Why is 6 Meals a Day Better?

Nutrition
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[quote]MarvelGirl wrote:
JMoUCF87
McG78

Next time, try a completely different handle moron.

Jesus, and you’re calling other people on here ignorant.[/quote]

I realize the confusion. Actually, I am completely different from JMoUCF87. My last name is McGuiness. I wish there was some way to prove it.

One way is to say, that a lot of the primeval man stuff I talk about comes from a guy named Mark Sisson.

Another, is that I’m 28 and no longer a college student. Though, I did go to the school in Eilson’s avatar, the University of Oklahoma. That is the pick from the Big XII championship when we beat Nebraska a few years back.

Also, my use of grammar and syntax is superior to JMoUCF87. Or at least, I use it differently than he does.

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[quote]MarvelGirl wrote:
Your words are shit without pics. If you know so much then your physique should reflect it.

Let’s see what your massive knowledge has created.
[/quote]

I will simply respond to this by re-posting what T-Nation contributor and all around smart guy Alan Aragon wrote in response to a similar request in another thread:

[quote]
And thus goes the progression of the internet debate:

Bro: “Physiological process X = Y because of Z.”

Skeptic: “Oh really? Show me the research evidence.”

Bro: “It’s true because [insert guru’s name here] said so.”

Skeptic: “Mr [guru]'s opinion is irrelevant to the discussion. Show me the objective scientific evidence, not subjective opinion or testimony.”

Bro: “Do you have half-n00dz pics you can show me please? Who have you trained bro?”[/quote]

as you can see, yours was the typical (and expected) response from someone who’s world has been turned upside down because someone else hasn’t blindly conformed to their ill-conceived notions of right and wrong.

so instead of engage in level headed debate (or actually accepting a non-dogmatic viewpoint as valid) they stubbornly demand pics until 2 hours have elapsed, at which point they scurry back to their tupperware containers to wolf down another chicken breast.

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So, you look like shit. Good to know.

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[quote]McG78 wrote:
MarvelGirl wrote:
JMoUCF87
McG78

Next time, try a completely different handle moron.

Jesus, and you’re calling other people on here ignorant.

I realize the confusion. Actually, I am completely different from JMoUCF87. My last name is McGuiness. I wish there was some way to prove it.

One way is to say, that a lot of the primeval man stuff I talk about comes from a guy named Mark Sisson.

Another, is that I’m 28 and no longer a college student. Though, I did go to the school in Eilson’s avatar, the University of Oklahoma. That is the pick from the Big XII championship when we beat Nebraska a few years back.[/quote]

way to go MarvelGirl, that marks the second thread where someone has accused me of creating another account on here.

on another note, I am also a frequent visitor to marksdailyapple.com as well, however, everything he says should be taken with a grain of salt (especially his carb stuff) if you can look past that, however, its a pretty good read.

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[quote]JMoUCF87 wrote:
MarvelGirl wrote:
Your words are shit without pics. If you know so much then your physique should reflect it.

Let’s see what your massive knowledge has created.

I will simply respond to this by re-posting what T-Nation contributor and all around smart guy Alan Aragon wrote in response to a similar request in another thread:

And thus goes the progression of the internet debate:

Bro: “Physiological process X = Y because of Z.”

Skeptic: “Oh really? Show me the research evidence.”

Bro: “It’s true because [insert guru’s name here] said so.”

Skeptic: “Mr [guru]'s opinion is irrelevant to the discussion. Show me the objective scientific evidence, not subjective opinion or testimony.”

Bro: “Do you have half-n00dz pics you can show me please? Who have you trained bro?”

as you can see, yours was the typical (and expected) response from someone who’s world has been turned upside down because someone else hasn’t blindly conformed to their ill-conceived notions of right and wrong.

so instead of engage in level headed debate (or actually accepting a non-dogmatic viewpoint as valid) they stubbornly demand pics until 2 hours have elapsed, at which point they scurry back to their tupperware containers to wolf down another chicken breast.[/quote]

JMUC… it’s all good

you just keep reading and regurgitating, others will actually do and experience

if folks don’t agree with you it doesn’t mean they are wrong, or ignorant, or on drugs, it might mean they have been there and done that

you just never seem to have an open mind to anyone else’s input

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Why would I take any any advice from a guy who looks like shit?

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[quote]JMoUCF87 wrote:
McG78 wrote:
MarvelGirl wrote:
JMoUCF87
McG78

Next time, try a completely different handle moron.

Jesus, and you’re calling other people on here ignorant.

I realize the confusion. Actually, I am completely different from JMoUCF87. My last name is McGuiness. I wish there was some way to prove it.

One way is to say, that a lot of the primeval man stuff I talk about comes from a guy named Mark Sisson.

Another, is that I’m 28 and no longer a college student. Though, I did go to the school in Eilson’s avatar, the University of Oklahoma. That is the pick from the Big XII championship when we beat Nebraska a few years back.

way to go MarvelGirl, that marks the second thread where someone has accused me of creating another account on here.

on another note, I am also a frequent visitor to marksdailyapple.com as well, however, everything he says should be taken with a grain of salt (especially his carb stuff) if you can look past that, however, its a pretty good read.[/quote]

His “carb-phobia” is a little much for me. I believe carbs with a high fiber content aren’t that bad. He shys away from all of them. Though, there are some really good tidbits about why not to do cardio to burn fat (or at least better alternatives) and how to work in fasting to your nutrition plan.

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Not to really defend JMoUCF87, as I’m already accused of being him in my first posts ever, but the ad hominem argument by people as enlightened as MarvelGirl and OctoberGirl seems a little weak.

First, even if we are the same person, which we aren’t, attack our argument not the messenger.

Second, and similarly, pics of JMoUCF87 proves nothing for or against himself. The world’s best strength coaches aren’t the strongest, and the Mr. Olympia isn’t the best bodying building instructor.

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[quote]OctoberGirl wrote:
You shouldn’t just be questioning AUTHORS

You should be learning from how your own body responds

sometimes anecdotal evidence IS the truth of the matter

You don’t know every thing JMUC[/quote]

I never said I did. but thanks for not putting words in my mouth. oh, wait…

[quote]and you have a lousy way with discussing things, luckily you will grow out of it, hopefully anyways

why aren’t you saving folks at Body For Life and Weight Watchers? those are the basic dieters that you seem would benefit most from your basic posts.[/quote]

yeah, my posts generally are basic, wanna know why? because people suck at the basics. they are all caught up in the GI, insulin-to-glucagon ratio, macro and micronutrient timing etc. but ask them how many calories they’re eating and they have no clue. here’s the thing, until you get to the top 10% or so of dieters, sticking to the basics is all people need to do.

golly we’re just so advanced here aren’t we? that’s why every other post is: “what are some good bulking foods” or “in need of healthy snack ideas”

…gosh this place is so cutting edge i can hardly stand it!

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[quote]JMoUCF87 wrote:
OctoberGirl wrote:
You shouldn’t just be questioning AUTHORS

You should be learning from how your own body responds

sometimes anecdotal evidence IS the truth of the matter

You don’t know every thing JMUC

I never said I did. but thanks for not putting words in my mouth. oh, wait…

and you have a lousy way with discussing things, luckily you will grow out of it, hopefully anyways

why aren’t you saving folks at Body For Life and Weight Watchers? those are the basic dieters that you seem would benefit most from your basic posts.

yeah, my posts generally are basic, wanna know why? because people suck at the basics. they are all caught up in the GI, insulin-to-glucagon ratio, macro and micronutrient timing etc. but ask them how many calories they’re eating and they have no clue. here’s the thing, until you get to the top 10% or so of dieters, sticking to the basics is all people need to do.

and that isn’t a hit, the basic formula is cals in vs. cals out, but… some folks here are past that

golly we’re just so advanced here aren’t we? that’s why every other post is: “what are some good bulking foods” or “in need of healthy snack ideas”

…gosh this place is so cutting edge i can hardly stand it![/quote]

quoting skills…

no… you don’t need to be top 10%

JMUC, you just don’t like folks that don’t agree with you, you can’t accept there are different ways

folks need to try and decide what works best, but you belittle and the post patronizing little tidbits of regurgitated pap

experience should not be thrown out the door

and you may not have said you know everything, but you won’t accept anyone not agreeing with what you post, you claim to be the “end all be all”

you can learn while you are here JMUC, you don’t know everything

post what you know but stop being so dogmatic

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[quote]McG78 wrote:
Not to really defend JMoUCF87, as I’m already accused of being him in my first posts ever, but the ad hominem argument by people as enlightened as MarvelGirl and OctoberGirl seems a little weak.

First, even if we are the same person, which we aren’t, attack our argument not the messenger.

Second, and similarly, pics of JMoUCF87 proves nothing for or against himself. The world’s best strength coaches aren’t the strongest, and the Mr. Olympia isn’t the best bodying building instructor.[/quote]

it wasn’t an ad hominem attack on JMUC

I also get tired of every other poster saying, "I have been a lurker for YEARS… " whatever… who cares?

If you have been lurking then you may have read JMUCs posts.

some folks need to post what they know and realize most things are opinion, they should also keep their mind open because they may learn something

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[quote]McG78 wrote:
Not to really defend JMoUCF87, as I’m already accused of being him in my first posts ever, but the ad hominem argument by people as enlightened as MarvelGirl and OctoberGirl seems a little weak.

First, even if we are the same person, which we aren’t, attack our argument not the messenger.

Second, and similarly, pics of JMoUCF87 proves nothing for or against himself. The world’s best strength coaches aren’t the strongest, and the Mr. Olympia isn’t the best bodying building instructor.[/quote]

It’s hilarious how you held a discussion with yourself.

Hilarious.

If he’s found a “better way” his physique would show it. I’m not about to take advice from a fat sack of shit sitting at his computer, so why can’t he just post a pic.

You’re so the same person, why else would you be offended that I insulted a stranger. Hell, Octobergirl’s been pretty damn nice but she hurt your wittle feelings too, huh?

Same person. No question.

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Hurry!
Sign out and sign back in so you can post a retort!

ROFLMAO

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[quote]OctoberGirl wrote:
if folks don’t agree with you it doesn’t mean they are wrong, or ignorant, or on drugs, it might mean they have been there and done that

you just never seem to have an open mind to anyone else’s input
[/quote]

having an open mind doesn’t mean “accepting every crackpot theory an internet guru spews out to fill up his monthly article quota”

having an open mind means: looking objectively at two conflicting ideas and then determining, based on careful analysis of the relevant information, which is likely to be the correct answer.

if I tell you “hey OctoberGirl, the sky is orange.” and you look outside and say that it’s blue. does that make me right in writing you off by calling you “closed minded”? of course not.

it’s those individuals who cling to the notion that 6 meals is without-a-doubt better than 3, despite a clear lack of evidence to support their stance, that are demonstrating closed minded behavior.

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[quote]JMoUCF87 wrote:
OctoberGirl wrote:
if folks don’t agree with you it doesn’t mean they are wrong, or ignorant, or on drugs, it might mean they have been there and done that

you just never seem to have an open mind to anyone else’s input

having an open mind doesn’t mean “accepting every crackpot theory an internet guru spews out to fill up his monthly article quota”

having an open mind means: looking objectively at two conflicting ideas and then determining, based on careful analysis of the relevant information, which is likely to be the correct answer.

if I tell you “hey OctoberGirl, the sky is orange.” and you look outside and say that it’s blue. does that make me right in writing you off by calling you “closed minded”? of course not.

it’s those individuals who cling to the notion that 6 meals is without-a-doubt better than 3, despite a clear lack of evidence to support their stance, that are demonstrating closed minded behavior.[/quote]

So that only applies to other internet gurus spewing crackpot theories, right? Because when you spout shit, anyone who disagrees is simply “ignorant”, right?

Because that’s what you did.

Currently, I’m suffering from a lack of evidence that you are anything but a 400 pound man who washes himself with a rag on a stick.

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[quote]OctoberGirl wrote:
McG78 wrote:
Not to really defend JMoUCF87, as I’m already accused of being him in my first posts ever, but the ad hominem argument by people as enlightened as MarvelGirl and OctoberGirl seems a little weak.

First, even if we are the same person, which we aren’t, attack our argument not the messenger.

Second, and similarly, pics of JMoUCF87 proves nothing for or against himself. The world’s best strength coaches aren’t the strongest, and the Mr. Olympia isn’t the best bodying building instructor.

it wasn’t an ad hominem attack on JMUC

I also get tired of every other poster saying, "I have been a lurker for YEARS… " whatever… who cares?

If you have been lurking then you may have read JMUCs posts.

some folks need to post what they know and realize most things are opinion, they should also keep their mind open because they may learn something

[/quote]

Not only was it an ad hominem argument (i.e., an attack on the person not the logic) but your response was also an ad hominem argument (e.g., "I also get tired of every other poster saying, “I have been a lurker . . .” and assuming I took my ideas from JMoUCF87).

Just FYI.

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[quote]JMoUCF87 wrote:
OctoberGirl wrote:
if folks don’t agree with you it doesn’t mean they are wrong, or ignorant, or on drugs, it might mean they have been there and done that

you just never seem to have an open mind to anyone else’s input

having an open mind doesn’t mean “accepting every crackpot theory an internet guru spews out to fill up his monthly article quota”

having an open mind means: looking objectively at two conflicting ideas and then determining, based on careful analysis of the relevant information, which is likely to be the correct answer.

if I tell you “hey OctoberGirl, the sky is orange.” and you look outside and say that it’s blue. does that make me right in writing you off by calling you “closed minded”? of course not.

it’s those individuals who cling to the notion that 6 meals is without-a-doubt better than 3, despite a clear lack of evidence to support their stance, that are demonstrating closed minded behavior.[/quote]

I agree with you in regards to your “sky” scenario

but I don’t agree with how you throw out good posts from folks who have reason to know.

is it that you don’t realize how you are coming across?

Fella… these are trainers and it is their business to get results for their clients. That is the paycheck, results. It might be a very good idea to consider what they say they have witnessed as a proven success.

and you come across as very close-minded. If you aren’t, you may want to take a look at some of your past posts.

I have no problems asking Jeh-Fit, laroyal, and others, what they think. They have knowledge, actual working knowledge.

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[quote]OctoberGirl wrote:
JMoUCF87 wrote:
OctoberGirl wrote:
if folks don’t agree with you it doesn’t mean they are wrong, or ignorant, or on drugs, it might mean they have been there and done that

you just never seem to have an open mind to anyone else’s input

having an open mind doesn’t mean “accepting every crackpot theory an internet guru spews out to fill up his monthly article quota”

having an open mind means: looking objectively at two conflicting ideas and then determining, based on careful analysis of the relevant information, which is likely to be the correct answer.

if I tell you “hey OctoberGirl, the sky is orange.” and you look outside and say that it’s blue. does that make me right in writing you off by calling you “closed minded”? of course not.

it’s those individuals who cling to the notion that 6 meals is without-a-doubt better than 3, despite a clear lack of evidence to support their stance, that are demonstrating closed minded behavior.

I agree with you in regards to your “sky” scenario

but I don’t agree with how you throw out good posts from folks who have reason to know.

is it that you don’t realize how you are coming across?

Fella… these are trainers and it is their business to get results for their clients. That is the paycheck, results. It might be a very good idea to consider what they say they have witnessed as a proven success.

and you come across as very close-minded. If you aren’t, you may want to take a look at some of your past posts.

I have no problems asking Jeh-Fit, laroyal, and others, what they think. They have knowledge, actual working knowledge.

[/quote]

There were also Olympic trainers who taught their athletes to do the high jump facing forward. They were paid for this, made a living at this, and they were dead wrong. A little something called the Fosbury Flop was invented that challenged the norm, and is now the standard today.

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[quote]McG78 wrote:
OctoberGirl wrote:
McG78 wrote:
Not to really defend JMoUCF87, as I’m already accused of being him in my first posts ever, but the ad hominem argument by people as enlightened as MarvelGirl and OctoberGirl seems a little weak.

First, even if we are the same person, which we aren’t, attack our argument not the messenger.

Second, and similarly, pics of JMoUCF87 proves nothing for or against himself. The world’s best strength coaches aren’t the strongest, and the Mr. Olympia isn’t the best bodying building instructor.

it wasn’t an ad hominem attack on JMUC

I also get tired of every other poster saying, "I have been a lurker for YEARS… " whatever… who cares?

If you have been lurking then you may have read JMUCs posts.

some folks need to post what they know and realize most things are opinion, they should also keep their mind open because they may learn something

Not only was it an ad hominem argument (i.e., an attack on the person not the logic) but your response was also an ad hominem argument (e.g., "I also get tired of every other poster saying, “I have been a lurker . . .” and assuming I took my ideas from JMoUCF87).

Just FYI.[/quote]

no… I was addressing him as a poster…

so… first, wasn’t an attack; second, this is a discussion; third, I was commenting on his posting; fourth, you mentioned your lurker status opening it up for comment.

not everyone on here is an idiot

but if you feel you need to hide behind a “but I was on base” kinda thing… go ahead

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[quote]McG78 wrote:
There were also Olympic trainers who taught their athletes to do the high jump facing forward. They were paid for this, made a living at this, and they were dead wrong. A little something called the Fosbury Flop was invented that challenged the norm, and is now the standard today.[/quote]

yah?

so keeping an open mind is probably a good thing.

fella … what are you trying to say here?