Before the signing of the Civil Rights act, being a Republican meant your views were more liberal than not. After it was signed, all the southern states shifted to the republican party, since it was a Democratic president that signed the bill. Now the Republican party is usually made up of people that have traditional ideals; believe in God, the woman stays in the kitchen, you can beat your kid, marijuana is evil, homosexuality is evil, abortion is bad, everyone should own a gun… not saying all or even the majority of Republicans think this way, but never the less, the stereotype remains.
So in essense, to believe any of those things in today’s world is a little backwards, it was okay to believe all of this 100 years ago but its time for extreme conservatives to let go of the old way of things. People view Republicans as people who agree with one or more of the statements above.
[quote]spyoptic wrote:
Before the signing of the Civil Rights act, being a Republican meant your views were more liberal than not. After it was signed, all the southern states shifted to the republican party, since it was a Democratic president that signed the bill. Now the Republican party is usually made up of people that have traditional ideals…[/quote]
Isn’t that conservatism? Traditional ideals? According to this thread conservatism was, what, libertarianism? Pro-gay marriage, pro-choice, secular, mother and wife working, conservatism was the norm? I don’t buy this claim. And heck, abolition was strongly motivated by religious beliefs. Maybe for liberaltarians in the GoP, but not conservatives.
I think libertarians shouldn’t worry so much about us, and worry more about themselves.
Alot of people don’t want to argue facts, and they don’t want to use cause and effect, nor take historical precents to show them. They just want to play the ‘I feel I’m right,’ and that is what really fucks things up.
[quote]spyoptic wrote:people that have traditional ideals; believe in God, the woman stays in the kitchen, you can beat your kid, marijuana is evil, homosexuality is evil, abortion is bad, everyone should own a gun…
So in essense, to believe any of those things in today’s world is a little backwards[/quote]
Why are these ideals backwards?
Belief in God is backwards?
Being able to discipline your children when they misbehave is backwards?
Being able to protect yourself and your family is backwards?
Believing the killing of children is immoral is backwards?
Having a single income household is backwards?
Believing putting your penis in another mans butt is disgusting is backwards?
[quote]forensic91 wrote:
Now I don’t wanna turn this into a heated political debate.
At school I have a politics class and I seem to be the only one who seems to be more to the right. If I say anything that is right winged everyone else in the class seems to think i’m “mean and heartless” and don’t “care about the poor.” which is simply not true. The teacher tries to remain neutral but it is obvious he is more left wing. It seems like everyone in my entourage is left wing and it seems like any slight right wing ideology is “uncaring” and frowned upon. [/quote]
Probably because you’re not good at expressing your political beliefs, or your beliefs are not fully-formed.
Possibly because whatever conservative ideals you’re endorsing have been shown to be failures. For example, nobody who is generally considered serious is still talking about ‘letting the Free Market rule’ since we had the economic crash.
[quote]forensic91 wrote:
Now I don’t wanna turn this into a heated political debate.
At school I have a politics class and I seem to be the only one who seems to be more to the right. If I say anything that is right winged everyone else in the class seems to think i’m “mean and heartless” and don’t “care about the poor.” which is simply not true. The teacher tries to remain neutral but it is obvious he is more left wing. It seems like everyone in my entourage is left wing and it seems like any slight right wing ideology is “uncaring” and frowned upon. [/quote]
Probably because you’re not good at expressing your political beliefs, or your beliefs are not fully-formed.
Possibly because whatever conservative ideals you’re endorsing have been shown to be failures. For example, nobody who is generally considered serious is still talking about ‘letting the Free Market rule’ since we had the economic crash.
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Which just goes to show that “people who are generally considered” serious can be quite ignorant.
But I am glad that you put your trust in a self referential system that will say and do almost anything to grab more power.
The people who are considered to be serious and those who do the “considering someone serious” are all members of the same blowjob barn.
[quote]K2000 wrote:
Yes, everybody in America is wrong about politics except a small fringe group of Libertarians, who might even be less popular than the Greens.
Hey, did you know Ayn Rand was a swinger? Fun fact.[/quote]
You dont get it, do you?
At least when a libertarian makes a mistake it is his mistake.
When any of the collectivists make mistakes everyone else pays for it too.
We may be wrong but on our own time and money which is an excellent way to learn from them.
Also, most economists are paid by either national banks, state funded colleges and universities, or very large banks that profit from inflation and sometimes get bailed out directly.
You would immediately dismiss a scientist that claimed that global warming was a hoax if he was employed by an oil company but if people that profit from something tell you it is a-ok you do not even get slightly suspicious?
A liberal is someone who believes in limited, representational government and equality of all before the law.
What? WHAT? Thats the DUMBEST thing I’ve read in at least a year. You’ve GOT to be kidding me? Who supports affirmative action? Liberals…is that equality? No fucking way. Who supports UHC… liberals… is that limited government? WTF…dude, what color are thye skys in your world?
[quote]forensic91 wrote:
Now I don’t wanna turn this into a heated political debate.
At school I have a politics class and I seem to be the only one who seems to be more to the right. If I say anything that is right winged everyone else in the class seems to think i’m “mean and heartless” and don’t “care about the poor.” which is simply not true. The teacher tries to remain neutral but it is obvious he is more left wing. It seems like everyone in my entourage is left wing and it seems like any slight right wing ideology is “uncaring” and frowned upon. [/quote]
Probably because you’re not good at expressing your political beliefs, or your beliefs are not fully-formed.
Possibly because whatever conservative ideals you’re endorsing have been shown to be failures. For example, nobody who is generally considered serious is still talking about ‘letting the Free Market rule’ since we had the economic crash.
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A free market is still the best idea. The crash was NOT due to a free market. It was due to the interfering with it and messing with its natural forces. Even now it’s being stifled and suppressed by the powers that be.
[quote]forensic91 wrote:
Now I don’t wanna turn this into a heated political debate.
At school I have a politics class and I seem to be the only one who seems to be more to the right. If I say anything that is right winged everyone else in the class seems to think i’m “mean and heartless” and don’t “care about the poor.” which is simply not true. The teacher tries to remain neutral but it is obvious he is more left wing. It seems like everyone in my entourage is left wing and it seems like any slight right wing ideology is “uncaring” and frowned upon. [/quote]
Probably because you’re not good at expressing your political beliefs, or your beliefs are not fully-formed.
Possibly because whatever conservative ideals you’re endorsing have been shown to be failures. For example, nobody who is generally considered serious is still talking about ‘letting the Free Market rule’ since we had the economic crash.
[/quote]
Are you suggesting there’s an alternative that hasn’t crashed? Sheesh.
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
The Right wants you to believe that life is more complicated than it appears, I believe some things are more complicated, but over all life is a pretty simple thing. If you create policy that is more beneficial to the wealthy, you are (NOT) doing the poor a favor. If you want to help the poor you create policy that is conducive for the poor to elevate their living standard.[/quote]
Haha. You’re a dumb ass. The democrats/left are more to the right than the Republican party, good job at fucking yourself over on that comment.
I think you read more into that article than do I. I thought it good, I am not sure Goldwater would be a Conservative by todayâ??s standards. He would probably be a liberal Libertarian. It is funny how you can see I am fucking myself, when I am not feeling any pleasure at the moment
I think the Republican party wants you to think they are conservative , if they were they would have been pissing and moaning as King George the second was borrowing all that money from China while cutting taxes .That is like me cutting my work week by a day and increasing my spending. Not a very good Idea.
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
The Right wants you to believe that life is more complicated than it appears, I believe some things are more complicated, but over all life is a pretty simple thing. If you create policy that is more beneficial to the wealthy, you are (NOT) doing the poor a favor. If you want to help the poor you create policy that is conducive for the poor to elevate their living standard.[/quote]
Haha. You’re a dumb ass. The democrats/left are more to the right than the Republican party, good job at fucking yourself over on that comment.
I think you read more into that article than do I. I thought it good, I am not sure Goldwater would be a Conservative by todayâ??s standards. He would probably be a liberal Libertarian. It is funny how you can see I am fucking myself, when I am not feeling any pleasure at the moment
I think the Republican party wants you to think they are conservative , if they were they would have been pissing and moaning as King George the second was borrowing all that money from China while cutting taxes .That is like me cutting my work week by a day and increasing my spending. Not a very good Idea.
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I am joking, I was giving someone else a hard time while fucking with you. I made a thread with the article attached. Just trying to connect a few people on the forum because yes Classic Liberals were considered to the left in their day, but after FDR and conservatives took over both parties, both of them are to the right in classical terms, and in classical terms the liberals today or more to the right than the conservatives. Yet, now a days the modern liberal is still considered to the left, and the conservative to the right. Now the scope of main stream media is money for business or money for the poor. And the game has changed, but people still need to learn to use modern language, even though it seems romantic to use classical shit.
[quote]bigflamer wrote: And yes tme, debating a lib is more often than not a less than enjoyable experience. This, IMHO, is due to the emotionaly driven debate of the left vs a conservative or a libertarian whose debate is more often than not driven by philosiphy or principle.
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Hmmm, really? When your entire message depends upon an appeal to people’s emotions? 'Cause Beck, Hannity, Limbaugh, etc. are such scholars and emotional robots, right?
To the OP, one of the reasons you are not taken seriously is this persecution narrative. “Oh, woe is me! It’s so HARD to be a conservative!” It’s funny to me that many of these people will tell you to sack up, work harder, etc., but they can’t take a little criticism.
Another reason is that many of you constantly invoke your mythology in asserting that you are totally correct about everything and that everyone else is totally wrong. Until you admit that maybe, other viewpoints might contain at least a kernel of truth, in other words, until you become more than a somewhat amusing religious sect, people will not take you seriously. I’m not even trying to start anything here, I’m being honest.
A liberal is someone who believes in limited, representational government and equality of all before the law.
What? WHAT? Thats the DUMBEST thing I’ve read in at least a year. You’ve GOT to be kidding me? Who supports affirmative action? Liberals…is that equality? No fucking way. Who supports UHC… liberals… is that limited government? WTF…dude, what color are thye skys in your world?[/quote]
Uh, dude, he’s talking about the actual definition of a liberal. It’s not his fault you don’t know anything about politics.
[quote]Gregus wrote:
A free market is still the best idea. The crash was NOT due to a free market. It was due to the interfering with it and messing with its natural forces. Even now it’s being stifled and suppressed by the powers that be.[/quote]
This is wrong and has been debunked here and elsewhere before. Not that you’ll care.
