mom and dad say so, so it must be true.[/quote]
I tried to read your post but this is all that came across.
[quote]ZEB wrote:
[quote]Meatros wrote:
Boo hoo, pay attention to me, I’m important, my mom and dad say so, so it must be true.[/quote]
I tried to read your post but this is all that came across.
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I have no doubt that you have problems reading. Thanks for admitting it though. I’m done wasting my time with you.
[quote]Meatros wrote:
[quote]orion wrote:
You do not really get that some people only have so much time and that it is indeed rational to pick your battles?
Seems to me that his “irrationality” is highly “rstional” in terms of time efficiency.
However, someome as rational as you surely knows that you cannot know whether someone else acts rational unless you know what he is trying to achieve.
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That makes no sense. So you are suggesting that he has time to whip up cartoon opposition, but no time to actually defend his views? Why bother whipping up a cartoon opposition in the first place?
As to rationality, what I am referring to is the level of his argumentation, which is poor. If he’s attempting to achieve being viewed as irrational, then bravo, he has done so in spades.[/quote]
Perhaps he is entering a discussion that is held on a cartoon level anyway just for the lulz, though I doubt that he would phrase it that way.
Also, “irrationality” is probably not as big of a problem for him as you might think it should be. He is a Christian and he is fully aware that he is perceived as irrational by other people for that alone and yet he is unabashedly religious anyway - but maybe this also serves a rational purpose for him.
You cannot know, and that claim that you can is worse than known and accepted irrationality like with him, it is irrationality in the disguise of rationality. It lacks the humility and the knowledge of the boundaries of reason that is a prerequisite for a “rational” pursuit of knowledge.
[quote]orion wrote:
Perhaps he is entering a discussion that is held on a cartoon level anyway just for the lulz, though I doubt that he would phrase it that way. [/quote]
The first post I commented on was where he was chiding another poster for calling liberals idiots. He then proceeded to concoct a strawman of what constitutes a liberal and steadfastly refused to defend it.
He could be doing it for the lulz, of course, but so what?
[quote]orion wrote:
Also, “irrationality” is probably not as big of a problem for him as you might think it should be. He is a Christian and he is fully aware that he is perceived as irrational by other people for that alone and yet he is unabashedly religious anyway - but maybe this also serves a rational purpose for him.[/quote]
That might be true as well - although as I digression, I don’t feel that all christians are irrational, necessarily. He made a point of saying that he got into debates on these issues - debates are not simply name calling contests, which is all he engaged in. Maybe he actually thinks that is what a debate is, if so, then that probably contributes to our misunderstanding.
[quote]orion wrote:
You cannot know, and that claim that you can is worse than known and accepted irrationality like with him, it is irrationality in the disguise of rationality. It lacks the humility and the knowledge of the boundaries of reason that is a prerequisite for a “rational” pursuit of knowledge.[/quote]
I don’t think this is correct - yes, it’s possible he is attempting to put up a front of irrationality. So his actions would be rational in the sense that he is achieving what he is attempting to achieve. However, we can only make rational decisions based on the evidence provided. I am not making any claims of certainty here, keep that in mind, but from the evidence provided, I can make an abductive appeal to the notion that he’s arguing irrationally. It best fits the evidence provided. I don’t think that lacks humility and it certainly isn’t a claim towards deductive certainty.
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[quote]Meatros wrote:
Sniff, sniff.[/quote]
[quote]JHollywood wrote:
Liberals are taught to think that anyone on the right is evil and stupid, because it’s a lot safer than engaging in informed and level-headed debate/discussions over principles.
I’m basically a conservative because 1) I believe that government should be limited, and have less control in the lives of citizens 2) I do not believe that people are basically good, just misunderstood 3) the world is pretty sick and messed up, but there are things more important than being nice, and those things are worth fighting for.
I believe in private charity - not in government handouts.
I believe the American government should protect its people first - not treat it as just another country in the U.N. roster.
I believe in free speech - not the right to be free from being offended.
I believe all men are created equal - not that it’s the government’s place to control success in order to keep everyone at an equal level.
I believe in hard work and responsibility - not in the vague term “social justice” or “fairness.” After all, what is your “fair share” of what someone else has worked for?
These are tricky areas for debate with liberals, or anyone for that matter. Talk about principles and cause-and-effect instead of resorting to calling names.
Of course, anyone who declares these kind of ideas is just “parroting” some talkshow “nutjob” though, so what do I know…[/quote]
Nice, I think I’m going to save this message on my computer. All what I thought expressed in a short and direct way. I like it.
What ever happened to letting the state and local governments decide what is best for their citizens? Why does everything have to be nationwide?
[quote]Nominal Prospect wrote:
PRCal, you make good posts, but as for this:
[quote]PRCalDude wrote:
As near as I can tell, blacks place a lot of value on education just like whites/asians.[/quote]
Say what? What criteria did you use to reach that determination?[/quote]
They say they value it. Of course, with their illegitimacy rate approaching 75%, there are practically no fathers around to make them do their homework.
You can google “IQ and the Wealth of Nations” if you like. Also read, “Liberal Creationism” by William Saletan on Slate. It’s pretty good. I hope you won’t go as far as to assert that “IQ doesn’t matter” like Malcolm Gladwell:
But, mostly, you just need to do a thought experiment in your head. Not all races look the same. We do not have all the same average heights, skin colors, eye shapes, head shapes, limb lengths, etc. These things do vary, on average, from race to race. In other words, I can point to a West African and say, “That looks like a West African.” I can do the same with a Han Chinese, or a German, etc. That being said, there is no a priori reason to assume that the same evolutionary factors that affected the phenotypes of different races over time DID NOT affect average IQs amongst the different races. In other words, there’s no reason to believe human evolution stopped at the neck when it comes to differentiating between haplogroups.
While compelling, I dont see either of those sources as enough to convince me. Not that I am sticking to a party line or anything, but I feel the statistical representions are not viable enough to warrant a connection. Too much possibility of bias.
I dont believe Gladwell said IQ doesnt matter, he said there are other factors such as sociability and opportunity that affect it. His counter example was a very brilliant person but had some flaws. I do enjoy his books.